The "12" offense: Take Two

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Let's try this again, one more time.

There never was supposed to be a Fiametta or Vickers. Barber and Felix were supposed to be running in a one-back offense with Jason Witten and Martellus Bennett as starting tight ends. Fullbacks were a "meh" position that you didn't need to carry unless you had a special-teams demon worth taking a spot.

The "12" offense - one back and two tight ends - was supposed to be the base offense the day Bennett was drafted. His complete knuckleheaded, lackadaisical weirdness and apathy threw a frustrating wrench into that plan.

The theory behind this offense is interesting. "They say", defenses can't effectively blitz against a 12 offense, nor can they disguise blitzes well, because with two tight ends, the defense is in a more reactive mode by default. The key is to have two decent blocking tight ends that are significant threats in the passing game.

In effect, this offense forces defenses to play you straight up, and with adequate weapons, it really takes the teeth out of the defense, even top defenses, because they can't attack like they want to. It's relatively easy to beat blitzes with two receiving tight ends and good receivers; hence, defenses don't do it as much.

It also makes it - supposedly - easier to run the football because your spreading out the linebackers and making them easier to read.

Sounds like a good way - along with drafting a center - to ease the pass rush on Romo. We're all for that, I'm sure. A more balanced running game and more predicatable pass rush...sign us up.

For reference, New England does this. New Orleans does as well, although they go three-wide more often than the Patriots.

It makes oodles of sense here when you think about it. Much like Brady and Brees, Tony Romo is very good at defeating a blitz, especially when you only bring one. And if you bring two blitzers, one or both of the tight ends should be wide open, as well as a slanting receiver. The defense is just begging to give up a big play.

Conversely, with a fullback, a defense can put tremendous pressure on an offense to identify a blitz package and block it perfectly. Even if you block it right only 2/3 of the time, you're asking for trouble. And swing passes often don't get you the five yards that a quick hitch from your tight end can against the blitz. The bailout options are fewer.

In the 12 offense, it's relatively easy for the QB and tight ends to read a blitz quickly and beat it before it has a chance to get to the QB, especially if this is the base offense and they are constantly working from this formation in practice. Brady does this brilliantly, so teams stay at bay most of the time.

Enter Gavin Escobar and a bulked up James Hanna. Neither are known as good blocking tight ends, but if they can get them to "reasonable" soon enough, and make sure they can read blitzes, we'll hopefully see the reduction in pass rush. Both are smart, i.e. not Marty B.

As an added bonus, it takes the blitz read largely off of Dez Bryant. He's improving rapidly, but I still don't trust him on read routes. He's cost Romo a ton of interceptions over the past few seasons. Now he can commit more to his assigned route and let the blitz reads happen in the background.

The theory is sound...in theory. We'll soon see.

In effect, it says that not only are we getting a new defense this year with the Kiffin/Marinelli 4-3, we're getting a new offense, too. Even if it's the offense we were supposed to have a long time ago.

If nothing else, the team already feels very different than the same-ole-same-ole we've been watching for years. That alone has me intrigued, and bolsters my growing confidence that this will be a dangerous playoff team come January.
 

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Its just as good of a theory as putting 4 WR on the field forcing the defense to bring in extra DB's in place of line backers or DL. If they don't bring in DB's to cover the WR's you should be able to pass the ball with ease. If they do then you should be able to run the ball. It's just a matter of personal preference. 12 is no different than 10 in regards of how it "should" work. Its all a matter of execution. Whatever personnel they choose to go with they need to just do what they are suppose to do.
 

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Sampson;5094272 said:
Its just as good of a theory as putting 4 WR on the field forcing the defense to bring in extra DB's in place of line backers or DL. If they don't bring in DB's to cover the WR's you should be able to pass the ball with ease. If they do then you should be able to run the ball. It's just a matter of personal preference. 12 is no different than 10 in regards of how it "should" work. Its all a matter of execution. Whatever personnel they choose to go with they need to just do what they are suppose to do.

No, four receivers ASSURES that you're QB is going to take multiple hits.

Mike Martz almost killed Kurt Warner and Jay Cutler with it, and then he practically ended Marc Bulger's career early with it.

It's about limiting the hits on the QB, not just sacks.
 

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There never was supposed to be a Fiametta or Vickers? Then why did we sign them? Why did we spend a draft pick on a fullback in 2011? These were literally years after Bennett was drafted.

Good grief. The "12" hype is really jumping the shark. Magical formations don't win games. Good players put in proper positions win games.
 

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Chocolate Lab;5094288 said:
There never was supposed to be a Fiametta or Vickers? Then why did we sign them? Why did we spend a draft pick on a fullback in 2011? These were literally years after Bennett was drafted.

Good grief. The "12" hype is really jumping the shark. Magical formations don't win games. Good players put in proper positions win games.



I think it is, people honestly believe since NE did it, magically Garrett will emulate it, and it will be successful.
 

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The "12" talk sounds like deja vu to me; I remember hearing the same sort of stuff when we had guys like Bjornson and LaFleur around. Hopefully this time around the outcome will be different.
 

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erod;5094274 said:
No, four receivers ASSURES that you're QB is going to take multiple hits.


Thats just as ridiculous as saying 2 TE's ASSURES that a quarterback is not going to take multiple hits
 

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By the way, i don't care which way they line up. They just need to do whatever they do and do it well.
 

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Sampson;5094309 said:
Thats just as ridiculous as saying 2 TE's ASSURES that a quarterback is not going to take multiple hits

There's a reason you don't see the run-and-shoot anymore. Same with the Mike Martz base offense. It kills quarterbacks.
 

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Who said anything about running the run-and-shoot and what does Martz have to do with the Dallas Cowboys? But since you bring him up, Martz won a superbowl and im pretty sure he had quite a few more wins than losses
 

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Sampson;5094341 said:
Who said anything about running the run-and-shoot and what does Martz have to do with the Dallas Cowboys? But since you bring him up, Martz won a superbowl and im pretty sure he had quite a few more wins than losses

He was a disaster in Detroit and Chicago, and now he can't even get a job. The league figured out how to kill the quarterback in that offense, and now he's a has-been coach.

Kurt Warner barely made it out of there alive, then refound himself a couple of years later in Arizona.
 

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Well good, I'm glad he hasn't been our coach the past few years. Our quarterback would be getting killed...... Oh wait.
 

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This 12 hype is mind blowing. You would think this is the super offense of the NFL.
 

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Yoshimitsu;5094378 said:
This 12 hype is mind blowing. You would think this is the super offense of the NFL.

Patriots and Saints have been doing it for some time now.

It's a good option for teams with running and protection problems, too.
 

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erod;5094393 said:
Patriots and Saints have been doing it for some time now.

It's a good option for teams with running and protection problems, too.


Its a good option if you have a coordinator that can get the ball to the second tight end. The problem hasnt been with Fasano or Bennett.
 

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17yearsandcounting;5094404 said:
Its a good option if you have a coordinator that can get the ball to the second tight end. The problem hasnt been with Fasano or Bennett.

They didn't run much 12 with Fasano, and Bennett was too stupid to run a pass route. Romo had no faith in him whatsoever.

The Giants had enough of Bennett already and didn't want to commit big money to him either.
 

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erod;5094412 said:
They didn't run much 12 with Fasano, and Bennett was too stupid to run a pass route. Romo had no faith in him whatsoever.

The Giants had enough of Bennett already and didn't want to commit big money to him either.


Right, its never Jasons fault.
 

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17yearsandcounting;5094459 said:
Right, its never Jasons fault.

The best offense we've seen was when they were running more 12 personnel a few years ago. Now they're going to make it the core offense. Simple as that.

They need a complimentary tight end that can do more than just block though. Bennett ran the wrong routes than Dez did as a rookie.
 
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