The Problem I've Been Noticing

[CowboyExpress]

If you notice, three of our games we've lost, clutch plays have come towards Glenn and he's boffed it up, and only once has he been responsible for anything at the end of a game this year resulting in a win, and it was not a short pass. On the other side, Keyshawn has won the game for us each and everytime when the ball has come to him in clutch plays at the end of the game. Why someone would throw to Glenn when Key is on the other side and the game is on the line is beyond me. That's what Key does. Glenn is simply the long threat option. He's the Bridesmaid to the Bride.

Another better option would be throwing to Witten, a good solid target that some DB isn't going to beable to hump into the ground the second he catches it. If you ask me, Bledsoe & Glenns history together is what's hurting us here. Like I said, Glenn is a good deep option, but not short when the game is on the line. Anything within 10-15 yards, with the game on the line, look in other directions, Drew, PLEASE...and not Julius on the quick screen either!

Our Bread 'N Butter is Bled2Key & Bled2Witten. Both which seem to seldomly dissappoint. Two guys who can catch it in traffic and not be guarenteed to go down immediatly like Glenn, but usually always pick up a few yards after the catch. Save Glenn for the long shots down the field when it's just 1on1 or he's wide open.

Our record could be alot better. 3 Games + 3 Forced Throws to Glenn at the End = 3 Loses. Coincedence? Only one loss wasn't his fault in my eyes.

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[SmashFactorGolf]

Problem I've been noticed, and mentioned in prev. post is that Denver seemed to be "jumping our snap count"----------now, we did not have a fumbled snap Thurs: did the coaching staff super simplify the snap count to keep Al and Drew on the same page, and also dont beleive we had any lineman jump a count.....correct me if I am wrong.................

...............but seems that Denver heard the metronome count the same as we did and just went with it........solved a couple of problems on our side, but the Denver def line penetration just killed out running game

 

[theogt]

Problem I've been noticed, and mentioned in prev. post is that Denver seemed to be "jumping our snap count"----------now, we did not have a fumbled snap Thurs: did the coaching staff super simplify the snap count to keep Al and Drew on the same page, and also dont beleive we had any lineman jump a count.....correct me if I am wrong.................

...............but seems that Denver heard the metronome count the same as we did and just went with it........solved a couple of problems on our side, but the Denver def line penetration just killed out running game

The same thing was happening with Detroit. It makes me think that however they "fixed" the snap problem has given d-lines a cue. Perhaps Bledoe's tapping or something.

 

[SmashFactorGolf]

gosh......I'm beginning to think we are just as well off with a fumbled snap---50/50 chance of recovering vrs. going all game with the d-line teeing off ahead of us.....

 

[CowboyExpress]

I've noticed that snap count thing the last few games also. I mean who couldn't. But that seems to be more towards the beginning of the game from what I'm seeing and as the game goes on getting less and less. Definatly something we got to fix.

But back to this Glenn thing. Could he be hurt and the coaching staff is just keeping it hush-hush? Completely excluding those end of the game boffs he's been responsible for, we have not been seeing much of Terry the last few weeks. And when the ball does come his way nothing much seems to come from it anymore (minus the big catch in the Eagle game of course). His first 2 seasons with us the second he went down it was almost like a signal being sent to opposing teams that they could square off against us. With our record being so good this year and us in real contention, could Bill be throwing him out there simply for appearance-sake to avoid the same thing repeating itself for the 3rd straight year?

You almost have to wonder this last month, where has Terry gone?

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[LaTunaNostra]

Most of the critical short yardage plays to Terry have been ill-advised calls. Or poorly executed. Throwing to him on third or fourth and one when he's a few yards shy of the first down marker and defenders easily able to close on him is madness; he does not have the strength to get the needed YAC. His quickness does not compensate in such situtations.

He's often taken out by the coaches in goal line and even close red zone situations, or he is used like last week, as a decoy to open a lane. Yet he is often the go-to in similar scenarios where defenders are able to play close to the LOS. He can and does get first downs..in fact, 37 of his receptions in 03 were for first downs and many of them across the middle where Key and Jason now operate.

The reason why we keep going to him imo is his separation skills. The coaches and Bledsoe see him with a few yards of leeway and other receivers more tightly covered. But ill executed or late passes allow the defenders to close on him..you may as well thread the needle to a bigger guy. He has also dropped a few, notably that critical one late last game...but again, it was clear even if he had caught it, he'd have been tackled for negative yardage.

We have short yardage threats we did not have in 03...and when Patrick comes back we will have another one. I too think Bledsoe still does not trust a more tightly covered Key as much as he could...but I could be very wrong...we can never see every player and his coverage, or know the read progression on every play.

The fact remains it is Terry Glenn that defensive coordinators scheme more than anyone else on our offense, and there is a reason for that. He's the one who scares them the most. But he scares them most downfield, a place where we don't throw it enough, imo.

 

[Nors]

Funny they have our snap count so figured out -

That they have been called for around 10 off sides past 2 games! Yeagh - they have it all figured out.

Look at Oline play - thats why Bledsoe is getting killed - and still completing 64% of the passes....... Poor blocking in general is the issue. We are also #29 in NFL in yards per Carry. Major disapointment.

 

[Nors]

You want to get on Glenn - get after him for alligator arms and dropping that pass over the middle to start game....

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You want to get on Glenn - get after him for alligator arms and dropping that pass over the middle to start game....

That was deflected. If you didn't see it the first time, Phil Simms pointing it out and the replay near the half might have convinced you of it.

But even tho the deflect surprised him, with the zip it still had, it ended up bouncing off him so he should have had it. Any ball that come that close should be a reception. But I wonder if it that pass will even make it as a 'drop' at the stats sites..so far this year (pre-Broncs game) Terry has exactly TWO drops. Yet game after game I read here of his many drops.

It was NOT tho, a case of 'alligator arms', ie, gutlessness over the middle a la Pinkston.

That was unfair. I don't need to remind anyone in 03 it was Terry Glenn who played our possession receiver role, and reasonably well, considering his size. Pound for pound he has as much sand as anyone in this league. Anyone who says otherwise is taking a beatdown from me today. A big one, Mikey.

One last note on that first drive, those two "drops" made me cringe...for once Bill come out shooting and gets evidence he should go back to run, run, pass.

 

[SmashFactorGolf]

Funny they have our snap count so figured out -

That they have been called for around 10 off sides past 2 games! Yeagh - they have it all figured out.

Look at Oline play - thats why Bledsoe is getting killed - and still completing 64% of the passes....... Poor blocking in general is the issue. We are also #29 in NFL in yards per Carry. Major disapointment.

Yeh...Det. Lions got called on it a bunch, but dont remember it being a big problem for the Bronco's vrs. the advantage/jump they were getting off the line vrs. our OL.........running lanes were penetrated on virtually every play

 

[dbair1967]

Funny they have our snap count so figured out -

That they have been called for around 10 off sides past 2 games! Yeagh - they have it all figured out.

Look at Oline play - thats why Bledsoe is getting killed - and still completing 64% of the passes....... Poor blocking in general is the issue. We are also #29 in NFL in yards per Carry. Major disapointment.

and yet we still see people point fingers at Bledsoe and Julius Jones, when the answer is so blatantly obvious

David

 

[CowboyExpress]

Most of the critical short yardage plays to Terry have been ill-advised calls. Or poorly executed. Throwing to him on third or fourth and one when he's a few yards shy of the first down marker and defenders easily able to close on him is madness; he does not have the strength to get the needed YAC. His quickness does not compensate in such situtations.

He's often taken out by the coaches in goal line and even close red zone situations, or he is used like last week, as a decoy to open a lane. Yet he is often the go-to in similar scenarios where defenders are able to play close to the LOS. He can and does get first downs..in fact, 37 of his receptions in 03 were for first downs and many of them across the middle where Key and Jason now operate.

The reason why we keep going to him imo is his separation skills. The coaches and Bledsoe see him with a few yards of leeway and other receivers more tightly covered. But ill executed or late passes allow the defenders to close on him..you may as well thread the needle to a bigger guy. He has also dropped a few, notably that critical one late last game...but again, it was clear even if he had caught it, he'd have been tackled for negative yardage.

We have short yardage threats we did not have in 03...and when Patrick comes back we will have another one. I too think Bledsoe still does not trust a more tightly covered Key as much as he could...but I could be very wrong...we can never see every player and his coverage, or know the read progression on every play.

The fact remains it is Terry Glenn that defensive coordinators scheme more than anyone else on our offense, and there is a reason for that. He's the one who scares them the most. But he scares them most downfield, a place where we don't throw it enough, imo.

So you see it too. And just like you I don't blame Terry becaue he is for all intents and purposes getting the ball thrown to him late in the game under less than ideal circumstances where his strengths just do not lie.

And one of the announcers over the past few weeks said it too, that Drew is still learning to throw to Key in tight coverage.

Nobody else I would rather have down the field then Terry at the moment, but as far as these quick hitches or wr screens go, Key has to be the guy and Drew needs to figure this out if you ask me. Either Key or Witten, I mean. Just through size alone, those two, if a yard or two extra is needed to make it to the first down marker, can literally almost just fall forward and gain it they're so big.

In Drew's defense, he could just be thinking he needs to mix it up more at the end of the games, thus looking for Terry rather than Key or Jason all the time. We really need Crayton back to give us that viable 3rd option in short yardage and goalline situations.

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[Big Country]

I had an acquaintence at work I called OSO...

 

[LaTunaNostra]

So you see it too. And just like you I don't blame Terry becaue he is for all intents and purposes getting the ball thrown to him late in the game under less than ideal circumstances where his strengths just do not lie.

And one of the announcers over the past few weeks said it too, that Drew is still learning to throw to Key in tight coverage.

Nobody else I would rather have down the field then Terry at the moment, but as far as these quick hitches or wr screens go, Key has to be the guy and Drew needs to figure this out if you ask me. Either Key or Witten, I mean. Just through size alone, those two, if a yard or two extra is needed to make it to the first down marker, can literally almost just fall forward and gain it they're so big.

In Drew's defense, he could just be thinking he needs to mix it up more at the end of the games, thus looking for Terry rather than Key or Jason all the time. We really need Crayton back to give us that viable 3rd option in short yardage and goalline situations.

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One of our board members went to the game last week and came back and listed his observations. First on his list was "Terry Glenn is always open. Always." From his bird's eye view he was able to gauge Terry's separation skills, something else we can't evaluate well from the tv.

Asked why he audibled to Terry in that critical situation on Thursday, Bledsoe answered that 'we' always expect Terry to make the play (my words night not be exact).

But like you, I think a more judicious use and assessment of TG would be helpful. Being open means naught when a linebacker or saftey is two yards in frond with momentum and the ball isn't being caught in stride - that renders any receiver a sitting duck.

It'll me a moot point come next year, anyway, when Terry is in Philly after being traded for Terrell Owens.

TO will make those yards.

 

[CowboyExpress]

Terry has exactly TWO drops. Yet game after game I read here of his many drops.

It's because they've both come at the end of the game in close games we've lost and we're being reminded about them week after week as they continuously recap our "cardiac" season. And on the flipside we've seen Key catch 2 (or is it 3?) game winning touchdowns right at the end. Obviously those loses (and why) are going to stick out in our heads most, especially in such close games as they've come.

And for the record, the only drops I've even thought about or mentioned here are those that have come in clutch, end of the game, situations. I give props to Terry when he's in his element and doing what he's best at doing.

And in '03, the defenses were just too busy running around laughing at Quincy to really care about stopping Terry in that possession reciever role. Lol. So the jury is still out on that one if you ask me. And I don't know but perhaps you can tell me, was he ever that "possession type" reciever prior to coming to Dallas?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I had an acquaintence at work I called OSO...

I'm not familiar with the acronym.

Enlighten me.

j/k

 

[LaTunaNostra]

And in '03, the defenses were just too busy running around laughing at Quincy to really care about stopping Terry in that possession reciever role. Lol. So the jury is still out on that one if you ask me. And I don't know but perhaps you can tell me, was he ever that "possession type" reciever prior to coming to Dallas?

Well, obviously Bill felt the need to bring in Key, so that is the final judgment on Terry Glenn in a possession role. I only point it out ad nauseum because there were two other prima donna receivers here that year who don't have a concussion history who were too delicate to run many crossing patterns that season. And that STILL freaking gnaws at my inners.

In NE, Glenn was primarily a go and z route receiver. It was in Green Bay he had to learn to become a more complete receiver.

Later!

 

[CowboyExpress]

Well, obviously Bill felt the need to bring in Key, so that is the final judgment on Terry Glenn in a possession role. I only point it out ad nauseum because there were two other prima donna receivers here that year who don't have a concussion history who were too delicate to run many crossing patterns that season. And that STILL freaking gnaws at my inners.

In NE, Glenn was primarily a go and z route receiver. It was in Green Bay he had to learn to become a more complete receiver.

Later!

Thanks. I'm not very familar with Terry prior to his Dallas days. But have to say I'm really surprised he didn't excel with Farve throwing him the pigskin. Farve has seemed to have made a career out of making average recievers look like all-pros, a guy like Terry should/would have really torn it up in GB had they used him right and not taken him away frm his element like that.

 

[Nors]

Last week I predicted a Bledsoe to roll right, plant and throw a bomb accross the field. That was after we were all crying about that stupid play that always went to Key.

Now I'll predict we will fake the screen to Glenn and catch a DB trying to jump it and and GleNn going deep on stop and go - ala the Key TD.

 

[theogt]

Well, obviously Bill felt the need to bring in Key, so that is the final judgment on Terry Glenn in a possession role.

If I remember correctly Key was practically begging to come to Dallas. Signing Key has no bearing on Glenn's ability.