The problem isn't the X's and O's, it's the Jimmys and Joes

[Rayman70]

The Problem is Dallas isnt X's and O's it's Jimmy's and Joe's ... you can have all the offensive innovation in the world but if you dont have the players to execute then what is it? Mike McCarthy has done more with less consistently than any NFL coach .. he's that smart kid that just does dumb sht from time to time





He's absolutely right.

Of course you also have to add in the environment coaches have to coach in Dallas. An open door for the players to the owner, no authority to determine who plays and who sits and no command of your own coaching meetings or the locker room.

But his premise that it's the player not the coaches? Yes

And fans are stupid? Yes

Enter one Trevon Diggs to make J.Tucks points. The Deez nuts thing happened with the reporter might be more symptomatic than an isolated thing. Players that make business decisions over football decisions on the field. McCarthy is far from the lone issue in Dallas.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Gruden literally spends every day diving into modern offenses. I was at a clinic with Sean McVay speaking and he took a phone call. He told us afterwards it was Gruden asking him about some concepts McVay used last year. McVay then showed us the exact plays Gruden was talking about. He said no one had caught onto it what he was trying to do until Gruden just did.

Gruden is what McCarthy pretends to be.

No one caught on or no one was able to stop it and/or replicate it? Not saying your story isn't true, but I highly doubt McVay has some super secret play design that he kept from the league that long. Between the amount of film out there and the high volume of player movement its extremely hard to keep much secret these days. It makes a lot more sense to me that most teams dont have multiple elite level route runners like Nacua/Kupp, a veteran QB who can truly direct the offense, and an OL that can hold up for longer developing plays. Its also more likely that teams dont have the defenders to consistently stop whatever they were trying to do.

 

[75boyz]

Yeah,
His team preparation for playoff games comes to mind.
I'll add clock management, penalties and absolute cluelessness as to how to run the ball effectively too.

So just maybe McFraud don't get a free pass in my book.
LOL

Cowboys!

 

[KingintheNorth]

LOLOLOL

What a load of nonsense.

Gruden is totally what McCarthy pretends to be.*

*Except Jon Gruden has not been in any way more successful as a head coach than Mike McCarthy.

If I wanted awful football takes by pretenders I’d tune into Jerry’s press conferences.

 

[KingintheNorth]

No one caught on or no one was able to stop it and/or replicate it? Not saying your story isn't true, but I highly doubt McVay has some super secret play design that he kept from the league that long. Between the amount of film out there and the high volume of player movement its extremely hard to keep much secret these days. It makes a lot more sense to me that most teams dont have multiple elite level route runners like Nacua/Kupp, a veteran QB who can truly direct the offense, and an OL that can hold up for longer developing plays. Its also more likely that teams dont have the defenders to consistently stop whatever they were trying to do.

Not stop it. McVay runs the same plays out of various formations. This is known, he admits it all the time. He was moving Kupp to manipulate the Safety in a two-high look. If the Safety shifted over , Kupp ran an out forcing the Safety to try to get outside quick which is typically a hard ask. If the Safety stayed, Kupp pushes vertical right at him and then the outside WR “replaces” him and attacks the spot the Safety vacated. Nothing fancy but he was using the fact that teams know McVay wants to run the same plays out of different looks and trying to exploit them.

 

[Chuck 54]

Rookies on the OL, HOF guard playing hurt and then out, Steele still struggling.
No run game for most of the season, and even when Dowdle started to excel (for him), still no threat to defenses, no breakaway runs or TDs.
Only 1 WR who can get open or separate; all the rest undependable who should be depth at best.
TE group that underperformed for Rush.

Then we endured total catastrophes at DE and CB, plus a bad loss at LB.

Put any QB and coaches you want with that, and tell me how any would win more than maybe 9 games.

Our fans buy into the Jerry roster talk; we have a few stars (only Tyler Smith didn’t miss considerable time), but our roster of starters and contributors is as bad as the bottom teams in the league.

 

[gimmesix]

I know a lot of the talk is that its a collaborative process, but I do struggle to see where that is really showing itself consistently. The Trey Lance trade Jerry talked about how he doesnt have to consult anyone to make a move. DQ leaves and immediately throws cash at a pair of LBs.

Now there are some examples of guys who just look hand picked by the coaching staff. Overshown looked like a perfect addition for DQs scheme. Liufau is the prototype of a Zimmer defense. McCarthy loves TE depth so Schoon seems like a guy he would have wanted.

I'm pretty open minded on how much or how little MM is actually involved in player acquisition because the evidence seems to be very mixed.

It's hard to say, but it's also hard for me to believe Jerry knows much about any player. He has pro personnel people for that. I would think that department (McClay) would consult with both the Joneses and McCarthy, but that might not be the case. Then, he has Stephen for the financial side of it, and we know how that has gone for years now.

I kind of view Jerry's involvement like the acquisition of Owens. Parcells said agreed to that move. It doesn't appear to be one that he would have pursued, but he was indifferent ((at least) to Jerry pursuing it. I'm not sure how much Jerry is the one doing the pursuing these days, but I wouldn't be surprised if McCarthy OK'd the Zeke move, even if it was not the one he would have made.

 

[Streifenkarl]

McCarthy simply isn't a good coach and he definitely isn't a quarterback whisperer. He lucked out once with AR.

With that being said, his QB and quite a few other players on important positions are failures. And that team was built by Jerry.

End of lesson.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Not stop it. McVay runs the same plays out of various formations. This is known, he admits it all the time. He was moving Kupp to manipulate the Safety in a two-high look. If the Safety shifted over , Kupp ran an out forcing the Safety to try to get outside quick which is typically a hard ask. If the Safety stayed, Kupp pushes vertical right at him and then the outside WR “replaces” him and attacks the spot the Safety vacated. Nothing fancy but he was using the fact that teams know McVay wants to run the same plays out of different looks and trying to exploit them.

Gotcha, that makes more sense to me and is a solid example of what modern innovation in the NFL looks like. Its not a bunch of crazy routes, its mostly whats happening presnap to get info on the defense or isolate a matchup. I'm sure there is more to the McVay story as I'm not sure why teams are manning up a safety on Kupp, but if LA is doing it with motion or using the formation to get that matchup its an easy one to exploit.

 

[cowboyec]

i still remember coach mccarthys comment at a pre-draft presser when asked about dallas' potential interest in the rb class...
"my god...i hope we get one of these backs".
our gm1 and gm2 were seated there with him.
and we know how it turned out.
takes good backs to have a good run game.
he's not the hc AND gm.
he is not the problem.
these issues have been here pre-mccarthy.
ITS A FRONT OFFICE PROBLEM.

 

[slick325]

"Cause ain't no help coming till April, maybe."

Sigh...everyone knows the Jones boys take off during free agency. Prepping for the draft, no doubt. Smh

 

[Johannes44]

I will gladly blame the scheme if it's a one time thing. This offensive funk (for lack of a better term) - didn't just start when McCarthy took over. Moore was OC before that and we had the same thing, prior to that Linehan and Garrett - same thing. By the time CeeDee came along Zeke was already run into the dirt. So all that happened was you moved from one bell cow to the next, we never replaced Zeke with someone who defenses would need to account for. Today our offense is largely CeeDee, Ferguson and the occasional flashes of Turpin. Shut down CeeDee and the offense is dead in the water. Before that it was shut down Zeke and the offense is dead in the water.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Loved Coach Joe!! He was so fiery on the sidelines. May he rest in peace.

Joe should have been head coach after Jerry fired Jimmy. It would have kept continuity much better and also Coach Joe was just as much a disciplinarian as Jimmy. Troy wouldn't have had to take up the slack by coaching from the huddle and having to be the guy yelling at guys screwing up. But no, Switzer had to be the guy as the biggest screw you to Jimmy that Jerry could think of.

 

[vlad]

The Problem is Dallas isnt X's and O's it's Jimmy's and Joe's ... you can have all the offensive innovation in the world but if you dont have the players to execute then what is it? Mike McCarthy has done more with less consistently than any NFL coach .. he's that smart kid that just does dumb sht from time to time





He's absolutely right.

Of course you also have to add in the environment coaches have to coach in Dallas. An open door for the players to the owner, no authority to determine who plays and who sits and no command of your own coaching meetings or the locker room.

But his premise that it's the player not the coaches? Yes

And fans are stupid? Yes

100% - we all knew going into the year, regardless of whomever the coaches were, they were given not much to work with. I mean, our biggest offseason addition was what, Zeke? I know it made a few Stans here stoked, but everyone knew that guy was a waste...

They are going to do the same thing next year...meanwhile Philadelphia and Washington (seemingly now) will be wiser and idk, maybe the Giants will continue to suck, or they get a QB and at least come up to our level. Next year, no Overshown, who the hell knows who else is not back on our d-line so Micah will get pissed, no diggs and who knows who our CBs will be.... i just realized O-line might be our most stable group LOL, geez.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Problem is Dallas isnt X's and O's it's Jimmy's and Joe's ... you can have all the offensive innovation in the world but if you dont have the players to execute then what is it? Mike McCarthy has done more with less consistently than any NFL coach .. he's that smart kid that just does dumb sht from time to time





He's absolutely right.

Of course you also have to add in the environment coaches have to coach in Dallas. An open door for the players to the owner, no authority to determine who plays and who sits and no command of your own coaching meetings or the locker room.

But his premise that it's the player not the coaches? Yes

And fans are stupid? Yes

In the NFL it’s all about talent. And why the greatest of coaches can’t win without talent.

That said our culture under Jethro suks.

 

[WillieBeamen]

J Tuck LOL


This is the same guy that thinks Dak is elite

 

[tunahelper]

Fixed it- The problem isn't the X's and O's, it's Jerry Jones.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Lol the same offense that was number 1 last year is now nothing and needs a billion playmakers. Ok. And it's cute how everybody brings up Detroit. Who are the elite weapons on the packers?

People forget how good Josh Jacobs is. His 1329 yards this season is being overlooked because of Barkley and Henry. That's about as close to elite they have. Jordan Love is good but not elite, their three receivers are capable but none are on Cee Dee's level. Their o-line is good but not one of the best. They are good enough to get knocked out in the first round.

 

[charron]

Enough blame to go around

 

[kskboys]

The Problem is Dallas isnt X's and O's it's Jimmy's and Joe's ... you can have all the offensive innovation in the world but if you dont have the players to execute then what is it? Mike McCarthy has done more with less consistently than any NFL coach .. he's that smart kid that just does dumb sht from time to time





He's absolutely right.

Of course you also have to add in the environment coaches have to coach in Dallas. An open door for the players to the owner, no authority to determine who plays and who sits and no command of your own coaching meetings or the locker room.

But his premise that it's the player not the coaches? Yes

And fans are stupid? Yes

Settle down, Risen, we'll get us a CB and a TE and an injured LB and all will be fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!