The real reason this defense sucks

[Proof]

Why are you focusing on only 1st rounders?

Chiefs pick DL's often, early and late. Chris Jones was a 2nd, Nnadi was a 3rd. Just took Khalen Sauders in the 3rd in 19, and signed run stuffer Mike Pennel in 19. In the scout's words: "Run first defender who stabilized Chiefs interior line in 2nd half last year."

We've drafted a bunch of injured players, stiffs, and projects. To say we're not good at it is like saying Jack the Ripper wasn't too bad.

it was just a very easy and obvious counterpoint. They've done a better job of evaluating/developing defensive talent, but they're not devoting any more resources than we are. And most recently they went offense early. The degree to which we've been bad isn't the point, it's that the resources have been devoted. early often and late.

 

[Captain-Crash]

the offense can't control the time of possession?

 

[ottawacowpoke]

Coaching matters.

coaching does matter, but so does culture. The culture in Dallas is not conducive to winning. No accountability and that starts with the GM. The GM has yet to hold himself accountable for football decisions and that matters. There is no doubt in my mind that the players and coaches have all noticed this.

 

[kskboys]

it was just a very easy and obvious counterpoint. They've done a better job of evaluating/developing defensive talent, but they're not devoting any more resources than we are. And most recently they went offense early. The degree to which we've been bad isn't the point, it's that the resources have been devoted. early often and late.

I have to disagree, and they also take all sorts of DL's. We have this obsession w/ 3 techs. We take 3 techs and edge rushers almost exclusively. One of the big reasons KC's D has emerged(Best in the NFL over the last 6 games last year) is due to taking starting stalwart NT NNadi in the 3rd and going out and getting Mike Pennel in FA last off. They've spent several 1-3 round picks on DL, including emerging Kpassagnon in the 2nd.

 

[kskboys]

coaching does matter, but so does culture. The culture in Dallas is not conducive to winning. No accountability and that starts with the GM. The GM has yet to hold himself accountable for football decisions and that matters. There is no doubt in my mind that the players and coaches have all noticed this.

Never thought of it that way, but that could easily be the case.

 

[Bobhaze]

coaching does matter, but so does culture. The culture in Dallas is not conducive to winning. No accountability and that starts with the GM. The GM has yet to hold himself accountable for football decisions and that matters. There is no doubt in my mind that the players and coaches have all noticed this.

Absolutely true. People here way underestimate how bad it is for a team culture to have the guys at the top be completely unaccountable for their failure while expecting players or coaches to be to be accountable for theirs. It’s like injecting a cancer into the culture. When there’s no accountability at the top, there is no accountability anywhere.

That’s Organizational Health 101. Find me any successful organization that has success after long term failure at the top without change. Save you the time- you won’t. And by “success” I’m not talking about money- I’m talking about championships. Jerry brags about his 3 Lombardis but it’s been so long ago, he has to wipe the dust off them and look at pictures to even remember what happened.

 

[Rayman70]

Absolutely true. People here way underestimate how bad it is for a team culture to have the guys at the top be completely unaccountable for their failure while expecting players or coaches to be to be accountable for theirs. It’s like injecting a cancer into the culture. When there’s no accountability at the top, there is no accountability anywhere.

That’s Organizational Health 101. Find me any successful organization that has long term failure at the top without change. Save you the time- you won’t. And by “success” I’m not talking about money- I’m talking about championships. Jerry brags about his 3 Lombardis but it’s been so long ago, he has to wipe the dust off them and look at pictures to even remember what happened.

well said. I really have nothing to add, you covered it. Exhibit 1: Mike Nolan's response ..defending Jaylon Smith today.

 

[Proof]

I have to disagree, and they also take all sorts of DL's. We have this obsession w/ 3 techs. We take 3 techs and edge rushers almost exclusively. One of the big reasons KC's D has emerged(Best in the NFL over the last 6 games last year) is due to taking starting stalwart NT NNadi in the 3rd and going out and getting Mike Pennel in FA last off. They've spent several 1-3 round picks on DL, including emerging Kpassagnon in the 2nd.

You're really getting into the weeds here. The original post I responded to and objected to was that "they take defensive players early and often" and so does Dallas. And they have the luxury of having one of the best offenses the NFL has ever seen, with possibly the greatest player of all time at the helm. Defense looks a little different when you've got the opposing team stressed at all times.

 

[Rayman70]

THE GREAT dlines in the NFL Have solid 1techs. Look at Philly. They are very stout inside. Strong massive dt's. It takes brute strength and a fatty or 2 to win the leverage battle. We dont have that so far.Poe has been a major disappointment. He is nowhere near what he was. McCoy was never going to be a stud. His better days were behind him. We need to be starting Gallimore next to Hill for the rest of the year. For better or worse. Call up Hamilton from the PS. Time to find out who wants to be here.

 

[kskboys]

You're really getting into the weeds here. The original post I responded to and objected to was that "they take defensive players early and often" and so does Dallas. And they have the luxury of having one of the best offenses the NFL has ever seen, with possibly the greatest player of all time at the helm. Defense looks a little different when you've got the opposing team stressed at all times.

Dall takes CB's and LB's and edge rushers early and often. They don't take D players in general early and often. The "weeds" refers to us ignoring certain positions to our extreme detriment.

 

[Proof]

Dall takes CB's and LB's and edge rushers early and often. They don't take D players in general early and often. The "weeds" refers to us ignoring certain positions to our extreme detriment.

bro... I don't know what to tell you. They've drafted a bunch of defensive players, in line with the teams you originally mentioned. That was my point. I'm not arguing against the rest of your evaluation or thoughts. The discussion has pivoted and is becoming semantics that I don't particularly care about.

 

[kskboys]

bro... I don't know what to tell you. They've drafted a bunch of defensive players, in line with the teams you originally mentioned. That was my point. I'm not arguing against the rest of your evaluation or thoughts. The discussion has pivoted and is becoming semantics that I don't particularly care about.

Yup, time to move on!!!!!!!! We're not going to agree, horsie is dead!!!!

 

[blueblood70]

Here's a 100% fact. You're getting owned in this convo and coming off as a Gump.

nah another opinion from tool is not valid, who crowned you king of this castle? ..

facts are you are the fool if you are looking for in or loss in forum setting..what a tool,,,lmao

 

[Dallyjake]

Why did all teams pass on Watt until the 30th pick? Clearly NFL teams (not just Dallas) made a mistake. Watt's college stats were really not much better than Taco''s though, and Taco was a better scheme fit, so there was some justification. But the Cowboys sure screwed up the talent evaluation, as did a lot of other teams.

I think Marinelli got too much of a say. Watt so much more athletic than Taco. Pedigree of the Watt family genes was not weighted heavy enough. It just makes me sick to see how good TJ is right now. He ruins game plans by himself for Pitt.

 

[CowboysExchange]

I personally think our old dcs were better at squeezing talent out of our marginal players.

The head coach is better imo. But he's just a puppet too. We still have this stupid next man up mentality and never play situational football so NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Lmao.

 

[ottawacowpoke]

Absolutely true. People here way underestimate how bad it is for a team culture to have the guys at the top be completely unaccountable for their failure while expecting players or coaches to be to be accountable for theirs. It’s like injecting a cancer into the culture. When there’s no accountability at the top, there is no accountability anywhere.

That’s Organizational Health 101. Find me any successful organization that has success after long term failure at the top without change. Save you the time- you won’t. And by “success” I’m not talking about money- I’m talking about championships. Jerry brags about his 3 Lombardis but it’s been so long ago, he has to wipe the dust off them and look at pictures to even remember what happened.

Yep. What I find really vexing is that I always thought Jerry wanted to win. I’m pretty sure he used to, anyway. If he still does then he’s completely delusional. Either way, he’s unfit to be an NFL GM.

 

[nathanlt]

The Cowboys should have cut Poe, he forfeits every game prior to kickoff. Until everyone on the team takes a stand and shows some honor to heroes, this season is over. It is not too much to insist players honor those who serve our nation before making 8 million over 2 years, right??

My grandfather lost 95% of his marine company in 1945, all heroes to the nation, from all backgrounds and walks of life. Will you be silent ? Not me. Dallas Cowboy fan for 41 years straight, making a very small sacrifice to stand up for them! I served 20 years myself, and I'm telling you, those heroes need to be honored. No excuses.

 

[Haimerej]

That’s a fact. I saw it too.

Someone around here said they knew someone who worked on the production and that part was faked. Obviously, grain of salt, but at the same time it is, "reality TV."

 

[conner01]

Yeah this defense sucks because of Nolan. No way around it.

Nolan, injuries, bad signings, lack of development
Losing McCoy hurt and Poe hasn’t been good in years
Smith was a great signing
Losing 2 of our top 3 CB’s has hurt
They’ve got hill playing up to his potential
Losing 2 of 3 LB’s hurt
Jaylon is not being used at what he’s best at. Rushing him up the middle isn’t gonna work unless blocking breaks down
Sending him off the edge and using his speed seems much more logical to me
Every time I see him blitz it’s inside
This defense is really, really bad
Punters get an extra week off when we play a team
I never liked Nolan myself but MM has to sit him down and figure this out
No one is getting fired this time of year. We aren’t gonna trade players for some savior that fixes this
For the most part we have what we have and they have to find a way to fix it with what we have