The return of DeMarcus Lawrence

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The fact that Lawrence is coming off his second back surgery in consecutive seasons - and not participating in OTA's yet, tells me he will be managed to start the year. Was never a fan of the resources used to draft him, but I think letting him settle back into a rotation on the strong side will work best for him. Will have to see how the Irving suspension plays out, but those two guys should man the LDE rotation.
Crawford, again coming off surgery on his shoulder - again. I have always looked at him as a rotation piece, nothing more, nothing less. The contract he was given was the FO fault, you cant blame the guy for taking it !
Ive said in multiple threads, just let him play 3-tech behind Collins. No more "position Flex" bull**** ! Get his body right and just be a piece of the puzzle. We have depth, maybe no war daddies to speak of, but I think we will have a fairly good rotation all across the front seven this year.
I will hold judgment on who if anyone gets another contract come the end of the season, but I would love for their play this year to make it a tough call for the FO to decide on come next offseason.

I see Irving and Lawrence on the left side and Charlton and Mayowa on the right, but I'm not sure where Tapper fits. I think he could end up on either side.

Hopefully, that does lead to Crawford staying at 3-tech to split time with Collins. He did about as well as could be expected at end, but he's not a 4-3 end.
 

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I see Irving and Lawrence on the left side and Charlton and Mayowa on the right, but I'm not sure where Tapper fits. I think he could end up on either side.

Hopefully, that does lead to Crawford staying at 3-tech to split time with Collins. He did about as well as could be expected at end, but he's not a 4-3 end.
I'm hoping Tapper fits in on that right side with his speed. I also hope that Moore makes the rotation, maybe finally has a coach that can max his potential. Just not sure where he will fit in, maybe he gets an extended look for the 4 game Irving suspension ?
 

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I'm hoping Tapper fits in on that right side with his speed. I also hope that Moore makes the rotation, maybe finally has a coach that can max his potential. Just not sure where he will fit in, maybe he gets an extended look for the 4 game Irving suspension ?

I keep forgetting about Moore. I think he could spend time at every spot but 1-tech.
 
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I see Irving and Lawrence on the left side and Charlton and Mayowa on the right, but I'm not sure where Tapper fits. I think he could end up on either side.

Hopefully, that does lead to Crawford staying at 3-tech to split time with Collins. He did about as well as could be expected at end, but he's not a 4-3 end.
Replace Lawrence with Tapper. I can see Lawrence being the odd man out.

If there is a thread at training camp asking for surprise cuts, Lawrence will be my choice.
 

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This was never a good move from the start. We were coming off another 8-8 season and we decide to forfeit a high draft pick to move up to get a guy who had behavior issues in college and frankly was not even close to worth that kind of move in the draft. I doubt he ever amounts to much at all at this level.
 
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It depends on the point of labeling someone a bust.

If you want to review the decision to draft him, it was still a reasonable decision at the time. If he is a bust it's primarily due to injury but he was not an injury prone player when drafted.

Claiborne on the other hand was a bust partially due to injuries, but much more so due to a poor mental makeup. The team did not interview him prior to that draft because they didn't expect to have the opportunity to draft him. A detailed review of his mental makeup likely would have shown that he had issues. I would blame the decision makers for Claiborne being a bust.

It depends on the point of labeling someone a bust.

If you want to review the decision to draft him, it was still a reasonable decision at the time. If he is a bust it's primarily due to injury but he was not an injury prone player when drafted.

Claiborne on the other hand was a bust partially due to injuries, but much more so due to a poor mental makeup. The team did not interview him prior to that draft because they didn't expect to have the opportunity to draft him. A detailed review of his mental makeup likely would have shown that he had issues. I would blame the decision makers for Claiborne being a bust.

For the most part, I would say any pick in the 2nd or first round that isnt good enough to sign an extension would be considered a bust. Now you always have isolated situations like with Demarco Murray where that is not the case. Although he was a 3rd round pick.

But lest be honest, Lawrence isnt anything special anyway. Injuries or no injuries.
 
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Two years ago, it looked like trading up to draft Lawrence was going to turn out to be a great move. After moving and adjusting to playing left end, Lawrence was becoming a terror against both the run and the pass in 2015, consistently in the backfield, after missing a lot of his rookie year and flashing during the playoffs in 2014.

Then came the suspension and back problems, and we only saw a brief flash of the Lawrence of 2015 last year. With him coming off back surgery, we may never see that player again, but we at least were shown what Lawrence can be when he's healthy.

I consider him a lot like Tyrone Crawford, another player who gets flak for his play dropping off. Crawford played like he was on his way to being a star at 3-tech in 2014, virtually keeping free agent acquisition Henry Melton in a rotation role. He only ended up with three sacks, but Crawford's disruption was easy to see. The next year, he actually recorded five sacks and started all 16 games, but it also was easy to see that he wasn't as disruptive and it turned out that he played through barely being able to lift one of his arms above his head.

Injuries continued to limit his effectiveness last year, despite the fact he had 4.5 sacks mostly playing out of position at left end, and may keep us from ever seeing the Crawford of 2014 again.

If healthy and the injuries haven't taken a toll, though, I have no doubt that both of these players could contribute to this defense being able to apply more pressure. It'll be interesting to see if those injuries lead to younger, healthier replacements taking their reps or if they end up leading the charge instead.
Return? He's been the same since we drafted him
 

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I think Tank has 12-sack ability. It's the availability and the want-to I question. If he goes off for 12 and stays healthy Dallas will likely re-sign him. And they should. But it's not very likely he puts it all together
 

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I think Tank has 12-sack ability. It's the availability and the want-to I question. If he goes off for 12 and stays healthy Dallas will likely re-sign him. And they should. But it's not very likely he puts it all together
If he did happen to get 12 sacks, what type of contract would you sign him to if you were Stephen?
 
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If he did happen to get 12 sacks, what type of contract would you sign him to if you were Stephen?
I know you didn't ask me but.........I would franchise him and see if he can do it again in 2018.

It's dangerous to sign anybody to a big deal with only one year of production.....and that year being a contract year.
 

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I would franchise him and see if he can do it again in 2018.
That would hypothetically be a good idea, but the 2017 franchise tag number for D-ends is $16.934 million. And that number will go up in 2018. There's no way I'd pay Lawrence that based on his history, even if he did have a great season. Would you?
 
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That would hypothetically be a good idea, but the 2017 franchise tag number for D-ends is $16.934 million. And that number will go up in 2018. There's no way I'd pay Lawrence that based on his history, even if he did have a great season. Would you?
If he had 12 sacks? Maybe. Guys like that are very hard to find. That's why they cost so much

But I don't sign him long term. Besides being a one year wonder (hypothetically), he also has an injury history.
 
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