The problem that will not be solved

[CouchCoach]

Unless there is proof that Dallas will make less revenue if they go to the Superbowl than I'm not buying what your saying.

As a business owner who sells merchandise myself, I know for a fact that winning the Superbowl brings in much more revenue, not less if you win it.

Therefore, I'm calling you out on this. Unless you give me a link that proves otherwise.

I didn't say he would make less money but the difference the owner of BAL or SF will make is greater than the difference the top revenue team will make. Look up how little the value of the Patriots has changed with all of the titles. That's because they're already at the top in value. They're industry dependent.

As a business owner, would you agree that there are immature and mature businesses and the mature ones have less space between them and the ceiling? The one at the very top is dependent on the industry for increase because they're maxed out and are the ceiling. That's where the Cowboys are. Yes, there is more money to make but comparatively speaking, less for them to add than a team coming from the middle of the pack, like a BAL or SF.

 

[visionary]

Let's be fair. The team might have been worse off, we do not know. I have seen far worse coaching. And he's won the East 3 of the last 5 times.

what does “I have seen worse coaching “ have to do with it?

This moron has set this franchise back 10 years and you defend him by saying that we “could have been worse” or “would not be where we are” LOL

We are 8-8 or 7-9, is that what we should be thankful for?

Just can’t bear to face up to it and call him what he is, can you?

he’s trash

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Going to have to be a big name to get Booger to agree with that and that is never happening again. He only did that because he had to if he wanted that stadium.

That's the problem, any coach that wants the job is going to want it more than Booger wants him because down deep inside, he doesn't want to change HC's. He feels cornered with all of the media coverage, that he's mostly responsible for. He's help create the monster that has turned on him.

Nailed it my man.

 

[CouchCoach]

This^^^^

Jerry doesn’t want to replace Garrett despite these 10 years. Let that soak in Cowboy fans. Really all you need to know about Jerry’s intentions.

I think he saw him as a fixture, his Landry.

I think he failed Garrett more than the reverse. The Rams were smart with their HC, get some experience around him and GB did the same with their DC.

Booger failed to pick up on it. Parcells knew he wasn't ready and instead of embarrassing him as Fassel did Payton, he hired Sparano to split up the duties. Garrett didn't undermine Phillips or sabotage him, he didn't know any better. He didn't have a clue about game management or calling the offense to help the defense. He was in way over his head because people thought he knew more than he really knew about the game.

Where was our clue? He gets the HC job and runs off to see Jimmy and Coach K because he knows he's in over his head. He's looking for help but he can't ask the guy that gave him the job and that guy's son is responsible for him getting the job so he can't tell him. Garrett didn't spurn BAL or ATL for the HC job, he knew he wasn't right for it and stayed with the Cowboys and got a raise. "Hey, I'm getting paid more to do a job I know less about, is this a great league or what"?

 

[ConstantReboot]

I didn't say he would make less money but the difference the owner of BAL or SF will make is greater than the difference the top revenue team will make. Look up how little the value of the Patriots has changed with all of the titles. That's because they're already at the top in value. They're industry dependent.

As a business owner, would you agree that there are immature and mature businesses and the mature ones have less space between them and the ceiling? The one at the very top is dependent on the industry for increase because they're maxed out and are the ceiling. That's where the Cowboys are. Yes, there is more money to make but comparatively speaking, less for them to add than a team coming from the middle of the pack, like a BAL or SF.

The Patriots were once a bottom feeders in the NFL. Now they are probably one of the highest-grossing team in terms of revenue. Sure Dallas won't gain as much revenue as they do now. But there certainly will be a bump. Just like when Apple releases a new version of the iphone. They are at the top of the market share. But still are able to see earnings each and every release of a new iphone.

Cowboys will certainly make more money if they win the Superbowl. Not less.

 

[CouchCoach]

what does “I have seen worse coaching “ have to do with it?

This moron has set this franchise back 10 years and you defend him by saying that we “could have been worse” or “would not be where we are” LOL

We are 8-8 or 7-9, is that what we should be thankful for?

Just can’t bear to face up to it and call him what he is, can you?

he’s trash

Yes, I can, he's not the worst coach I've seen. I saw Mike Smith make some coaching decisions, with a hell of a lot more experience than Garrett, with ATL that would have sent us to the rafters. I saw a HC in OAK take the exact playbook, including terminology, into the SB game against the previous owner of that playbook. I've seen Mike Zimmer coach not to lose more than to win.

vissy, I am not a Garrett fan but I do not think he's the worst HC I've seen and there are worst ones in the league right now and Garrett will probably be a HC in 2020. There aren't enough good or great ones to go around.

 

[visionary]

Yes, I can, he's not the worst coach I've seen. I saw Mike Smith make some coaching decisions, with a hell of a lot more experience than Garrett, with ATL that would have sent us to the rafters. I saw a HC in OAK take the exact playbook, including terminology, into the SB game against the previous owner of that playbook. I've seen Mike Zimmer coach not to lose more than to win.

vissy, I am not a Garrett fan but I do not think he's the worst HC I've seen and there are worst ones in the league right now and Garrett will probably be a HC in 2020. There aren't enough good or great ones to go around.

Once again “he’s not the worst coach I’ve seen”

 

[plasticman]

I keep seeing either the owner steps down as GM or the new HC is given complete autonomy over everything from the locker room to the field. Both of these are wonderful ideas, probable solutions but both are totally unreasonable and will not happen. I will be shocked if the new HC is allowed to hire his own staff.

To attempt to solve a problem, it must first be recognized and then a willingness to address and solve the problem enacted. The first might be possible but the second is impossible because that would involve admitting failure and incompetence. And if the owner were to step aside, that would be for his son, equally as incompetent, to step in.

So, by asserting these two ideas, we are only wasting our time because those are two things that will not happen so we need to think of the next best thing.

I think Garrett's greatest contribution to the betterment of the Cowboys is that he's used his influence with the owner in the selection of players and positions and I believe he's seen as the conduit to the owner and his son from others on the team. He's the messenger.

As fans, we need a HC that is better on the sideline with strategy and tactics but influential with the Joneses when it comes to decisions regarding players and the type systems used to implement those players.

One thing we know, the Joneses are follow the ball fans and love their offensive stars so a counter balance to that is needed with a HC that is either from the D side or balanced and aware that ST are not an afterthought. I do not think Riley or Roman fit that.

We need a guy that can "stand up" to the Joneses but with diplomacy and understanding of the fragile egos he's dealing with and remember Parcells' advice when dealing with it. Don't let the owner think all of the GM's ideas are good. Think 'the owner comes first' is the mantra and he can get some things done.

This man must be equally adept at handling the FO and the team and retain respect from both and that is a tall order because in order to accomplish that, he must subrogate his own ego with the former but strengthen that with the latter.

So, who is that guy? Who can best fit his ego in with the Joneses and the team? Who can realize he can't solve the problem; he has to work with the problem in order to work around the problem?

We can begin by recognizing our real problem isn't getting resolved anytime soon. We need the guy to work around our problem and we've had that guy except on the sideline during games.

Recognize the problem and attempt to solve it?

So, you advocate the assassination of Jerry Jones?

Because, attempting to resolve this issue by addressing the Head Coach position is to completely ignore the past 25 seasons of mediocrity. Jason wasn't there all that time.

The only way to stand up to Jerry Jones is to walk away. That's exactly what two very strong coaches did.

 

[CouchCoach]

The Patriots were once a bottom feeders in the NFL. Now they are probably one of the highest-grossing team in terms of revenue. Sure Dallas won't gain as much revenue as they do now. But there certainly will be a bump. Just like when Apple releases a new version of the iphone. They are at the top of the market share. But still are able to see earnings each and every release of a new iphone.

Cowboys will certainly make more money if they win the Superbowl. Not less.

I never said they would make less, just not as much as some others.

 

[CouchCoach]

Recognize the problem and attempt to solve it?

So, you advocate the assassination of Jerry Jones?

Because, attempting to resolve this issue by addressing the Head Coach position is to completely ignore the past 25 seasons of mediocrity. Jason wasn't there all that time.

The only way to stand up to Jerry Jones is to walk away. That's exactly what two very strong coaches did.

You are correct. He has stated that he owns it and will run it as he sees fit. A new HC can't meet that kind of boss head on, he's got to flank him for a year or two and gain his trust.

 

[LatinMind]

I keep seeing either the owner steps down as GM or the new HC is given complete autonomy over everything from the locker room to the field. Both of these are wonderful ideas, probable solutions but both are totally unreasonable and will not happen. I will be shocked if the new HC is allowed to hire his own staff.

To attempt to solve a problem, it must first be recognized and then a willingness to address and solve the problem enacted. The first might be possible but the second is impossible because that would involve admitting failure and incompetence. And if the owner were to step aside, that would be for his son, equally as incompetent, to step in.

So, by asserting these two ideas, we are only wasting our time because those are two things that will not happen so we need to think of the next best thing.

I think Garrett's greatest contribution to the betterment of the Cowboys is that he's used his influence with the owner in the selection of players and positions and I believe he's seen as the conduit to the owner and his son from others on the team. He's the messenger.

As fans, we need a HC that is better on the sideline with strategy and tactics but influential with the Joneses when it comes to decisions regarding players and the type systems used to implement those players.

One thing we know, the Joneses are follow the ball fans and love their offensive stars so a counter balance to that is needed with a HC that is either from the D side or balanced and aware that ST are not an afterthought. I do not think Riley or Roman fit that.

We need a guy that can "stand up" to the Joneses but with diplomacy and understanding of the fragile egos he's dealing with and remember Parcells' advice when dealing with it. Don't let the owner think all of the GM's ideas are good. Think 'the owner comes first' is the mantra and he can get some things done.

This man must be equally adept at handling the FO and the team and retain respect from both and that is a tall order because in order to accomplish that, he must subrogate his own ego with the former but strengthen that with the latter.

So, who is that guy? Who can best fit his ego in with the Joneses and the team? Who can realize he can't solve the problem; he has to work with the problem in order to work around the problem?

We can begin by recognizing our real problem isn't getting resolved anytime soon. We need the guy to work around our problem and we've had that guy except on the sideline during games.

I read this over and over, by fans and talk head or people who have never spent any time with the Cowboys.

I put more credibility to 2 guys who when asked actually answer the question.

First Troy Aikman who makes no bones about Jerry who he was when he was around Dallas back in the 90s. And yeah im sure hes 100% if Jerry then.

But then i get a picture of Jerrys growth from Bill Parcells who says Jerry doesnt but in, he wants to win. Gave him everything he asked and needed, he just didnt get it done.

Then you have a player like orlando scandrick who just a few weeks ago putting Shannon and Skip in their place when they were throwing out all these jabs at Jerry about him butting in evertyhing and trying to be the captain with pep talks. Scandrick told both of them first thing Jerry doesnt give pep talks, and 2nd echoed the same thing Parcells did he wants to win more than anything.

I think too many people hold on to younger Jerry, but since he hired Parcells he's put together alot of good teams.

Now i do think Jerry needs to let his coach have more power to hand out punishments to players without the coach looking over his head. Id like for him to be less visible. He doesnt need to give 50 interivews a week, the HC doesnt need his own show.

Think this team gets it right with the next coach.

 

[CouchCoach]

Once again “he’s not the worst coach I’ve seen”

No, he isn't. We could have had worse coaches and I will go one step further, he's not the worst we've seen standing on our own sideline.

I am just stating a fact to me. Do I want him as HC? No, truth be told I never did want him as HC but he did earn his shot.

 

[fivetwos]

This! See JJ and the Tuna was and would not have that, whereas Dan would just be glad to have a HC job would go along with that. I would make him put it in writing or no deal and if sign it and you revert back to interfering I will step down and still get all my monies.

Then the offer suddenly isnt there, and Campbell may never see an offer like that ever again. It sets up his children and their children.

Jerry sells him as a disciplinarian, and we all buy into it, then Jerry clips his nuts just like he did to everyone else. The two he couldnt do it to were run out of town.

The guy is a mess and cant help himself.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think he saw him as a fixture, his Landry.

I think he failed Garrett more than the reverse. The Rams were smart with their HC, get some experience around him and GB did the same with their DC.

Booger failed to pick up on it. Parcells knew he wasn't ready and instead of embarrassing him as Fassel did Payton, he hired Sparano to split up the duties. Garrett didn't undermine Phillips or sabotage him, he didn't know any better. He didn't have a clue about game management or calling the offense to help the defense. He was in way over his head because people thought he knew more than he really knew about the game.

Where was our clue? He gets the HC job and runs off to see Jimmy and Coach K because he knows he's in over his head. He's looking for help but he can't ask the guy that gave him the job and that guy's son is responsible for him getting the job so he can't tell him. Garrett didn't spurn BAL or ATL for the HC job, he knew he wasn't right for it and stayed with the Cowboys and got a raise. "Hey, I'm getting paid more to do a job I know less about, is this a great league or what"?

I agree and applaud most of your thoughts here and you obviously get it but like some of the Lynch Mob you still bash Garrett’s knowledge of the game and his coaching ability short IMO. He’s one of only 3 Cowboys HC to win COY.

I find it very conflicting how well he’s respected around the league. And I understand his lack of more success is a valid criticism and eventually everyone’s time is up. But this notion he can’t coach is blatantly unfounded.

All coaches are criticized from Couch Coaches( no pun intended) and Monday Morning QB’s around the world. HC’s always take the heat and receive too much credit. Most critics and analysts rank him more in the middle of the heap to slightly above average.

Garrett’s offenses most seasons have been Top 10. The downfall in Garrett era has been not having one of the most Elite defenses or QB. Tough to play for championships without one or both in this era.

The double standard we see for the defense of Prescott with his record in first 4 years but in same breathe they feel Garrett should be fired for identical record . Totally hypocritical.

In the end I agree it’s probably time to move on. I really don’t believe the toxic climate is conducive for sustained success any longer. And I’d like to see what a new Puppet can do with this core roster. Plus I’d like to see what Garrett can do in a normal situation.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, he isn't. We could have had worse coaches and I will go one step further, he's not the worst we've seen standing on our own sideline.

I am just stating a fact to me. Do I want him as HC? No, truth be told I never did want him as HC but he did earn his shot.

Garrett was the most ridiculous hire in the NFL that I can recall. Jerry named him “ the future of the Dallas Cowboys” before he even named a HC. In the most unprecedented fashion I’ve ever seen in the league illustrating how dysfunctional this organization is. And Wade was set up for failure.

I was just impressed with Garrett’s offense immediately as he appeared to be developing Romo from a pure sandlot QB into a franchise QB in 2007. Then that night in the Meadowlands taking over the lowest point in the Jerry era a 1-7 total collapse under Wade led us to a 5-3 finish without Romo which sealed him the job.

We begin immediately seeing his impact and influence over Jerry with our best draft in years in 2011 building a team in Jason’s vision. More of a rebuild than retooling with one of the worst defenses in Cowboy history. Probably a 4 or 5 win team without Romo. And while rebuilding the team around some core talent like Romo, Witten and Ware somehow kept the team contending for division until final week.

Then the culmination of 3 solid drafts and a dominating running game behind the best drafted OL in a generation with a healthy Romo the Cowboys emerged as a true contender coming basically a catch that wasn’t away from their 1st Championship appearance since the 90’s.

Unfortunately that Trio on offense never was fielded again as a result of injuries and poor Mgmt decisions which left the franchise at another crossroads. And then Garrett recovered again emerging with a backup QB that could win leading us to another division title.

Then more distractions again like so many seasons are sidetracked with poor Mgmt decisions . And then another rebound the following season after falling below .500. The mark of the Garrett era is continuing to elevate the team above not only the distractions from Mgmt but from the players behavior on and off the field and of course our owners distractions.

The final straw came again from the most distracting force in the league . This time after the Patriots game in a hard fought loss at the World Champs house. A game if anyone penciled in a loss this was it. But our Football Idiot in an attempt to try and look smart bashed our coaching.

There’s no rebounding this time. Too toxic to overcome. The media and fans have joined together. And Jerry obviously realizes he went too far this time in the balance act he always attempts to sway between promoting his product and self analysis.

He’s placed himself in a corner now to the decision he’s protected more than anyone under his tenure. If he makes too good of hire he’ll be proved wrong that it was all about coaching as we’ve been claiming since Jimmy left or make another hire which is more likely to set this team back further because they won’t be able to coexist and tolerate this toxic environment.

Slowly I turned . Step by step. Niagra Falls. Lol

Great thread CC!!