The Rooney Rule is stupid

MarionBarberThe4th

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The only reason it exists is because you sound like a reverse racism card playing whiney brat* when you question it......

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But really, it assumes racism.



By the way. Where is the Pat Summit rule for the NBA?
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2815899 said:
The only reason it exists is because you sound like a reverse racism card playing whiney brat* when you question it......

woops



But really, it assumes racism.



By the way. Where is the Pat Summit rule for the NBA?

What is the point of starting this thread right now?

Is there a single NFL team looking for a head coach right now? Nope. So this is kind of a moot point.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2815899 said:
The only reason it exists is because you sound like a reverse racism card playing whiney brat* when you question it......

woops



But really, it assumes racism.



By the way. Where is the Pat Summit rule for the NBA?

Are you really this starved for attention?

The Rooney rule is a good thing because it gets some coaches attention they would not have otherwise had. All it does is force owners to take an interview or two more than they likely would have and is doing a little more homework before hiring a coach bad???

In case you didn't realize the humor of your attempted logic the NBA is still run by very rich, very white men. For a sport played mostly by Euros or African-Americans there are an awful lot of white American owners, general managers and coaches.
 

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jterrell;2815951 said:
Are you really this starved for attention?

The Rooney rule is a good thing because it gets some coaches attention they would not have otherwise had. All it does is force owners to take an interview or two more than they likely would have and is doing a little more homework before hiring a coach bad???

In case you didn't realize the humor of your attempted logic the NBA is still run by very rich, very white men. For a sport played mostly by Euros or African-Americans there are an awful lot of white American owners, general managers and coaches.

Bunch of rich white guys. The good ol' boys club, eh? Who cares?!
 

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jterrell;2815951 said:
Are you really this starved for attention?

The Rooney rule is a good thing because it gets some coaches attention they would not have otherwise had. All it does is force owners to take an interview or two more than they likely would have and is doing a little more homework before hiring a coach bad???

In case you didn't realize the humor of your attempted logic the NBA is still run by very rich, very white men. For a sport played mostly by Euros or African-Americans there are an awful lot of white American owners, general managers and coaches.



I dont see your point. Pat White has won 1,000 games and multiple titles, yet not even an interview. How is that fair?
 

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Muhast;2815948 said:
What is the point of starting this thread right now?

Is there a single NFL team looking for a head coach right now? Nope. So this is kind of a moot point.


They just expanded the rule to management positions.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2815973 said:
I dont see your point. Pat White has won 1,000 games and multiple titles, yet not even an interview. How is that fair?

You are on a roll tonight.

Pat White is a draftee.
Pat Summit is a COLLEGE Coach.

Where are Dean Smith and Bob Knight's NBA interviews?
They are both old and white and very successful.

But it has nothing to do with it.
The NBA recycles.

Half the current coaches or General Managers were players back in the segregation or near segregation era.

The NBA has it's own entire women's league.
 

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jterrell;2815993 said:
You are on a roll tonight.

Pat White is a draftee.
Pat Summit is a COLLEGE Coach.

Where are Dean Smith and Bob Knight's NBA interviews?
They are both old and white and very successful.

But it has nothing to do with it.
The NBA recycles.

Half the current coaches or General Managers were players back in the segregation or near segregation era.

The NBA has it's own entire women's league.


An entire league and not one womens assistant coach?

The ratio of black NFL coaches to available positions doesnt seem to jump out in any way.
 

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jterrell;2815993 said:
You are on a roll tonight.

Pat White is a draftee.
Pat Summit is a COLLEGE Coach.

Where are Dean Smith and Bob Knight's NBA interviews?
They are both old and white and very successful.

But it has nothing to do with it.
The NBA recycles.

Half the current coaches or General Managers were players back in the segregation or near segregation era.

The NBA has it's own entire women's league.


cute reply.

I must have forgotten her name since the 1st post in the thread.
 

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The idea was good but how it was put into practice is not. The idea was to get more black coaches interviews. From what I can tell, most owners do what they want anyway, so they slip past this rule by interviewing coaches who they'd never consider hiring. I think that's insulting, to be honest.

At a broader level, I hate the idea of looking at percentages. More than 50% of NFL athletes are black, but only 10% of coaches are. Is that really an injustice? Remember, blacks only make up 11% of the US population. Therefore, 11% is a perfectly legitimate number if one assumes you do NOT need to be a former NFL player to be a successful coach.

Now, if you want to start a 100-page thread, maybe you should ask the opposite question. Why do blacks make up more than 50% of NFL players and 80% of NBA players when they make up 10% of the population, and why are there so few Asian and Hispanics?

By the way, I'm not asking, because I don't care. So don't answer. :)
 

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The Rooney Rule Is Illegal (And So Is Expanding It) [Roger Clegg, NRO]

The National Football League is considering the expansion of the “Rooney Rule” to the hiring of general managers. The rule, now limited to head coaches, requires at least one minority to be interviewed by a team filling a vacancy.

But this is clearly illegal. Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits racial discrimination in private employment, and that’s what this is. The statute covers hiring, of course, and also makes it illegal for an employer to “classify his . . . applicants for employment” in a way that denies equal treatment on the basis of race.

It might be objected that there’s no harm here, since it’s only requiring an additional interview. But suppose the shoe were on the other foot, and the requirement was that at least one white candidate always be interviewed. Would that fly?

And there will be harm. Suppose that a team normally narrows the field to four candidates and then interviews them. If it keeps this rule, then if you’re white candidate number four, you’re out of luck, because now you have to make way for the minority interviewee. Suppose the team decides to interview a fifth candidate instead. Well, the minority coach who was the tenth choice now leapfrogs over white candidates six, seven, eight, and nine — all out of luck because they are the wrong color. And, of course, if the minority candidate is hired, then one of the white finalists — the one who would have gotten the job otherwise — is out of luck, too.
 

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bbgun;2816036 said:
The Rooney Rule Is Illegal (And So Is Expanding It) [Roger Clegg, NRO]

The National Football League is considering the expansion of the “Rooney Rule” to the hiring of general managers. The rule, now limited to head coaches, requires at least one minority to be interviewed by a team filling a vacancy.

But this is clearly illegal. Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits racial discrimination in private employment, and that’s what this is. The statute covers hiring, of course, and also makes it illegal for an employer to “classify his . . . applicants for employment” in a way that denies equal treatment on the basis of race.

It might be objected that there’s no harm here, since it’s only requiring an additional interview. But suppose the shoe were on the other foot, and the requirement was that at least one white candidate always be interviewed. Would that fly?

And there will be harm. Suppose that a team normally narrows the field to four candidates and then interviews them. If it keeps this rule, then if you’re white candidate number four, you’re out of luck, because now you have to make way for the minority interviewee. Suppose the team decides to interview a fifth candidate instead. Well, the minority coach who was the tenth choice now leapfrogs over white candidates six, seven, eight, and nine — all out of luck because they are the wrong color. And, of course, if the minority candidate is hired, then one of the white finalists — the one who would have gotten the job otherwise — is out of luck, too.


That last paragraph is dumb.

You narrow it down to any number you want. Regardless of race.

Didnt we interview Ron Rivera for this thing? Pointless, he ran Chicagos 4-3. And at the same time the best candidates on your list might be Mike Singletary, Leslie Fraizer, and Marvin Lewis. You interview the best candidates for your team.


Hypothetically, Mike Holmgren wants to coach the Cowboys next year. Would they really have to go through a mock interview w/ some candidate?

Same goes if it were Tony Dungy. Its a no brainer. It would be pointless to bring in a white guy for an interview.(I know the rule doesnt go that way, just an example of the"no harm done")
 

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Regardless of the rule, the team is going to hire the guy that they think has the best chance to make their organization successful. He can be orange, red, yellow or purple.

I think that has proven true over the years, at least recently anyway.
 

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I doubt any "worthy and qualified" white coach has been bypassed in favor of a less qualified minority because of the Rooney Rule.

We still got Bill Parcells and we still got Wade Phillips, two hires in which Jerry Jones (whether people want to disagree with him or not) stated that these were the most qualified individuals for the job.
 

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I also think the Rooney rule is ridiculous. It does assume racism, and that's just stupid. Teams should interview who they think is best for the job, not throw in a black candidate just to fit some stupid rule.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2816067 said:
I doubt any "worthy and qualified" white coach has been bypassed in favor of a less qualified minority because of the Rooney Rule.

What's the point of the rule? If these black candidates were best for the job, they would most likely be getting an interview anyway.
 

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I don't know what is being assumed.

What I do know is that the NFL was not forced to institute The Rooney Rule, it took a look at some quantitative data based upon demographics and hiring trends and decided on its own that it would go down this road.

Just glancing at The Rooney Rule on wiki, it states before the rule, minorities made up about 6% of the coaching ranks and in 2006, it was 22%. Now can that be attributed to The Rooney Rule, I have no idea.

As I stated, the NFL decided they wanted this policy.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2815973 said:
I dont see your point. Pat White has won 1,000 games and multiple titles, yet not even an interview. How is that fair?

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Pat White does not approve of your thread.
 

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Fletch;2815958 said:
Bunch of rich white guys. The good ol' boys club, eh? Who cares?!

You are such the progressive thinker with your assumptions of racism. Many white people accept reverse racism, so they can announce what anti-racist they are.
 
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