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Saw this list on X...
  • Micah Parsons. Torn ACL.
  • Patrick Mahomes. Torn ACL.
  • Nick Bosa. Torn ACL.
  • Malik Nabers. Torn ACL.
  • Tyreek Hill. Torn ACL.
  • Tucker Kraft. Torn ACL.
  • Zach Ertz. Torn ACL.
  • Marshon Lattimore. Torn ACL.
  • Najee Harris. Torn Achilles.
  • Daniel Jones. Torn Achilles.
Is it just me that doesn't remember the crazy amount of these types of injuries when most surfaces were grass?

Serious question... I am not sure if it is me not remembering this many injuries, or if it was the fact that back in the 70s, 80s, the injuries were career ending. So you just never really heard things like torn ACL. You just heard about a knee injury.
 
It's a case of I got the money and i'm guaranteed to have this big azz check in my account every game whether I play or not


Someone should track how many ACL injuries are BEFORE players are eligible for their 1st big contract, then track how many get hurt AFTER getting the big payday
 
Off the top of my head.

Parsons got his on grass.
Same with Mahomes
Hill was due to a tackle that twisted his leg, on grass
Ertz knee got FUBARD in the air.
Daniel Jones tore his Achillies on a non contact play on grass, while throwing the ball.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
It's a case of I got the money and i'm guaranteed to have this big azz check in my account every game whether I play or not


Someone should track how many ACL injuries are BEFORE players are eligible for their 1st big contract, then track how many get hurt AFTER getting the big payday
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coog, not busting on you but I dont see the correlation

If you were the student and I was the teacher, if this was your answer on a test...at the top of the paper in red ink I would write

See me!
 
I'm guessing it has more to do with the fact today's athletes are in much better shape than they were decades ago.

Their training is more intense, muscles more defined and they tend to be stronger, faster and leaner than they were back then.

I've often wondered if the correlation between higher muscle development is what is making player's more susceptible to ligament (ACL, LCL, MCL, etc.) tears and other related injuries and that is why we are seeing an increase.

I agree, growing up you rarely heard about year long injuries of any kind. Even before the widepread use of ACL/LCL/MCL references, knee injuries always seemed week-to-week for most players.

Some of that may have been lack of understanding of the severity or the fact players could play with torn ligaments if they could handle the pain because losing a step back then was not as imperative as it is now in professional sports, but overall I just don't remember seeing many long term injuries.
 
Players and modern training techniques are making players too big, strong and fast. Quicker than their ligaments can evolve to handle it.

That’s my theory.

Let’s be real. A guy like parsons. A body that big is not meant to be running that fast.
 
Reality said:
I'm guessing it has more to do with the fact today's athletes are in much better shape than they were decades ago.

Their training is more intense, muscles more defined and they tend to be stronger, faster and leaner than they were back then.

I've often wondered if the correlation between higher muscle development is what is making player's more susceptible to ligament (ACL, LCL, MCL, etc.) tears and other related injuries and that is why we are seeing an increase.

I agree, growing up you rarely heard about year long injuries of any kind. Even before the widepread use of ACL/LCL/MCL references, knee injuries always seemed week-to-week for most players.

Some of that may have been lack of understanding of the severity or the fact players could play with torn ligaments if they could handle the pain because losing a step back then was not as imperative as it is now in professional sports, but overall I just don't remember seeing many long term injuries.
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I like this. Faster game, more thrashing, hard cuts, and tearing.

In the 70's going under the needle before or during the game was a big thing, not sure how prevalent it is these days. Remember North Dallas Forty? With that, I'm sure many players played with ripped body parts only to become cripples later. Just look at Jim Otto.

As for sports turf vs grass, I have to believe grass is the better surface long term.
 
dupree89 said:
coog, not busting on you but I dont see the correlation

If you were the student and I was the teacher, if this was your answer on a test...at the top of the paper in red ink I would write

See me!
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oh
 
Coogiguy03 said:
It's a case of I got the money and i'm guaranteed to have this big azz check in my account every game whether I play or not


Someone should track how many ACL injuries are BEFORE players are eligible for their 1st big contract, then track how many get hurt AFTER getting the big payday
Click to expand...
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HungryLion said:
Players and modern training techniques are making players too big, strong and fast. Quicker than their ligaments can evolve to handle it.

That’s my theory.

Let’s be real. A guy like parsons. A body that big is not meant to be running that fast.
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And for every person who can be naturally that big, Tyron Smith comes to mind, there's just a lot of players that really have to train a lot to keep the weight/strength/speed etc. Never seen a "lean" 6'7 310 OL before like him
Even Tyron broke down.

Bob Hayes was truly a fast person, but these days athletes are all becoming fast via better training and really being on the edge of their bodies limits.

There shouldn't be too many "lean" 240lb LBs out there running 4.5's cutting on a dime. But they are in college and the NFL.
Fans and teams wanted bigger, faster, stronger and I think we are close to that "breaking point" where some peoples bodies just can't handle being NFL sized/speed without major injuries like an ACL occurring.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
It's a case of I got the money and i'm guaranteed to have this big azz check in my account every game whether I play or not


Someone should track how many ACL injuries are BEFORE players are eligible for their 1st big contract, then track how many get hurt AFTER getting the big payday
Click to expand...
You're implying they let themselves get hurt or neglect to prepare their bodies because they got paid?
 
zerofill said:
Saw this list on X...
  • Micah Parsons. Torn ACL.
  • Patrick Mahomes. Torn ACL.
  • Nick Bosa. Torn ACL.
  • Malik Nabers. Torn ACL.
  • Tyreek Hill. Torn ACL.
  • Tucker Kraft. Torn ACL.
  • Zach Ertz. Torn ACL.
  • Marshon Lattimore. Torn ACL.
  • Najee Harris. Torn Achilles.
  • Daniel Jones. Torn Achilles.
Is it just me that doesn't remember the crazy amount of these types of injuries when most surfaces were grass?

Serious question... I am not sure if it is me not remembering this many injuries, or if it was the fact that back in the 70s, 80s, the injuries were career ending. So you just never really heard things like torn ACL. You just heard about a knee injury.
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Honestly wouldn't be suprised if there are more injuries now than back in the 70s and 80s.

These athletes are much more muscle bound and no matter how big you make those muscles the ligaments and tendons will still be weak points. Those weak points are under more stress now than ever, carrying around giants.

Im also not ruling out the playing fields either.
 
John813 said:
Off the top of my head.

Parsons got his on grass.
Same with Mahomes
Hill was due to a tackle that twisted his leg, on grass
Ertz knee got FUBARD in the air.
Daniel Jones tore his Achillies on a non contact play on grass, while throwing the ball.
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You got nothing.
 
CWR said:
You're implying they let themselves get hurt or neglect to prepare their bodies because they got paid?
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Not saying that at all, just saying that it's better if they got injured after they got their big money. You hardly see it happen when they're trying to earn the big deal, you can't get a big deal if you're always hurt. They get the money and somehow they seem to get hurt at a higher rate
 
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