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[Dave_in-NC]

Because whether or not he's a "media presence" is more important than his and the team's performance, right?

Oh look! Surprise.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ok, you snowed in and still having NY drinks.
I wasn't even talking stats, I was talking about how owens was treated by Parcells compared to Phillips.

If Parcells was still here owens either wouldn't be or he wouldn't be a media presence. What does that have to do with stats? Patrone?

I would love to have a REAL TIME roundtable discussion with some of the Zoners on here. I think it would be fun.

It would have to be a no spin (cowboys) zone though



If BP was smart he would have put it on Owens and said... here it is... SHOW US... SHOW Me... Show the fans.

Instead he played games. I truly think that BP was torn(ie. he played with TO on sidelines and grabbed his cap and patted him on face/cheek) on how to deal with TO... let him get his and help the team or SHOW TO that its not about him.


Me - I would have chosen... here it is TO.... bring us home baby!!

 

[Idgit]

I would love to have a REAL TIME roundtable discussion with some of the Zoners on here. I think it would be fun.

It would have to be a no spin (cowboys) zone though



If BP was smart he would have put it on Owens and said... here it is... SHOW US... SHOW Me... Show the fans.

Instead he played games. I truly think that BP was torn(ie. he played with TO on sidelines and grabbed his cap and patted him on face/cheek) on how to deal with TO... let him get his and help the team or SHOW TO that its not about him.


Me - I would have chosen... here it is TO.... bring us home baby!!

YoMick, have we thanked you for updating your sig yet?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I would love to have a REAL TIME roundtable discussion with some of the Zoners on here. I think it would be fun.

It would have to be a no spin (cowboys) zone though



If BP was smart he would have put it on Owens and said... here it is... SHOW US... SHOW Me... Show the fans.

Instead he played games. I truly think that BP was torn(ie. he played with TO on sidelines and grabbed his cap and patted him on face/cheek) on how to deal with TO... let him get his and help the team or SHOW TO that its not about him.

Me - I would have chosen... here it is TO.... bring us home baby!!

Old school coach, dealing with a self hyped player.
Yeah, Parcells delt with a few nuts, but he picked those Nuts right off the tree.
Parcells was trying to build a team in his image and owens just wasn't that image. None of it matters now though. I just don't think the two would have lasted long at all. Phillips isn't even going to try and shut owens up, he couldn't. They both know that.

 

[Rampage]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

T.O. will never win a superbowl. I thought BP handled it the best way for the team. he put himself before the team when it came to Owens and his ego. the players were barely answering questions about T.O. and Parcells cause he rarely let them talk to the media. the only person who had to answer those questions was Parcells himself. he was trying to help his team not go through exactly what they went through this season. I've seen locker room interviews from this year where players just got up and walked away cause there were no questions about the game, just questions about T.O. and the crap he started.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

YoMick, have we thanked you for updating your sig yet?

Ah.... just looking at my sig makes me think of two of her movies

Old school coach, dealing with a self hyped player.
Yeah, Parcells delt with a few nuts, but he picked those Nuts right off the tree.
Parcells was trying to build a team in his image and owens just wasn't that image. None of it matters now though. I just don't think the two would have lasted long at all. Phillips isn't even going to try and shut owens up, he couldn't. They both know that.

Just "self hyped"?? lol
No backing it up? ever?


Parcell's went and brought in Brian Cox(real dirtbag) w/ Jets?... asked him to do something and got it. He should have done that with TO.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Ah.... just looking at my sig makes me think of two of her movies






Just "self hyped"?? lol
No backing it up? ever?


Parcell's went and brought in Brian Cox(real dirtbag) w/ Jets?... asked him to do something and got it. He should have done that with TO.

You drinkin and playing twister?

Self hyped as in he loves him all him.
Cox was bad but not nearly as in love with himself.

 

[JordanTaber]

By the way, I find it funny that people are saying Parcells handled it well/Owens was on his best behavior in 2006 when, other than his 2005 season with the Eagles, that was by far the most media attention and criticism he ever received in his career for one season.

So while Parcells did a good job and Owens was on his best behavior (according to the T.O. Police), the media ripped Owens more that year than any other season (aside from 2005, and, quite frankly, it was pretty close).

Doesn't that kind of prove that Owens doesn't really have much control over how much media scrutiny he gets?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

By the way, I find it funny that people are saying Parcells handled it well/Owens was on his best behavior in 2006 when, other than his 2005 season with the Eagles, that was by far the most media attention and criticism he ever received in his career for one season.

So while Parcells did a good job and Owens was on his best behavior (according to the T.O. Police), the media ripped Owens more that year than any other season (aside from 2005, and, quite frankly, it was pretty close).

Doesn't that kind of prove that Owens doesn't really have much control over how much media scrutiny he gets?

yawn and stretch

 

[Rampage]

By the way, I find it funny that people are saying Parcells handled it well/Owens was on his best behavior in 2006 when, other than his 2005 season with the Eagles, that was by far the most media attention and criticism he ever received in his career for one season.

So while Parcells did a good job and Owens was on his best behavior (according to the T.O. Police), the media ripped Owens more that year than any other season (aside from 2005, and, quite frankly, it was pretty close).

Doesn't that kind of prove that Owens doesn't really have much control over how much media scrutiny he gets?

he brung it on himself. back when he was a 49er he was a good wr but wasn't getting the credit/attention he thought he deserved. than he started with the crazy td celebrations and talking to the media all the time. he used the media to get famous and now it didn't turn out the way he thought it would. it's his own fault for how the media treats him and whatever team he plays for.

 

[JordanTaber]

he brung it on himself. back when he was a 49er he was a good wr but wasn't getting the credit/attention he thought he deserved. than he started with the crazy td celebrations and talking to the media all the time. he used the media to get famous and now it didn't turn out the way he thought it would. it's his own fault for how the media treats him and whatever team he plays for.

Yeah, so he did an over-the-top celebration 8 years ago when he went to the star (which is when he was essentially "sunk" image-wise and cast as the biggest villain in all of sports).

He's to blame for people never forgiving him after all these years?

That's like blaming the rape victim because she wore skimpy clothing. T.O. paid enough by being constantly bashed for years after it happened. Isn't it time to get over this BS?

At some point, it's the media's fault for making mountains out of molehills and acting like the man is unredeemable because of this nonsense...all-the-while being unbelievably hypocritical and constantly presenting a double standard.

Clinton Portis flat-out tore Jim Zorn a new one in the press and that was a story for all of, what, a day?

And it didn't get anywhere near 30 minutes of Sportscenter.

 

[erich1r]

It's funny how some of you want T.O. gone but when he catches a pass or scores a td you cheer for him. When things are bad or he speakes his mind you blame him for the teams problems. Theres 53 other players and coaches on a team. he's not the only one playing . If the line does not block is it his fault. If the run game is not working is it his fault. All the dumb penalties is it his fault. If it were any of us me included was trying to do a job and my teamates or coworkers were screwing up we would be pissed to. We all know there are others on this team that's more of a problem than T.O.

 

[AtomicDog]

When you look back, now, at how Parcells handled TO, so much of it makes more sense. I have to admit that at the time some of it aggravated me. I thought he baited TO, I thought that maybe even you could have put it into the category of being plain mean spirited. But in retrospect, what was Parcells saying when he wouldn't refer to Owens by name?

*The player:

1. ONE player, a nameless player, not the whole team
2. A player, not a star
3. A player, not a coach
4. A player, not a media personality, not the spokesman for the team

I don't know everything that Parcells was saying, but he may have not only been protecting his team in treating Owens that way, he may have been trying to save TO from himself.

I still believe that TO out HEARTS most of his teammates. Just look at how he ran when he caught that throwback pass from Witten.

But I also believe, just as a distant observer, that he is probably a guy who divides locker rooms even to this day. I want to believe that he has changed from his SF and Philly days, but when I hear defensive players coming to his side, and then I watch what happened with the "coward", whoever that turns out to have been, it says he still carries an influence on a team, and all of it isn't good.

Gee, wow another TO thread.

No problem with the posting. I am having trouble giving a darn about this version of the Cowboys.

 

[rcaldw]

Gee, wow another TO thread.

No problem with the posting. I am having trouble giving a darn about this version of the Cowboys.

The posting wasn't really about TO, and if you notice my sig you will see that I actually LIKE TO. I do think, however, that he has a divisive presence about him, and I think it takes a certain kind of coach to "manage" him. What I was really getting at was the psychology of Bill Parcells. And not really to any end either, it was just interesting to me as I reflected on that whole "player" emphasis that we had for awhile.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm a fan of T.O. the player but not so much T.O. the guy... I'm starting to wish more and more that Jerry never signed him.