The Romo Problem

[cowboyzz11]

The criticism of Dez and Olgetree isn't even the part I had a problem with. That makes me think that you ARE a troll, seeing as you assumed it was :laugh2:

No, my problem is that you would are saying that Norman is better than Claiborne after 6 games into their careers, based soley on the tackles in today's game.

And that you think teams can nonchalantly draft QBs that are better than Romo like its Madden 2010.

ok where was N orman when Austin scored the touchdown right on his back

where was Claiborne when LaFell scored 3 yards behind

great for number 6 pick

 

[plymkr]

This was a great OP, a good example of this point is L. Robinson. It would be a hard argument to win that Robinson is more physically talented than Dez but he knew the position and knew Tony well. It's hard watching Dez with all of his potential and he's not smart enough to keep his pants up on and off the field much less learn the playbook. Or he's just lazy and doesn't spend the time it takes to learn the play book. Otree is not a surprise, but I am really surprised with Austin. I'm getting frustrated that the coaches appear to try and make Dez the #1 receiver when Miles has proven to be more capable IMO.

I respectfully disagree with Ender, I don't*think it's fair to put Romo on the list of reasons why this team has been average the last couple years. Without Romo we would be fair below average, he's the only reason I actually expect we might win games. If Romo leaves for FA and we have to start over then we will fully understand how good Romo is and how bad the oline is and the receivers.

I think Romo is making more mistakes this season for a couple reasons, 1, bad judgment calls that are on him, 2, the oline is so bad he doesn't have faith they will give him the time and 3, the receivers are not on the same page. Which all adds up to the 5th and final reason is he has to go into every game knowing if he has to compensate for other team mates weaknesses which compels him to make what I call jedi plays (yes I'm a star wars fan, go ahead and laugh, I'm comfortable with who I am) and these jedi plays really exacerbate reason #1.

 

[pgreptom]

Alan Ball Cowboys (2007-11), recording 105 total tackles (83 solo) and three INTs.

so your saying that Claiborne will be a hall of famer ?


and get your magic eight ball out

I still take a 5 rounder who can stick to Austin any day over Claiborne where was he on that Carolina TD 3 yards behind L a Fell

Wow. You're serious. Alan Ball may have been a bad example, the point I was trying to make(but you missed) was that tackle stats have nothing to do with judging a cornerback. Deion Sanders never had that many tackles and was hands down one of the best to ever play the game. Of course Claiborne isn't a hall of famer..

Here are the real stats you should know:

Claiborne - 1 pick
Norman - 0 picks
Austin - 5 receptions for 97 yards.. 1 touchdown.

Games Claiborne has lost in the last 2 minutes by getting torched - 0
Norman - 1

Go to bed you drunken fool.

 

[JBond]

I disagree. And here's why.

Dez will NEVER have the understanding of a defense like Tony now exhibits. Just won't happen.

I fear Ogletree will also be the brother-in-law that is forever out of a job and has some ugly girl knocked up because he can't think.

It's almost like Romo is now speaking a different language than the team around him.

Do you believe all players know all the assignments of all their team mates on every play?

I bet Romo does. I bet Lee does.

I think Murray may end up being like that.

I doubt many more on this team know the assignments of all the players on their side of the ball.

Now factor in the defense and what they are showing and what they ultimately will do.

He's on another level now and that means he has to calm his play and understand what he gets from them. In other words dumb it down a bit.

Or get smarter players.

Great post. The defense is very good, maybe special. Other issues override a good effort. I am excited about the defense.

 

[KB1122]

Of course. Tony Romo. It's all everybody else's fault and he's too good for us!

 

[cowboyzz11]

Go to bed you drunken fool

so sorry don't drink

just call them like i see them

 

[KB1122]

This was a great OP, a good example of this point is L. Robinson. It would be a hard argument to win that Robinson is more physically talented than Dez but he knew the position and knew Tony well. It's hard watching Dez with all of his potential and he's not smart enough to keep his pants up on and off the field much less learn the playbook. Or he's just lazy and doesn't spend the time it takes to learn the play book. Otree is not a surprise, but I am really surprised with Austin. I'm getting frustrated that the coaches appear to try and make Dez the #1 receiver when Miles has proven to be more capable IMO.

Laurent Robinson caught 54 ball last year. Dez is on pace for, what, over 100? MIles is on pace for 60-some, I think.

 

[TheDude]

Go to bed you drunken fool

so sorry don't drink

just call them like i see them

If this is your schtick, try to be mildly humorous.

 

[JBond]

Laurent Robinson caught 54 ball last year. Dez is on pace for, what, over 100? MIles is on pace for 60-some, I think.

Who was special? Robinson was completely unexpected. Results matter.

 

[KB1122]

Sure, Romo might have thrown INT's on those plays, but so what?

In a very general sense, it's "the whole team." More specifically though, the receiver whom everyone agreed he counted on most has been replaced by the receiver he can count on least, and sure enough we're seeing the effect play out.

But if you're an elite quarterback, this shouldn't matter. It wouldn't for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. They would find ways to get the touchdown.

 

[plymkr]

Robinson responded well when tony had to scramble and he also had more td's than the others but Austin was out for quite a few games. But anyway that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I'm not trying to say Laurent was our best receiver. I'm saying he seemed to show football IQ and that made up for his overall less talent level. But my main point is if tony doesn't fully trust his online to block well then he will struggle. Also I think when things break down cuz of the oline he tries to make Jedi plays, or gunslinger plays or whatever you want to call them and that turns to a big play either for us or the opponent. Give Tony a upgraded oline and he can give us a Super Bowl victory.

And I pray Romo signs a long term contract with Dallas, cuz without him we're screwed and I don't think our gm will be able to get a talent like Romo again.

 

[Clove]

I keep hearing people say, folks don't know the audibles, people aren't lined up right, people running the wrong routes, and I simply laugh.

I have no clue as to what route these guys are running, or supposed to run why? Because I don't know what audible they called, and Because I don't know what play they called, but maybe all of you do.

 

[Doomsday]

The problem is that the WRs don't have a clue how to read coverage and adjust accordingly. The previous poster was correct. The only two who see what Tony sees and reacts accordingly are Witten and Austin. Ogletree has the physical talent to be adequate. He is what Romo said he was last season. Stupid. Ditto for Dez. All the talent in the world won't cover up the level of dumb in that kid.

Then get rid of all the reads. The Giants dont run very many option routes and their WRs are out there tearing it up. Maybe they are making things more complex then they need to be.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I bet that if we had guys that were always where they were supposed to be, but less physically talented, we'd be a much more successful offense.

I'd prefer to have both, but I bet being in the right spot is much more imporant.

 

[Sarge]

If you're right, TwoDeep, then that's a coaching issue. You can't just call all our players on offense stupid. That's too easy and not very realistic. If they don't know what he knows, something's wrong with the coaching.

BINGO.

 

[Zordon]

The problem with that thinking though is a good portion of those 11 TDs came on busted plays and Romo extended the play to find him after the initial coverage broke down.

Did we forget that almost INT he threw today trying to extend the play?

I know that Romo is a good QB but he too has had his errors with situational football.

It's the whole team.

cosign this post. romo along with the receivers, oline, the backs, jason's schemes/mgmt, and jerry's talent evaluation all deserve some blame for their lack of production this year. you can't just continually blame the parts around romo every game when it is also evident that romo has missed some throws and made some mistakes this year as well. does he deserve the majority of the blame? heck no, but he does deserve some.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

I stared to put this in a thread as an answer, but it occurs to me this may need its own space.

Romo has attained a level of understanding about this game that only the elite players have. Not to say the run of the mill QB's don't see it, perhaps. But an understanding of what works and what doesn't is where Romo is now.

What makes Peyton, Brady, Rogers, and Brees special. Certainly it's the talent they possess. But it also is a complete understanding of their teams strengths and weaknesses and what the defense is doing.

But there is one other aspect to the top flight QB.

And that is the collective intelligence of the team surrounding him.

Romo is audibling like crazy. He sees where the ball needs to go. But too many times the people who surround Tony are not on the same page. They do not have the understanding.

This comes down to it takes a team. But this is less the talent the team has than the brains the team has that surrounds Romo.

Factor in the offensive line weaknesses, and Romo now seems to appear as if he is struggling, and what is different between this year and the ones when he wqas in complete control?

He has a finite window for success on every play, but getting his pieces into place is not always a done deal.

I think the combination of the line play along with the intelligence factor, and that Romo is now not playing sand lot football but directing a team that doesn't see what he sees is the biggest reason he is not as successful this year.

Put the team around him that will protect him and get to the spot he deems necessary and this guy will take the team all the way.

And if this is the case, then how sad is it that a guy who is mentally and physically in the top level of the game has to suffer not only from a lack of talent, but the fact that his team doesn't have a big brain like Brad.

He is truly unique.

Kinda funny in a way. I have the same problem with " SOME" Cowboys fans because I saw this same thing you are seeing over three years ago. Why is everybody so late to the party?! LOL

Hopefully it wont take our receivers as long to get on the same page as Romo. Point blank......Romo needs to dumb his game down a little and the rest of the O has to pull theirs up a little.

 

[jobberone]

That's probably true.

Some argued last season that Robinson was essentially really the #2 WR.

It makes you question, however, why the heck they overloaded on CB in the offseason at the expense of #3 WR and OL.

Carr is a good player, but you kinda wonder, in hindsight, if that $10m year could have been spent more effectively.

I can't answer the question about Carr's cost effectiveness. I think the secondary is playing reasonably well and will get better.

I believe the reason they went defense is Ryan needs good CB play to run his defense. Last season the D failed the team though before it was generally the O being the weaker link. I think they felt if they got the D in reasonable order they could compete with the O they had. I'm sure they would have liked to address the OL but they couldn't do any better considering the cap and other needs.

Personally, I feel they made a good decision. I think the D will keep us in a lot of games assuming we don't turn the ball over too much.

Right now it's the O that's the biggest problem. Losing Costa is a big blow. Seems that position is cursed this year.

 

[anj113]

I LOVE Romo, but im not sure he is as smart as your making him out to be... HE is more of an improvise make something happen type of player.. he plays off insticts and his athletic ability... Im NOT knocking him at all, I LOVE the man, I just think if he has a weakness I think thats it... Im not sure he is as smart as your making him out to be.... By no means am I saying the guy is dumb, thats not my point.

One constant with me, and yes I bash this team because im so frustrated year after year ( and trust me I hate to ), but I have always LOVED Romo...I think he is a very very good QB and we can with him....Im sick of the crap the poor guy has to take week after week, but we all know it comes with being the QB of the Dallas Cowboys....By no means is he perfect ( who is ) but Im happy he is my QB...

 

[TwoDeep3]

Kinda funny in a way. I have the same problem with " SOME" Cowboys fans because I saw this same thing you are seeing over three years ago. Why is everybody so late to the party?! LOL

Hopefully it wont take our receivers as long to get on the same page as Romo. Point blank......Romo needs to dumb his game down a little and the rest of the O has to pull theirs up a little.

Because three years ago he wasn't there.