The passing game has almost disappeared

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not ready to give Daniels anything yet. as Parcells used to say put the annointing oil away.
I do like Goff, in fact I was hoping for us to trade up to draft him, but we ended up with Zeke!!!! go figure.

Love hasn't accomplished anything yet. one year and he is 1-1 in playoffs, but he hadn't had a chance neither behind rodgers. so again put the annointing oil away.
I like Burrow, but not sure what's going on with Cinci. I thought he was elite before he came out. he was consensus #1 pick.
Allen is an enigma. cannon for an arm, yet he has failed, except for that covid season. since then he is 3-3 and can't get over the hump....not sure what's with him

and I do like all of those guys.

but then there is Lawrence, Herbert, Young, Levis, Richardson, Pickett, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones, Murray, Jones, Haskins, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen

not saying, the list you have is a bad group. but they all need a strong team around them and without it they all have struggled, except for Mahomes.
But they all play each other tough. Dak tries to play with the big boys and he crumbles. You put Murray, Lawrence or Herbert on the Cowboys and they are much better team than with Dak. Than you have something to work with and build on.
 

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The pass game is clearly worse with Rush than with Dak….duh. That’s why you have a starter and a backup, no surprise there.
BUT….the passing game was worse with Dak as well.
  1. Dak was forcing throws and making some bad decisions.
  2. Why so bad compared to last season? No Cooks and no Pollard and much worse pass blocking, along with no run game.
Cooks is nothing special, but he is head and shoulders above Tolbert and Brooks. We have no speed or quick twitch at WR. Therefore no separation. Teams can bracket Lamb and have no worries about anyone else making a big play, not even in man coverage. Tolbert and Brooks should both be #4 or #5, bottom of the corps players. They both stink and do not offer anything to make it worth scheming them open. Besides, as we’ve seen with Lamb, you can’t scheme a guy open play after play.

Pollard was a threat which made defenses respect the run even when we weren’t blocking well. That held LBs and got the attention of safeties in play action because he could take it all the way if he reached the second level. He was also a real threat as an outlet receiver; that and Cooks created room for Ferguson. Sadly, Ferguson offers more YAC than any current receiver not named Lamb. Tolbert is a #2 right now, but I’ve seen enough to know he shouldn’t even be on the team. He has less value than Noah Brown had. Why? Because Brown was also a wr with no speed or separation, but he blocked his tail off. Our WRs can’t get open and they cannot block….pathetic. Add to that the OL struggling with lack of experience, lack of continuity, and in some cases with injury, and our offensive plays are mostly for quick throws to guys who can’t back a CB off, can’t win a slant route, never produce any Yac, and on the screens, can’t or won’t block for each other.

Bring back Dak or Romo on a good year, and I still see no way this team could even finish near .500. It’s Lamb or nothing. Impossible.
 

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But they all play each other tough. Dak tries to play with the big boys and he crumbles. You put Murray, Lawrence or Herbert on the Cowboys and they are much better team than with Dak. Than you have something to work with and build on.
well, here is the thing. Dak can play against top 5 philly defense. but Hurts plays against #32 defense. its not like they are playing against each other really.

and I don't think Lawrence is going to be much better than Dak. I just don't think he is that good. Everyone loves Herbert, so Dak beating herbert, does that count (going back to your first statemennt)....

Murray is just not that good. sorry, he is a middling QB, perhaps worse than Dak.

of the three Herbert is good enough to build on.
 

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I keep posting this. But Dak had two games where we were into the 3rd quarter with only 6 points on the board. Rush had one today. Why would we expect Dak to outperform himself compared to those two games, today, against a better opponent than he face on those other days? He might of put more yards up if Philly went into prevent but in all likelihood, there is no evidence that Dak wouldn't have been humiliated just as badly today.
Come on!! Dak has never ever looked as bad as Rush was yesterday. Stop it!! Your post is twisting yourself in a knot trying to defend Rush's performance. What a joke.
 

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Come on!! Dak has never ever looked as bad as Rush was yesterday. Stop it!! Your post is twisting yourself in a knot trying to defend Rush's performance. What a joke.
Again, Dak had two games this season where he was into the 3rd quarter and only had 6 points on the board. Add onto that, that Dak has been very slow in the backfield just taking sacks when there was time to do something. I'm not quite convinced he would've had more than 6 points in the 3rd quarter against the Eagles as well. Someone actually said something about Dak covering things up *this season* with his talent, and I am calling bull.
 

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Daks continuos failing
Revisionist history. I know Facts are not your strong suite but runner-up MVP happened.
and Cooper Rush flat out sucking are not mutually exclusive.....
Cooper Rush is continuous failure....5-2 in 8 year span. Failed to EARN a starting Job and 32 GMs DID NOT think Cooper Rush is worth a starting contract No matter the events.
and you can throw in Lance sucking too.
Only Dak Haters touted less than 1000 passes from Trey Lance in Training Camp
All 3 can get to steppin
Dak Haters Mission Accomplished :laugh: :lmao2:
 

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MM and his play calling abilities are very concerning. He calls all these gimmick plays that get slammed almost every time he calls them and the little flare passes NEVER work! MM has become a liability and for what ever reason JJ refuses to address the issues. This team has completely quit on MM and JJ!
 

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Our entire offense from blocking to passing is outdated.
If Mike stays we'll be 4-13
Maybe that's where we need to be.
 

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well, here is the thing. Dak can play against top 5 philly defense. but Hurts plays against #32 defense. its not like they are playing against each other really.

and I don't think Lawrence is going to be much better than Dak. I just don't think he is that good. Everyone loves Herbert, so Dak beating herbert, does that count (going back to your first statemennt)....

Murray is just not that good. sorry, he is a middling QB, perhaps worse than Dak.

of the three Herbert is good enough to build on.
There's a slight obsession (from all) about grading QB's. It doesnt matter who is better than whom, it's whether you can build an offense around the talents of the QB. For instance your comment about Murray v Dak (who's worse??) doesnt matter, Arizona base their offense around his mobility (which restricts Defenses from sitting in coverage). This is where Dak comes up short, he just doesnt have a go to strength.....maybe controlling a lead, but that's determined on a full team effort.
 

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well, here is the thing. Dak can play against top 5 philly defense. but Hurts plays against #32 defense. its not like they are playing against each other really.

and I don't think Lawrence is going to be much better than Dak. I just don't think he is that good. Everyone loves Herbert, so Dak beating herbert, does that count (going back to your first statemennt)....

Murray is just not that good. sorry, he is a middling QB, perhaps worse than Dak.

of the three Herbert is good enough to build on.
Wrong! We've seen Dak when the defense does show up and it's been an ugly 3 FGs. Remember all those measuring stick games that nobody likes to talk about. Denver, AZ, KC. How about when Wentz beat Dallas in a win and your in game and he had WRs off the street. Dak is garbage.
I use to think Dak and Cousins were about the same. It's looking more like Jacoby Brissett and Dak are comparable. Guarantee the locker room is divided over Dak. Half the team knows he is stealing money from their own pockets. Over half the country is laughing at Dallas for paying that clown.
 

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I hope they don’t let you in the draft room. You’re a stat guy who appreciates a QB who racks up the stats and W’s against dregs and chokes against the best teams religiously and loves to pad the stats come garbage time. You are a apostle of the church of Dak apologists, top QBs are difference makers not anchors weighting down the team, don’t worry,
-the sacred creed of the church -
He will get better
He’ll be in the best shape of his life
He loves the game plan
He loves the new offense
Poor some honey on him
He’s right at the rim
He knows what he’s capable of
He’s helping the brotherhood
I’m all about the SB
The OL sucks
The WRs suck
The RBs suck
The D sucks
The coaches suck
And the best of all leader he is
This team Fn sucks
Yep top QB, you’re right maybe in the UFL
Has nothing to do with appreciation of statistics. It has to do with the meaning of them. So if the quarterback doesn’t win, he sucks. Doesn’t care that the team behind him sucks too.
 

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Wrong! We've seen Dak when the defense does show up and it's been an ugly 3 FGs. Remember all those measuring stick games that nobody likes to talk about. Denver, AZ, KC. How about when Wentz beat Dallas in a win and your in game and he had WRs off the street. Dak is garbage.
I use to think Dak and Cousins were about the same. It's looking more like Jacoby Brissett and Dak are comparable. Guarantee the locker room is divided over Dak. Half the team knows he is stealing money from their own pockets. Over half the country is laughing at Dallas for paying that clown.
Talk about a misinformed post :laugh:
This is just out there.
 

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Has nothing to do with appreciation of statistics. It has to do with the meaning of them. So if the quarterback doesn’t win, he sucks. Doesn’t care that the team behind him sucks too.
8 1/2 years of hollow stats good teams bad teams, results the same. There’s no magic that fixes the flaws of his game.
 

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Wrong! We've seen Dak when the defense does show up and it's been an ugly 3 FGs. Remember all those measuring stick games that nobody likes to talk about. Denver, AZ, KC. How about when Wentz beat Dallas in a win and your in game and he had WRs off the street. Dak is garbage.
I use to think Dak and Cousins were about the same. It's looking more like Jacoby Brissett and Dak are comparable. Guarantee the locker room is divided over Dak. Half the team knows he is stealing money from their own pockets. Over half the country is laughing at Dallas for paying that clown.
never said he hasn't had bad games against good defenses. but there has been games against good defenses and good teams that he has been very good to great. there is just not enough of those and I think every one agrees on that.

and you are entitled to your opinion, but anyone in NFL who has been top 5 passing past several years is not garbage. you may want to see heroics each week like Mahomes but that's not reality of NFL. its perception of fans like yourself who live on the very edge of extreme opinions. I would venture to say compare it to other QBs and its not garbage, unless you think 4/5 of NFL QBs are garbage.

and looks more and more like you are trolling with those last statements. btw, you have no idea how the locker room feels and you probably reached really far and up behind you to pull that one out. you have no access, don't know anyone who has access to the locker room or knows the players.

done with child like non-sense!!!
 

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There's a slight obsession (from all) about grading QB's. It doesnt matter who is better than whom, it's whether you can build an offense around the talents of the QB. For instance your comment about Murray v Dak (who's worse??) doesnt matter, Arizona base their offense around his mobility (which restricts Defenses from sitting in coverage). This is where Dak comes up short, he just doesnt have a go to strength.....maybe controlling a lead, but that's determined on a full team effort.
I think your assessment is a bit extreme, but I get your point. btw, I am not a big fan of any running QB. the QBs job is to sit in the pocker and pass the ball. scrambling and running is 4th on the list of abilities to just sprinkle a little something for defenses, but if its the mainstay of your abilities as a QB, you have not seen one QB who has succeeded, including Jackson, who is best of the best of them and he is 2-4 in the playoffs.

and Murray is not a very good QB, I just don't have a high opinion of him. his record against good teams as often people use that as a measure of a QB is down right awful.
 

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I think your assessment is a bit extreme, but I get your point. btw, I am not a big fan of any running QB. the QBs job is to sit in the pocker and pass the ball. scrambling and running is 4th on the list of abilities to just sprinkle a little something for defenses, but if its the mainstay of your abilities as a QB, you have not seen one QB who has succeeded, including Jackson, who is best of the best of them and he is 2-4 in the playoffs.

and Murray is not a very good QB, I just don't have a high opinion of him. his record against good teams as often people use that as a measure of a QB is down right awful.
But all of what you've said could be levelled at Dak. Indeed, a central part of his game was based not only on Zeke and an outstanding O-line, but his mobility....where he had to be covered.
He no longer has that mobility and so needs pretty much everything to go his way (unlike Jackson, who can change a game on his own).
Again, it's a point of you picking off individual QB's which does nothing to justify Dak.
 

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never said he hasn't had bad games against good defenses. but there has been games against good defenses and good teams that he has been very good to great. there is just not enough of those and I think every one agrees on that.
He's downright awful in most close games.

....and if there's not enough 'great' games, what does now paying him 20% of the CAP achieve?
 
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