The Relationship Between Cowboys Drafting Success and Head Coaches

[CowboyRoy]

Oh, JG made none of these selections. It's always been JJ/SJ's party; that's why they love JG so much...he doesn't mind. I would swallow my pride for 6M a yr. TR allows JG to look remotely formidable, or it's 1-11.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually, your description of Wade's and Campo's lack of power in the draft was exactly my point as was the circumstances surrounding the other coaches. Once you determine that Wade and Campo had very little power then you come to the conclusion that Jerry Jones had more influence on the draft than he did with, for example, Parcells. With Parcells he often deferred to him. You can compare the results. without a legitmate HC that understood how to build a team, Jerry Jones was lost. His drafts were terrible.

I totally disagree on your take that Garrett is left out. He is absolutely the most influential.

How do I know this? Because he told us exactly how he was going to build the team and the type of personnel he was looking for. He described, in detail, his philosophy for acquiring talent, how competition, not big free agent contracts, would provide the talent while forming the right kind of chemistry. ,He explained that trading away future picks drastically reduced the value of their draft positions and the potential to build a team.

Did you know that all offensive linemen drafted by the Cowboys past the 3rd round were Academic All Americans or Conference? Did you know that the majority of players drafted in the past five seasons were college team captains? Did you know that most of the picks, other than the blue chip 1st rounders, played in college up to their senior year....and that the majority of them graduated with a degree?

That is Jason Garrett.

Have you noticed that the Cowboys have very....very rarely traded a future draft pick away? Have you noticed that they haven't used future high draft picks to trade for a premium veteran since Jason Garrett became HC? Many many fans have seen opportunities to get a premium player and wondered why the Cowboys have never pulled a trigger.

That is Jason Garrett.

Did you notice that, rather than go after a recently available veteran, they prefer to let their current young players compete for the position?

That is Jason Garrett.

Make no mistake about it. This is Jason Garrett's team. He can still find a way to operate despite Jerry Jones's constant sabotage which some describe as contribution. In fact, it's vetry easy to distinguish a Jerry decision from a Jason decision.

McClay has been with the Cowboys since 2002, mostly involved with pro personnel alongside Judd Garrett.

The recent Cowboy drafts in the lower rounds won't set the league on fire but it certainly isn't barren. There has been 435 game appearences by these players during Garrett;'s tenure, that's more than New England, Carolina, and Pittsburgh.

Ok, well like I said. To me the MODERATELY better drafting has coincided with McClay and Stephen Jones stepping up. Head coaches, other than Parcells and Jimmy simply have NOT picked the players here and Garrett is a puppet like the rest. In a way I am actually giving Garrett some credit. No way he picks a guy like Gregory. And we even saw in the war room when the pick was made his discomfort.

The drafts may have been better under if Garrett was actually making all the picks. And certainly 100% we know that Garrett has little say on the defensive players that are picked. Marinelli has been telling them which guys fit his scheme and which dont for years.

If you want to tell me that Garrett has influenced Jones in investing more assets into the Oline, then I might agree to some extent.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Im steal wonder what the plan is...if Romo gets that LAST career ending hit, whats the plan...to late to turn to the draft.

That is the big mystery it seems. They talk about "winning now" and what is best for "this year" then they take a flyer in the 2nd round on a LBer that wont play for at least a year. They also dont bother to upgrade the backup QB position when they talk about it being a top priority in the off season.

 

[BigStar]

Ok, well like I said. To me the MODERATELY better drafting has coincided with McClay and Stephen Jones stepping up. Head coaches, other than Parcells and Jimmy simply have NOT picked the players here and Garrett is a puppet like the rest. In a way I am actually giving Garrett some credit. No way he picks a guy like Gregory. And we even saw in the war room when the pick was made his discomfort.

The drafts may have been better under if Garrett was actually making all the picks. And certainly 100% we know that Garrett has little say on the defensive players that are picked. Marinelli has been telling them which guys fit his scheme and which dont for years.

If you want to tell me that Garrett has influenced Jones in investing more assets into the Oline, then I might agree to some extent.

I think they give McClay a lot of respect for the trade down/Frederick & Williams move. That was a great move and has bought him a "voice" in the draft room and process. That's not a JJ/SJ find; that's a scout find. The Jaylon pick made no sense after not trading up for Lynch. They bet all that on Dodd/Ogbah being there and it blew up so they went with "their" plan C w/Jaylon but again doesn't fit the helping Romo mantra as the Myles Jack pick would have.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think they give McClay a lot of respect for the trade down/Frederick & Williams move. That was a great move and has bought him a "voice" in the draft room and process. That's not a JJ/SJ find; that's a scout find. The Jaylon pick made no sense after not trading up for Lynch. They bet all that on Dodd/Ogbah being there and it blew up so they went with "their" plan C w/Jaylon but again doesn't fit the helping Romo mantra as the Myles Jack pick would have.

The CB at 4 that Jacksonville got, then Dodd in the second would have been a home run. Then maybe they get Jaylon with the 3rd round pick or they trade back up into the 2nd round with one of their extra 4ths if he continues to fall.

To me, if you are serious about improving the defense, that is how you do it. 3 potential starting stud players in one draft. Add that to Thorton then maybe you have something to crow about this year. Go get the RB down the line when you have a more complete team and its your one missing piece. IMHO

 

[BigStar]

The CB at 4 that Jacksonville got, then Dodd in the second would have been a home run. Then maybe they get Jaylon with the 3rd round pick or they trade back up into the 2nd round with one of their extra 4ths if he continues to fall.

To me, if you are serious about improving the defense, that is how you do it. 3 potential starting stud players in one draft. Add that to Thorton then maybe you have something to crow about this year. Go get the RB down the line when you have a more complete team and its your one missing piece. IMHO

Yeah, missing on Dodd/Ogbah made the draft room panic in a sense and makes the Lynch trade look even more positive in hindsight. They wanted D, but I would have gone w/Jack to help the D immediately as plan C. LBs don't play a decade anymore outside of ROLB pass rushers for the most part (London Fletcher comes to mind as an exception).

Jaylon seems like a luxury pick when you have an aging QB w/a short window. Love Zeke bc he's on board, but never been a fan of RBs in the top 5 over the last decade mainly bc you're not getting proper value for such a valuable pick. I was sure it was Ramsey or trade down.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, missing on Dodd/Ogbah made the draft room panic in a sense and makes the Lynch trade look even more positive in hindsight. They wanted D, but I would have gone w/Jack to help the D immediately as plan C. LBs don't play a decade anymore outside of ROLB pass rushers for the most part (London Fletcher comes to mind as an exception).

Jaylon seems like a luxury pick when you have an aging QB w/a short window. Love Zeke bc he's on board, but never been a fan of RBs in the top 5 over the last decade mainly bc you're not getting proper value for such a valuable pick. I was sure it was Ramsey or trade down.

In 2 or 3 years Ramsey will be the emotional and vocal leader of that defense.