The pros and the cons

[AmishCowboy]

I don’t think it matters. This move supports my notion they’re all in with Dak and to win this year. This was not a move for the future.

We’re going to try and surround Dak to prove Jerry was right.

Dak will be QB here in 2020 as well before Cowboys make final decision, they didn't trade a 1st round pick to let Cooper leave either

 

[Melonfeud]

Is JJ saying “win now or else”? I hope so. But when has Jerry ever held Garrett accountable? JJ has been more comfortable with losing than he was with making changes. I can’t see this team making the playoffs even after this trade. Will Jerry pull the plug on his personal hand picked and groomed HC?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt & you can bet your last dollar, JERRY 'will'(stipulation time/break it down),,,FIRE anybody, except his wife,
Just from the casual understanding , one &all could readily agree that JJ is an egomaniac with a ,,,er,,,slightly bent drift to the narcissistic side of the river banks edge,,,yet,,, if you don't think that CAT( my esteemed hero& fondly applied pseudo father figure ) wouldn't s*** can his own son,if induced to exert the prideful force of his nature & self deemed dominance over all within his realm? Odds are you're running drag/ dead last in that horse race,buckaroos

• * the Man is getting old through, he could mellow with the achieved grace of life's accomplished Laurel's,,,but there's something in that single branched tree of Arkansas hillbilly razorback hog farmer lineage ,tells me there's still a big load of " over my dead body" in him,that won't never depart, until,,, er,,,HE DOES

 

[Bobhaze]

If Jason Garrett is gone after this season, a new head coach coming in will first design the offense around his concept of scheme. That usually requires dumping of the present quarterback and going different directions...

Does hiring a new HC usually mean a new QB? Not really.

There are several teams that hired new HCs last two years that didn’t bring in a new QB. Like the rams Sean McVey, Chargers Anthony Lynn, Jags Doug Marrone, Bucs Dirk Koetter, Lions Matt Patricia, Titans Mike Vrabel, Giants Pat Shurmur, raiders Jon Gruden, bears Matt Nagy, and Colts Frank Reich. They all stayed with their team’s previous QB. Sometimes new HCs bring in a new QB, but not usually.

 

[Bobhaze]

Unless Cooper poorly we will pick up his contract for next year. You just invested a #1 in him you will give him every opportunity to succeed even if it mean another year because this year we are only on the hook for $400K and next year $14 millions so it really is a 2 year $14.5 million deal. No way you are cutting him unless something extraordinary happens.

My concern is what about after 2019 when his current contract is up? Will he resign here? And for how much? There’s no guarantee we have Cooper past 2019. He may want to play somewhere else for the same money but bigger chance to win a ring.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak will be QB here in 2020 as well before Cowboys make final decision, they didn't trade a 1st round pick to let Cooper leave either

We shall see.

I suspect we will sign Dak before 2020 and probably before 2019 season is complete.

And if Cooper doesn’t produce like a #1 and help prop up Dak and this offense doubtful we’ll sign him past the expected 13 million he is due next year.

If this season flops wouldn’t be surprised if Cooper isn’t here next year.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Even though I'm not a fan of trading a 1st round pick for a WR going into a contract year, I think we can have a legitimate WR corps in a year or so. Cooper might not ever be elite but he's definitely a legitimate 1. And Gallup has flashed signs of being a future 1, though he still has a lot to learn and can't be relied on this year. We can have a solid 1A/1B duo of Cooper/Gallup for years to come. Beasley has been beasting but will be 30 next year. Hopefully we can find some mid-round slot WRs who can play a similar role. It's a shame that one WR we traded to the Raiders never panned out for us. It's also a shame that Hurns hasn't been able to do anything this year. He should be a better version of Beasley in the slot, but he's been one of our worst WRs.

 

[Diehardblues]

Watching our divisional foes today makes me realize even more if we had a top 10 caliber QB with our defense we could win this division.

 

[CCBoy]

Does hiring a new HC usually mean a new QB? Not really.

There are several teams that hired new HCs last two years that didn’t bring in a new QB. Like the rams Sean McVey, Chargers Anthony Lynn, Jags Doug Marrone, Bucs Dirk Koetter, Lions Matt Patricia, Titans Mike Vrabel, Giants Pat Shurmur, raiders Jon Gruden, bears Matt Nagy, and Colts Frank Reich. They all stayed with their team’s previous QB. Sometimes new HCs bring in a new QB, but not usually.

I think you are premature here...as a new coach usually has but a three to four year window to turn things around. Unless the current quarterback matches well with his style and schemes, think he wants to measure his future with another's choice for leader of the team?

 

[Diehardblues]

I can’t imagine a new HC wanting Dak.

Na... Jerry’s determined to show the world he can win with both. Lol

 

[Bobhaze]

I think you are premature here...as a new coach usually has but a three to four year window to turn things around. Unless the current quarterback matches well with his style and schemes, think he wants to measure his future with another's choice for leader of the team?

CC I was just responding to your previous post where you said that bringing in a new coach would require dumping the present QB. I was just pointing out that actually that isn’t usually the case, although it happens in some cases.

I certainly agree with you that most NFL coaches have a 3-4 year window to turn things around. Unless your name is Garrett and then it’s at least 8 years, lol. And most GMs have about 3-5 years too. Except here and Cincy.

 

[CCBoy]

CC I was just responding to your previous post where you said that bringing in a new coach would require dumping the present QB. I was just pointing out that actually that isn’t usually the case, although it happens in some cases.

I certainly agree with you that most NFL coaches have a 3-4 year window to turn things around. Unless your name is Garrett and then it’s at least 8 years, lol. And most GMs have about 3-5 years too. Except here and Cincy.

 

[Clove]

Obviously we don’t know who we would have drafted or if they would’ve worked out. The one thing we do know is a 2019 draftee would have been guaranteed to be here at least 4 years at a cheaper price as opposed to Cooper’s cost. Not saying that would be better.

I do think too many people are assuming Cooper will be here after 2019. He might. But he may not. If he leaves after 2019, we just rented Cooper.

The move was a gamble, like all draft picks are.

 

[Clove]

Losing the #1 pick definitely takes out the potential prospect of going after a QB if Dak is a flop.

Plus if we used that pick for a WR you have 5 years to develop before opening up the checkbook.

You and I may want a QB, but we don't know what the Cowboys brass wants. Obviously they wanted a seasoned top(ish) receiver and they used a 1 to get it.

 

[Batman1980]

I would hope they've already begun negotiations for a new contract, with protections for production and injuries.

 

[Chrispierce]

You forgot to add one more pro to the list. If he doesn’t live up to the deal? I get to call him “Pooper”.

 

[Carter]

They still have the "Frederick was out" Excuse Card in the back pocket if Cooper Fails too.

 

[buybuydandavis]

THE CONS
2. His contract and potential free agency after 2019. This is the biggest con to me because, unlike a rookie drafted in 2019, there is no guarantee we will have him past next season. A 2019 rookie drafted is not a guarantee as far as performance, but there is a guarantee they will be here for 4-5 years at a cheaper price. What if after a year and a half of being a Cowboy, Cooper decides he wants to go to a team he feels gives him a better chance at a ring?

The more likely scenario to screw us is that Jerry will feel compelled to sign Cooper to avoid looking like a fool for giving up a 1st for a year and a half rental.

If I'm Cooper's agent, I completely turn the screws on Jerry. He'll pay because he has to. We're going to massively overpay.

 

[atlantacowboy]

We shall see.

I suspect we will sign Dak before 2020 and probably before 2019 season is complete.

And if Cooper doesn’t produce like a #1 and help prop up Dak and this offense doubtful we’ll sign him past the expected 13 million he is due next year.

If this season flops wouldn’t be surprised if Cooper isn’t here next year.

If Cooper isn't here next this year then this trade might actually eclipse the roy williams trade in its stupidity. In that scenerio, we gave up a first round pick to rent him for 2 months.

 

[Bobhaze]

The more likely scenario to screw us is that Jerry will feel compelled to sign Cooper to avoid looking like a fool for giving up a 1st for a year and a half rental.

If I'm Cooper's agent, I completely turn the screws on Jerry. He'll pay because he has to. We're going to massively overpay.

Excellent point. And it also highlights why your owner should never also be your GM. The lack of accountability for the GM’s mistakes has absolutely hobbled this franchise.

 

[Whyjerry]

After looking at the Amari Cooper trade, there are plenty of things to like and look forward to, and there are also plenty of things that cause some long term concern.

Here is a list of what I see as PROS and CONS of this trade:

THE PROS
1. Cooper is 24, is already a proven commodity as opposed to a young rookie that will take a year or two to adjust to playing in the NFL. When he stepped on the practice field the other day, he was instantly the best receiver we have.

2. He can have both an immediate impact as well as a long term impact if the Cowboys can re-sign him after 2019. Signing him to another contract is probably do-able with Cowboys current cap space.

3. Cooper is “Dak friendly” in the sense that he is known to be an excellent route runner. For a QB like Dak who does not have a canon for an arm, having WRs that run reliable routes is very helpful.

4. Cooper is known to be a person of good character. His reputation on and off the field is excellent. His character and work ethic will be an excellent role model for a young team.

THE CONS
1. The cost of the trade- losing a #1 pick for next year, despite the positives mentioned above about Cooper’s talent and young age, it’s still a risk. Next spring, when other teams are drafting first round talent and we aren’t, there may be some regrets.

2. His contract and potential free agency after 2019. This is the biggest con to me because, unlike a rookie drafted in 2019, there is no guarantee we will have him past next season. A 2019 rookie drafted is not a guarantee as far as performance, but there is a guarantee they will be here for 4-5 years at a cheaper price. What if after a year and a half of being a Cowboy, Cooper decides he wants to go to a team he feels gives him a better chance at a ring?

3. He has had some concussion issues and those type of injuries can have a cumulative effect. The next one can be career ending.

4. Cooper is clearly the best WR we have now, but is he a top 10 WR in this league? Maybe. He’s been good but he hasn’t exactly been lighting it up the last year or so. Are we sure he’s worth a long term commitment?

This list could be longer for both categories. I like Cooper’s talent, age and immediate potential here. But I also have big concerns about the fact he is not a guarantee after next season. And even if we re-sign him, will that contract become an albatross as so many big WR contracts later become?

One clear message was being sent by this owner: He expects this team to win now. This season. I hope that’s a message for this HC that if this team doesn’t make the playoffs, the pink slip follows. That would be a huge “PRO” IMO.

The spin is that he is better than anyone coming out for the draft. Which means the Cowboys just "drafted" a really expensive WR who is the best in a weak class. When you have other positions of need - TE, S, and OT to name a few - wouldn't you want that #1 to pick the best available player rather than spending it on a WR that hasn't done a thing in 2 seasons and will cost 15-16 million per. The spinzone coming out of Dallas is mind numbingly stupid.

Besides - anyone have confidence this offensive staff knows what they are doing? Anyone?