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  1. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    What was it truly designed for. Some would like to believe parity. Others would like to believe it controls the peak amount of money one player that one position can receive. There is not one contract that is absolutely 100% guaranteed. Everyone can be manipulated. With that being said. Salary cap is and never will be an issue for the franchises. Some people actually believe it was designed to control the amount of money that a player can actually receive as an excuse.I myself have never seen the franchise not sign a player that they wanted because of the Space.
  2. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    Salary Cap is Fake News – the Dallas Cowboys Can Re-sign Everyone
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  3. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    Without a salary.......good lord. Jerry ( younger version ) would have quickly bought at least 2 Super Bowls. Think young George Steinbrenner and Yankees .......LOL
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  4. Hennessy_King

    Hennessy_King Well-Known Member

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    It's because the NFLPA is the worst union I've ever seen at getting important things for it's members. Like criminally bad.
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  5. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Moderator

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    Evaluate leaguewide competition during the modern professional football era before and after 1994. If anyone believes afterwards parity was not firmly introduced when the current salary cap and free agency system began, nothing will convince them otherwise.

    There is always the failsafe fallback counter-comment. "PATRIOTS!!!" :rolleyes:
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  6. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Kirk Cousins in 2018 signed a 3 years 84m contract fully guaranteed and this offseason signed a 2 year extension (2021-2022) for 66m that is also fully guaranteed
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  7. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    Jerry was his own demise of the salary cap. The and firing Jimmy, though Jimmy instigated that. Anyway, he had a team built to win 4 SB's in a row, but the refs took that 3rd one away.. Heck they could have wain 5 in an 8 year span. But his FA and salary cap plans bit him in his own butt. Tore the team apart. But even his own mismanagement of the cap at first, cost us many draft as they drafted ST's players and back ups.

    It was to create parity to help the smaller market teams get players or keep players so they could be competitive. Actually it worked to a degree, though teams found ways to manipulate it. Some even cheated in other ways. And to keep the big market teams, from accumulating all the top players. As mentioned above, buying titles.

    Now has it really worked and is it still working, well it did get some teams to a SB that never got there or got close before. Other than the Browns and Lions, and even Jerry's team. Most teams have got to a championship game. Add the Bengals, and that Football Team in DC.
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  8. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    The cap was designed to protect owners from themselves and to make sure small market teams could compete
  9. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    I apparently live on a different planet.

    On the planet I have lived on, the Cowboys have spent a good bit of the past 25 years in cap hell. They frequently have to let players go that they wouldn't otherwise, like Jones just this year. Many years they can't even think about bringing in competition for spots because they are hamstrung with the cap. Free agency is a fairy tale that cowboy fans tell their little kids exists in bed time stories.

    if Jerry had no cap, I think it would be stunning what would actually happen. He would spend like the Yankees used to, just buying up titles every year or at least trying. He would never let anyone go worth a dam and he would sign the top free agents every year or take a run at them.
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  10. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    The salary cap is designed to protect revenue, that's all.

    Any other spin - parity, small market protection, etc. - is secondary.
  11. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    Even the small market protection and parity points really go back to protecting revenue because the more competitive the league is, the healthier it is, and the more overall revenue there is. It's all about keeping the league healthy, competitive and profitable.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2020
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  12. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Protecting the small markets and having more competitive games(parity) is part of protecting the revenue stream.
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  13. kskboys

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    I'm amazed at how little understanding there is of the ramifications of the salary cap.
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  14. gjkoeppen

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    The salary cap was started because of two teams, the packers and the browns. Those two teams convinced enough owners that most teams then were at a disadvantage at being able to sign the best free agents because of a couple of billionaire owners who could afford to outspend the other owners for players. By starting the cap it took that advantage away from those couple teams making all teams having the same amount of money each year to work with. The cap was never about parity but to create an even playing field for getting players.

    As of right now there is 1 player contract who when in 2018 signed a 3 year deal was 100% guaranteed. He signed a 2 year extension earlier this year that the last year of that 3 year 100% guaranteed contract isn't fully guaranteed but starting in 2021 it again is 100% guaranteed.

    The salary cap will always be an issue for all teams. All of the teams have seen what happens when a team does a poor job of handling their caps and how long it takes to clear those mistakes up and what repercussions mismanaging their caps can cause. Teams have renegotiated contracts to be able to sign a free agent they want but this caused money added as dead money down the road and is part of those repercussions of doing that. Teams have done those renegotiating contracts thinking that player will put them over the top and win the Super Bowl but when it doesn't happen signing that player often puts the team further away because of not having as much money in following years to resign their biggest stars.
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  15. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    I guess what you are saying is that you don't get it?

    The salary cap definitely matters. Teams can do plenty of short term things, but eventually they have to pay the piper. We saw this with the Cowboys play out over the last 20 years. You must have missed all that.
  16. Bobhaze

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    The salary cap was and remains primarily to protect the owners and their lust for ever increasing revenue.

    If you’re a person who typically sides with ownership in money squabbles, think of things this way...If every owner in the NFL was replaced by another owner, would the game be the same? Of course. If every current NFL player was cut and replaced, would the game be the same? No way.

    Owning an NFL team is one of the lowest risks there is. The current pandemic threatens that a little, but the owners will be fine. The players on the other hand put their physical bodies on the line for years. I think fans too often overvalue the owners’ risks and undervalue the risks the players have.

    The salary cap is a gift to the owners. Plain and simple.
  17. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    The cap is a restraint. Jerry saw the trend with salaries. He realized that eventually player salary demands would outpace what teams could pay. The first cap concept with no Rookie Cap severely damaged the league. The second one is better but it is also starting towards the Cap Apocalypse due to the decline of talent, a bunch of very good players, very few great players.
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  18. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    I would like to believe that one word Garrett
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  19. gjkoeppen

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    Here's two reasons why your thinking that the cap is a gift to all NFL owners isn't really true. First, Jones bought the Cowboys before there was a salary cap and was happy the way things were. The Cowboys were even then the highest valued team in the NFL and ranked 4th in the world behind some European soccer teams. Jones was happy being free to spend what he wanted to build the deepest team in the NFL and win 3 Super Bowls. The start of the cap actually severely hurt the Cowboys that went on for 20 years.

    The second reason is there have been new owners in the league since the cap started. If the cap was such a gift why would some decide to sell out. Lets start with Art Model. He made some poor NFL business decisions before there was a cap and then that what you call a gift started and that still didn't help Model. He tried moving the franchise to Baltimore and with getting a new stadium that wasn't going to cost the team anything for the 1st 10 years still wasn't enough and he had to sell the team and file bankruptcy. Now there have been 30 new owners in the NFL since the cap started. Now of those 30, 13 are relatives of the previous owners who either died or retired. 1 was an order by the league to sell his team.because of personal things he did as an owner. That leaves 16 owners that were added as single owners or added as part owners but why would that happen if the cap was such a gift? The reason is because of all of the things you either haven't thought of or don't know about that eat up revenue the owners get. Besides all of the employees other than players that come out of the cap they pay for coaches, doctors, trainers, scouts, administrative help, the travel expenses for the team, except this season training camps in other cities, hotels on away games and all the food, the cost of all the uniforms, pay for the maintenance staff that care for the practice facilities and stadiums. The staff that clean all the uniforms and polish all the helmets after games. And just like players who have to pay income taxes in all the states and countries they play in (except those that don't have state income taxes like Texas and Florida) the owners have to pay those same income taxes for the team. After all the expenses are taken out the owner's net pay it is much less than what most fans think it is. Yes it a lot more than what we make, but is not as much as what most think.

    Your example of if all the owners were changed and if the game would still be the same is poor at best. The owners don't play the game and all the rules would be the same. The you asked the same about players and in your hypothetical question if all the replacement players had the same exact talent yes the game would be the same. How about this hypothetical idea. What if all of the players contracts were wiped clean and all of the players contracts then fit under the cap and in that year and future years there's no dead money on any team's cap would the game be the same. My guess is yes but none of the hypotheticals will ever happen.
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  20. Bobhaze

    Bobhaze Well-Known Member

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    Good stuff here. Don’t agree 100% but well stated!

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