THE SCARIEST Answer Mick Gave was the last one

CaptainAmerica

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...was the last one!! What makes it scary is that it was Mick who said it and he does at times throw out hints about possible future moves in the Cowboys organization.

I hope Mick wasn't serious or I hope he hasn't heard any inside whispers about our potential future HC, when he casually threw in...."As for a replacement, how about Auburn head coach Tommy Tuberville"?

PLEASE NO!!!!!

That makes absolutely NO sense with the commitment we've given to the 3-4 and the overall team concept Parcells is putting in place.

Tuberville is a "figure head" HC, much in the form of a "Barry Switzer" type HC. His background on defense is also totally 4-3.

Please Jerry, say NO to Tubberville. Good college coach, but he is NOT NFL material!
 

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I couldn't agree more. I'd rather hire Zimmer than Tuberville.
How about Al Groh? Charlie Weis is a pipe dream.
 

Alexander

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All of the college coaches being linked to us scare me (except Weis).

Tuberville, Houston Nutt, Les Miles-- :eek:

I would take Mike Zimmer in an instant over any of them.
 

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Our Next HC will prolly be an established NFL entity. Holmgren, Shannahan, or even 62 year old Dan Reeves. I don't think Jerry wants to go through the Gailey/Campo type scenarios anymore.
 

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F the 3-4.

The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.
 

Alexander

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Eddie said:
The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.

Good luck with that.

Unless it is an established coach with a track record like Bill Parcells, the chances of that happening are very slim.
 

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I don't think at this point I would believe any rumors about a future coach.
I can't remember, how many had us linked with Parcells before he was hired?
None, I think.
 

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I think it is difficult to speculate on the next HC...Parcells has not given any indication of stepping down and if he dose I am sure he will have some imput and his track record for coaches learning from him are very good...If Parcells coaches another 2 or 3 years it would be very hard to saywhat the coaching landscape would be...Zimmer could be HC with another team and maybe Weis falls flat on his face...Alot of times the hot names today are has beens tomarrow...
Myself I wont worry about Parcells replacement I will just enjoy the time while he is here.
 

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Eddie said:
F the 3-4.

The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.
Yeah...switch back to the 4-3, now that we have the pieces to play the 3-4 for the next 10 years.

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Eddie said:
F the 3-4.

The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.

Do you ever have anything positive to say? I mean I have noticed that since the draft you have been acting like the girlfriend who got dumped for a model. Or I may be wrong and you have always been like that or do you just not like BP, TO and JJ?
 

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Alexander said:
All of the college coaches being linked to us scare me (except Weis).

Tuberville, Houston Nutt, Les Miles-- :eek:

I would take Mike Zimmer in an instant over any of them.
Les has to be a joke right?
 

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Eddie said:
F the 3-4.

The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.


I totally agree.

That being said I'd like to see us hire another good 3-4 coach. Saban, Weis, Groh, etc.
 

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Eddie said:
F the 3-4.

The new head coach will decide which defense he prefers ... NOT Jerry Jones.


Eddie,

I'm sorry but your way off-base. This has nothing to do with Jerry.
This has to do with transitioning this team for the past 4 years to a 3-4 D with all of our personnel and then going out and picking a college HC, with NO NFL experience who has an exclusively 4-3 background. That's just stupid.

I just hope Mick was talking off the top of his head and doesn't really believe that about Tubervile.
 

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superpunk said:
Yeah...switch back to the 4-3, now that we have the pieces to play the 3-4 for the next 10 years.

We have the pieces to play either.
 

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mschmidt64 said:
We have the pieces to play either.

Our pieces are tailor-made for a 3-4. We switch to a 4-3, we need better DTs, Ware needs to go back to DE, which he's probably too small for, and then we have problems filling our OLB positions - because our current options are probably a little too big. Ayodele has no position, and we have a logjam of young DL who don't really fit a 4-3 as well as they do a 3-4.

Sorry, but I'd hate to see a two-year overhaul thrown in the crapper like that.
 

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superpunk said:
Our pieces are tailor-made for a 3-4. We switch to a 4-3, we need better DTs, Ware needs to go back to DE, which he's probably too small for, and then we have problems filling our OLB positions - because our current options are probably a little too big. Ayodele has no position, and we have a logjam of young DL who don't really fit a 4-3 as well as they do a 3-4.

Sorry, but I'd hate to see a two-year overhaul thrown in the crapper like that.

I agree with this 100%. We've commited to the 3-4 and we might as well use the peices that we've gathered in the best way. Spears is a 3-4 end... too big for a 4-3 end and too small for a 4-3 DT. Same goes for Hatcher and Canty. They'd be okay as a nickel 4-3 DT... but they'd get run over on running downs. Ware might be okay as a 4-3 end... but he'd get run over on running downs too. Carpenter is a much better fit as a 3-4 LB than a 4-3 LB. Same goes for Ayodele. That's why we got him in free agency. He's talented, but he just isn't a real good fit in the Jags 4-3... so they let him go. Good move for them... good move for us picking him up because of the D we play. Stanley and Fergy would do okay at DT in a 4-3... but really we'd need a quick Warren Sapp/Laroi Glover type. Pepper Johnson might be that guy, or he might not.

Bottom line is, we have talent on D... but it is talent that fits better in a 3-4 than a 4-3.
 

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superpunk said:
Our pieces are tailor-made for a 3-4. We switch to a 4-3, we need better DTs, Ware needs to go back to DE, which he's probably too small for, and then we have problems filling our OLB positions - because our current options are probably a little too big. Ayodele has no position, and we have a logjam of young DL who don't really fit a 4-3 as well as they do a 3-4.

Sorry, but I'd hate to see a two-year overhaul thrown in the crapper like that.

Ware isn't too small for DE.

He's 250+.

He's the same size as Jason Taylor, John Abraham, and any number of other good DE's around the league. When you combine in the amazing depth we'll have, you'll get to give him some breathers, and he'd be fine playing a lot of snaps there.

Spears is a natural 4-3 DT, he's just like Kevin Williams of the Vikings. Spears doesn't have the low base to play NT but he'd be fine as a 1-gap DT. Ferguson played almost his whole career as the 2-gap DT in a 4-3 so he's fine there, plus Thomas Johnson and Jay Ratliff are both quality DTs, as is Montavious Stanley. These guys didn't come from 3-4 programs in college, they were 4-3 DTs.

Then we can line up Canty on the other side with Hatcher spelling both him and Ware. Canty would be fine as a 4-3 DE. He's not too much of a pass rusher in that scheme but he's certainly not gonna struggle.

At LB, Ayodele goes back to playing WOLB like he did in Jax, I don't see how you can say he doesn't have a position. And, he can spell Ware in certain situations, too, cause he's played 4-3 DE before. Bradie James can stay inside as he's shown he is pretty solid there. Bobby Carpenter is the SOLB, we know he has the agility to do that.

OH -- and I've totally forgotten... we've still got Ellis.

So your defense looks like this:

Ware/Hatcher/Ayodele
Ferguson/Johnson
Spears/Ratliff
Ellis/Canty

Ayodele/Burnett
James/Fowler/Parham/Shanle
Carpenter/Singleton

That defense is just fine.

That is what is so great about the pieces we have acquired. They are fine for either. Ware is the real lynchpin.

You put him on the ground and move everyone over and you've got a 4-3. You stand him back up and slide everyone back and you are running the 3-4.

The defenses aren't "the same," just like that, obviously, the responsibilities are much different, but these guys have the abilities to handle either set of responsibilities.

That being said, I agree, I like the diversity the 3-4 offers us. I think Spears is a BETTER fit as a 3-4 DE than a 4-3 DT. I think Canty is a better fit as a 3-4 DE than a 4-3 DE.

Ware... eh... I think he could be great at either. As could Carpenter.

But I don't think we would have any trouble pulling off a top-5 defense with a move back to the 4-3, either.

I think you will see elements of both this year, with the same players playing in both defenses.
 

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Fair enough - I see your points. But Ayodele was apparently not good weakside in Jax, and for the 4-3 - that DT lineup looks terrible to me.
 

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Interesting discussion about whomever eventually replaces Parcells sticking with the 3-4 or going back to the 4-3. I don't think it will matter much who the new HC is, Jerruh and his evil twin, Jethro, will resume command and drive the culb into the ground with the same kind of bone-headed dicisions that trashed Jimma's team after he left. Jerruh/Jethro will inevitably think that NOW he knows all he needs to know the run the team and he will likely revert to his long shots instead of getting blue chippers and he will also choose flash in the pan, high-publicity glory hogs rather than blue collar over-acheivers, just like he did before and with the same results as before and he will not be able to understand why it doesn't work.

And I think Parcells will be around a couple more years. Whoever replaces him will have his hands full.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong.
 
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