The Player

[rcaldw]

When you look back, now, at how Parcells handled TO, so much of it makes more sense. I have to admit that at the time some of it aggravated me. I thought he baited TO, I thought that maybe even you could have put it into the category of being plain mean spirited. But in retrospect, what was Parcells saying when he wouldn't refer to Owens by name?

*The player:

1. ONE player, a nameless player, not the whole team
2. A player, not a star
3. A player, not a coach
4. A player, not a media personality, not the spokesman for the team

I don't know everything that Parcells was saying, but he may have not only been protecting his team in treating Owens that way, he may have been trying to save TO from himself.

I still believe that TO out HEARTS most of his teammates. Just look at how he ran when he caught that throwback pass from Witten.

But I also believe, just as a distant observer, that he is probably a guy who divides locker rooms even to this day. I want to believe that he has changed from his SF and Philly days, but when I hear defensive players coming to his side, and then I watch what happened with the "coward", whoever that turns out to have been, it says he still carries an influence on a team, and all of it isn't good.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I felt Bill Parcells handled Terrell Owens perfectly and Terrell Owens didn't seem to have a problem with it.

I say this because the only time you heard Terrell Owens throw criticism towards Bill Parcells' way was when Mike Vanderjact was cut and of course when Bill Parcells left, Terrell Owens publicly stated that he felt that there needed to be a change.

One problem you didn't have with Bill Parcells is that you knew he was in control of the players and that alot of the players respected him. They may have not liked him but I believe most of them respected him, especially the younger ones and/or the ones he drafted.

 

[THUMPER]

No one on the Cowboys should have had to "handle" Owens at all because he should never have been signed by us in the first freakin place! Stupid Jerry!
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[Doomsday101]

I felt Bill Parcells handled Terrell Owens perfectly and Terrell Owens didn't seem to have a problem with it.

I say this because the only time you heard Terrell Owens throw criticism towards Bill Parcells' way was when Mike Vanderjact was cut and of course when Bill Parcells left, Terrell Owens publicly stated that he felt that there needed to be a change.

One problem you didn't have with Bill Parcells is that you knew he was in control of the players and that alot of the players respected him. They may have not liked him but I believe most of them respected him, especially the younger ones and/or the ones he drafted.

TO had problems when he had the accidental overdose and BP did not even check on him to see if he was ok. I like BP but TO and BP were not going to co-exist much longer. I think the biggest downside with BP is the fact he is at a stage in his life where he can’t seem to commit for very long with any organization.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

TO had problems when he had the accidental overdose and BP did not even check on him to see if he was ok. I like BP but TO and BP were not going to co-exist much longer. I think the biggest downside with BP is the fact he is at a stage in his life where he can’t seem to commit for very long with any organization.

Yep and the woman he was engaged too didn't bother to see how he was doing either.

On the radio show in Atlanta Terrell Owens did every Friday a few years ago, he voiced concern about his fiancee not calling him but I never heard anything about him being concerend about Bill Parcells not calling him.

Also, why do people have this false notion that Bill Parcells is at a stage in his life where he can't committ to an organization too long.

Giants - 8 Seasons
Patriots - 4 Seasons
Jets - 3 Seasons
Cowboys - 4 Seasons

Historically, Bill Parcells never stuck around for more than 4 Seasons.

Terrell Owens and Bill Parcells not getting along was not a big issue to me.

 

[odog422]

No one on the Cowboys should have had to "handle" Owens at all because he should never have been signed by us in the first freakin place! Stupid Jerry!
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But we all know Jerry doesn't believe in the concept of team chemistry and that he operates from the platform of the more stars you have the better.

He convinced himself he could get Owens on the "cheap" so to speak, and that it would only make the team better.

And my response to this is the same it was at the time of the signing: those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The debate can rage ad infinitum about what percentage of this fractured team is attributable to Owens. What cannot be debated is that where he has gone, eventually this has always occurred.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep and the woman he was engaged too didn't bother to see how he was doing either.

On the radio show in Atlanta Terrell Owens did every Friday a few years ago, he voiced concern about his fiancee not calling him but I never heard anything about him being concerend about Bill Parcells not calling him.

Also, why do people have this false notion that Bill Parcells is at a stage in his life where he can't committ to an organization too long.

Giants - 8 Seasons
Patriots - 4 Seasons
Jets - 3 Seasons
Cowboys - 4 Seasons

Historically, Bill Parcells never stuck around for more than 4 Seasons.

Terrell Owens and Bill Parcells not getting along was not a big issue to me.

Key word the woman he "was" engaged to as far as you not hearing it well I can't help that but TO was miffed that BP did not even bother to call him to see how he was. No big deal he got over and BP did not care. As for BP longitivity I think he has hacked off some organization because he has left them hanging at critical junctions. Lastly as far as TO and BP getting along I agree no big deal, hell Coach Landry did not visit Meredith when he was taken to the hospital in Washington after suffering an injury in the skins game that year. Meredith was a bit peeved at least enough to talk about it but he survived as did Landry.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Key word the woman he "was" engaged to as far as you not hearing it well I can't help that but TO was miffed that BP did not even bother to call him to see how he was. No big deal he got over and BP did not care. As for BP longitivity I think he has hacked off some organization because he has left them hanging at critical junctions. Lastly as far as TO and BP getting along I agree no big deal, hell Coach Landry did not visit Meredith when he was taken to the hospital in Washington after suffering an injury in the skins game that year. Meredith was a bit peeved at least enough to talk about it but he survived as did Landry.

Bill Parcells has stated that everytime he leaves an organization he has players that criticize him.

Bill Parcells understands that he is not at any organization to make friends.

I would have loved to see what Bill Parcells could've done with a full year with Tony Romo.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

You mean like we have done the last 2 Seasons?

 

[Doomsday101]

Bill Parcells has stated that everytime he leaves an organization he has players that criticize him.

Bill Parcells understands that he is not at any organization to make friends.

I would have loved to see what Bill Parcells could've done with a full year with Tony Romo.

Except for many of the Giants players. While agree he is not at any location to make friends he tends to become a bit of a celebrity in his own rights drawing the spot light on himself. As for him and Romo I'm sure Romo could have learned more from BP however I don't think Romo has stopped learning or thinks he is a finished product.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You mean like we have done the last 2 Seasons?

We really havent... he has produced in spite of our poor coaching and playcalling.


TO could have put up 20 TD's and 1500+ yards in each of his seasons here if Tony could hit him in stride on a slant(Tony has a few times and TO has scored)

OR

IF Tony could get him the deep ball. Tony either comes up short or overthrows.


Defenses would have nighmares if we created mismatches for TO. THEN Witten would be set free. Barber would accel out of the backfield. RW could catch balls... etc... etc...etc....

 

[Maikeru-sama]

We really havent... he has produced in spite of our poor coaching and playcalling.


TO could have put up 20 TD's and 1500+ yards in each of his seasons here if Tony could hit him in stride on a slant(Tony has a few times and TO has scored)

OR

IF Tony could get him the deep ball. Tony either comes up short or overthrows.


Defenses would have nighmares if we created mismatches for TO. THEN Witten would be set free. Barber would accel out of the backfield. RW could catch balls... etc... etc...etc....

Poor playcalling is indeed a major problem.

However, it is a bit disengenous to believe that Terrell Owens isn't the focus of the Cowboys Offense.

Also, as a team, you always want to be balanced on Offense. The Cowboys don't have to ride Terrell Owens because we have several other guys that can make plays.

 

[jimmy40]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

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[LittleBoyBlue]

Poor playcalling is indeed a major problem.

However, it is a bit disengenous to believe that Terrell Owens isn't the focus of the Cowboys Offense.

Also, as a team, you always want to be balanced on Offense. The Cowboys don't have to ride Terrell Owens because we have several other guys that can make plays.

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While the "attempt" at making him the focus is there.... I wouldnt call throwing into double/triple coverage an effective "focus".

Where are the "created" mismatches?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

While the "attempt" at making him the focus is there.... I wouldnt call throwing into double/triple coverage an effective "focus".

Where are the "created" mismatches?

We agree here.

The Playcalling is stale and very predictable.

However, my contention is that Terrell Owens is very much apart of this offense.

The fact that they have tried to get him the ball is probably what has kept him from blowing up.

Now, how they are use him is a bit clumsy and needs to be evaluated.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We agree here.

The Playcalling is stale and very predictable.

However, my contention is that Terrell Owens is very much apart of this offense.

The fact that they have tried to get him the ball is probably what has kept him from blowing up.

Now, how they are use him is a bit clumsy and needs to be evaluated.

The fact that we agree and then you contend that he is part of the offense is conflicting. Admittedly by both of us that they use him wrong so it makes the former more correct than the latter.

Its just wrong and then need to fix it. We are wasting years, talent and opportunities.

 

[wileedog]

While the "attempt" at making him the focus is there.... I wouldnt call throwing into double/triple coverage an effective "focus".

Where are the "created" mismatches?

Its kinda hard to create 'mismatches' when the other team comes in knowing they are going to double cover the guy no matter what. That's why Witten gets as many catches as he does. That's why TO whined until Jerry bought him a new toy - a credible WR on the other side.

I agree the play calling could be much better, but despite what he will tell you we threw to TO more than anyone else on the team. Not much more you can do when everyone in the entire stadium knows you are trying to feed him the ball if for no other reason than to shut him up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think there was any grand plan behind Parcells' "The player" talk other than telling the world he didn't really like the guy. It certainly wasn't to help Owens in any way.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Its kinda hard to create 'mismatches' when the other team comes in knowing they are going to double cover the guy no matter what. That's why Witten gets as many catches as he does. That's why TO whined until Jerry bought him a new toy - a credible WR on the other side.

I agree the play calling could be much better, but despite what he will tell you we threw to TO more than anyone else on the team. Not much more you can do when everyone in the entire stadium knows you are trying to feed him the ball if for no other reason than to shut him up.

Terrell Owens is the primary focus of the Offense.

Not sure how anyone can dispute this.

Now how they go about making him a focal point is another issue entirely, but there is no doubt that he is a focal point of the offense.

After the Washington loss, he complained about the lack of balls but in that game, he was thrown too the most times than any other game as a Cowboy.