The sound of apathy is deafening

[silver]

I'll watch. I'm a glutton for punishment!

It's a noon game, and unless I start going to mass this late in the year I would probably watch as I got nothing better to do. Sad. I still want to beat the Eagles tho. Hopefully injure just a tad, nothing career ending, a couple of their stars to derail their postseason.

 

[silver]

Only chance is if he's willing to hire a quality HC. With Jerry that won't happen simply because of the Jimmy situation. We're winning SB's and probably could've won several more, but Jerry wasn't satisfied with that since Jimmy was getting the credit.

With Stephen I don't know if he'll have the same ego and desire to be in total control like Jerry. To only want to win while sabotaging you're chance to win by hiring inferior HC's and then undermining them along the way.

So in other words I think Stephen will be the GM which is problematic enough, but I think theres a chance he would actually try to hire real HC's.

The worst thing about Stephen is that he also believes to being a football guy just like his dad by mere association. He may be a football guy, but there's got be better football guys out there. Mediocre GM leads to mediocre HC which leads to mediocre results. .500 ball into oblivion.

 

[MikeT22]

The worst thing about Stephen is that he also believes to being a football guy just like his dad by mere association. He may be a football guy, but there's got be better football guys out there. Mediocre GM leads to mediocre HC which leads to mediocre results. .500 ball into oblivion.

With Jerry it's an intentional choice, he doesn't want to hire a quality HC. If Stephen is the same way then there is no hope other than getting lucky. But the hope is he doesn't have the same ego as his dad where he refuses to hire a quality coach for fear of being overshadowed and not getting the credit if we win.

 

[slomoxn]

I’ve been apathetic for years now, at least 7. Now it’s just another day and another loss and another non super bowl season. At 52 I was around for the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. I’d take 1-15 for another jimmy Johnson run anytime, but we’re stufk with JJ not wanting anyone to get his credit. Well I live in Vegas, work construction and soon we’ll be building the Raiders new stadium. I’ve met Mark Davis and the whole management staff for the Raiders, they know I’m hard core DC4L but I’ll also support the Home team so Jerry get it together, I don’t want to have any internal conflict because of YOU!

 

[willia451]

Apathy? I fully expected the Cowboys to blow out the deflated Seattle Seahawks on the strength of Zeke's return. At Home.

I was excited. Looking forward to it. Nobody could possibly screw this one up. Right? Its in the bag. A done deal. A slam dunk. Idiot proof. Seattle stinks.

Ran out and told everybody how they were going to win. And I mean win HUGE!!!!! And when Detroit and Atlanta lost. I thought this is fate. We're going to blow them out.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG how wrong I was.

I knew the coaches were incompetent and the franchise dysfunctional. But the level of incompetence and dysfunction was simply astounding. It was incredible. Unbelievable. Stunning. Putrid.

WOW!!!!!

So no. Not Apathetic.

Alarmed. Alarmed that what I saw on Christmas Eve could even be allowed to exist by God.

I've seen teams lose games before. But NOTHING like THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The way that game was lost.

The Cowboys suck............soooooooooooooooooooo bad.

The Jones family just needs to go. Hang their heads in shame and leave town.

Horrible. Horrible 20 years of FAIL!!!!!!!

 

[Pants]

go sixers!

There, that's where I am right now (cowboys fan since '72)

 

[Aven8]

Apathy? I fully expected the Cowboys to blow out the deflated Seattle Seahawks on the strength of Zeke's return. At Home.

I was excited. Looking forward to it. Nobody could possibly screw this one up. Right? Its in the bag. A done deal. A slam dunk. Idiot proof. Seattle stinks.

Ran out and told everybody how they were going to win. And I mean win HUGE!!!!! And when Detroit and Atlanta lost. I thought this is fate. We're going to blow them out.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG how wrong I was.

I knew the coaches were incompetent and the franchise dysfunctional. But the level of incompetence and dysfunction was simply astounding. It was incredible. Unbelievable. Stunning. Putrid.

WOW!!!!!

So no. Not Apathetic.

Alarmed. Alarmed that what I saw on Christmas Eve could even be allowed to exist by God.

I've seen teams lose games before. But NOTHING like THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The way that game was lost.

The Cowboys suck............soooooooooooooooooooo bad.

The Jones family just needs to go. Hang their heads in shame and leave town.

Horrible. Horrible 20 years of FAIL!!!!!!!

This thing was laid out perfectly, with Both Detroit and Atlanta losing. In came a broken down Seattle team and they got a whole 136 yards. But as usual we weren't prepared to fight back in a big game. The game really wasn't close. Sickening.

How Jerry could not even contemplate firing JG is beyond me. What the hell makes him think he's going to even win anything??

 

[zekecowboy]

I have been a fan for 42 years. I am afraid I got you beat on expecting mediocre play from the Cowboys. I am too the point where I expect poor RKG coaching from Jason the clap Garrette. I no longer buy Cowboys apparel. I am looking forward to watching the NBA with more passion this year. The quietness of the forum speaks volumes. JJ may have to make a drastic move this offseason. Time will tell.

Over the past few years I would have gotten much more angry with a loss like the Seattle one. But after the poor coaching over the years it's something that I just expect. When a fan base stops getting angry because they are used to losing, the owner should listen twice as hard. Basically we are told to trust Jerry, well Jerry, you have beaten the fan base down to a point of just not caring enough to get upset.

Congrats Jerry. You've beaten the life out of us. I've been a huge fan for the past 40 years and it's the first time I'm just past getting angry. We knew that this team would let us down like all of the ones under JG. If you don't do something to change things the fan base will become less and less passionate. Just listen to how quite this forumn is when it should be full of passionate people upset. Instead they expect the product that you have been putting out on the field so it wasn't a surprise.

SIgned, a long term fan

 

[Sasquatch]

The sad part is I will. At least slightly.

The conditioning procedure has been a complete success (in a diabolical billionaire NFL owner voice).

 

[zekecowboy]

I would have to disagree. Goodell's botch with Zeke and the NFL ratings dropping due primarily to one thing the players are doing before the game starts is not conditioning the fans. The fans are tired of it and are spending time doing other things.

The conditioning procedure has been a complete success (in a diabolical billionaire NFL owner voice).

 

[Motown12]

Agree about most of this. The Parcells hire gave us some hope. Jerry got his stadium though.

The part I disagree about is Jerry not caring because he has money. This guy was born rich. Money hasn’t been an issue for so long for him. Money at this point for Jerry is only a way to measure business success. The guy wants to win..but only if he gets the credit for winning. Hiring a football guy wouldn’t give Jerry any personal satisfaction even if we win a SB.

Unfortunately folks Jerry will never give up daily control as long as he can physically do it. This is his team and this is the last measurement of success for Jerry. He will do it his way or no way. Jimmy hurt him bad and he is still trying to prove the 3 SBs were his doing and not Jimmys.

The really sad part is he would not only get credit for hiring a brilliant football mind that brought Dallas back to greatness but would be forgiven by most of Cowboy nation for his past mistakes. He was good friends with George Steinbrenner. It boggles my mind that he had the greatest example of this staring him in the face. Steinbrenner brought the Yankees back to prominence in the late 70's after more than a decade of losing which to Yankee fans might as well be 500 years. He then became a bad reality show with firing/hiring/rehiring/firing managers especially Billy Martin and sunk to new lows when it was discovered what he did to Dave Windfield. Becoming a running joke and a disgrace humbled him enough to realize he needed to change. He allowed Gene Michaels to bring back structure, patience, and doing things the right way. Fast forward to hiring Brian Cashman and by the time Steinbrenner passed away he was loved and revered by most Yankee fans. Could he still be impatient, impulsive and an ego maniac at times? Of course. But the fact that he was smart enough to put his ego in check and bring the Yankees back to being the gold standard in Baseball brought him acclaim and adulation.

If Jerry for example promoted W. McClay to GM and he brought us back to greatness (I'm just using him as an example not saying he is necessarily the guy to do it) the fan base and the media would give Jerry tons of credit for being smart enough to hire the right guy just as he was given a ton of credit, and rightfully so for hiring Jimmy Jonson. The fact that he can't make the correlation is just baffling to me.

 

[Beast_from_East]

This franchise has two major problems that will prevent any level of success until they are both changed.

1. Garrett has to go, he has proven over and over and over again that he cant get the job done. 7 1/2 years as HC and just one playoff victory. With Marvin Lewis stepping down in Cinci, Jason Garrett is now the longest tenured head coach in the NFL to not play in a SB. Every other head coach in the NFL that has been with their team as long as Garrett has been with the Cowboys has at least made it to the SuperBowl, all but Garrett. Honestly, Garrett would have been fired by now by virtually every other team in the league.

2. Jerry wants to win his way. That means that he gets the credit for winning, not the head coach, or coordinators, or anybody else. I have seen this first hand in business, when people at the top care more about who gets credit than with actual results, it never ends well. Jerry is going to have to let go of ego and admit that he needs help to get this team back to the SB. Maybe this means hiring a big name coach that is not a yes man, somebody like Harbaugh or even Gruden. The flip side to this is that they will get a ton of the credit for turning the Cowboys around, so will Jerry be able to live with that. In short, Jerry has to decide if he would rather lose with puppet coaches like Garrett or hire a legit head coach that will receive a lot of the credit instead of Jerry. Is who gets the credit more important to Jerry than the actual results on the field? This has to change going forward if the answer to this is yes.

 

[plymkr]

JG should never of been hired to be an OC, let alone a HC. He has been in over his head from day one.

A guy like Kyle Shanahan paid his dues for 20 years learning for his Dad and Kubiak before going off on his own to be an OC.

Other coaches like Sean Peyton learned under guys like BP, before moving up through the ranks.

Not JG, his mentor is Jerry Jones!

Exactly. Garrett's mentor is Jerry Jones. That's about as productive as seeking dieting advice from the fattest person you know.

A failed, wannabe GM is mentoring an unqualified coach and ruining the careers of Romo, Dak, Witten, and all the other Cowboys who gave their bodies to wear the Star.

 

[superonyx]

The really sad part is he would not only get credit for hiring a brilliant football mind that brought Dallas back to greatness but would be forgiven by most of Cowboy nation for his past mistakes. He was good friends with George Steinbrenner. It boggles my mind that he had the greatest example of this staring him in the face. Steinbrenner brought the Yankees back to prominence in the late 70's after more than a decade of losing which to Yankee fans might as well be 500 years. He then became a bad reality show with firing/hiring/rehiring/firing managers especially Billy Martin and sunk to new lows when it was discovered what he did to Dave Windfield. Becoming a running joke and a disgrace humbled him enough to realize he needed to change. He allowed Gene Michaels to bring back structure, patience, and doing things the right way. Fast forward to hiring Brian Cashman and by the time Steinbrenner passed away he was loved and revered by most Yankee fans. Could he still be impatient, impulsive and an ego maniac at times? Of course. But the fact that he was smart enough to put his ego in check and bring the Yankees back to being the gold standard in Baseball brought him acclaim and adulation.

If Jerry for example promoted W. McClay to GM and he brought us back to greatness (I'm just using him as an example not saying he is necessarily the guy to do it) the fan base and the media would give Jerry tons of credit for being smart enough to hire the right guy just as he was given a ton of credit, and rightfully so for hiring Jimmy Jonson. The fact that he can't make the correlation is just baffling to me.

The part you may not be considering is Jerry loves his job. He likes the tv cameras on him in the war room during the draft. He likes his show. He likes being the celebrity. He likes TMZ looking for him. He likes being the GM and the face of the franchise. He likes all the reporters asking him if we are going to rest any starters next week against the eagles.

Hiring Harbaugh and a strong GM would mean he gets pushed to the back burner. He couldn’t stand being the guy sitting at his locker when all the reporters are crowded around the GM. He’s not interested in that at all.

This is why he holds on to JG. He is not interested in the awkward tension a strong coach would create when Jerry is spouting off to the media who is going to start etc.

 

[Bleu Star]

Over the past few years I would have gotten much more angry with a loss like the Seattle one. But after the poor coaching over the years it's something that I just expect. When a fan base stops getting angry because they are used to losing, the owner should listen twice as hard. Basically we are told to trust Jerry, well Jerry, you have beaten the fan base down to a point of just not caring enough to get upset.

Congrats Jerry. You've beaten the life out of us. I've been a huge fan for the past 40 years and it's the first time I'm just past getting angry. We knew that this team would let us down like all of the ones under JG. If you don't do something to change things the fan base will become less and less passionate. Just listen to how quite this forumn is when it should be full of passionate people upset. Instead they expect the product that you have been putting out on the field so it wasn't a surprise.

SIgned, a long term fan

Yep. You nailed me over the past few seasons. I was joking around in CZ chat all game vs the Seahawks...where normally I would be super dialed in and serious. It waa a barrel of laughs talking about how many FGs we needed to win.

 

[visionary]

With Jerry it's an intentional choice, he doesn't want to hire a quality HC. If Stephen is the same way then there is no hope other than getting lucky. But the hope is he doesn't have the same ego as his dad where he refuses to hire a quality coach for fear of being overshadowed and not getting the credit if we win.

My prediction is that Stephen will be more delusional than his father. Jerry and Stephen have already made stupid statements like "Stephen grew up around football" so they believe he's even more qualified. Yeah we should let a surgeons son operate and let an astronauts son pilot the next moon landing

This is a family of delusional morons

 

[visionary]

The part you may not be considering is Jerry loves his job. He likes the tv cameras on him in the war room during the draft. He likes his show. He likes being the celebrity. He likes TMZ looking for him. He likes being the GM and the face of the franchise. He likes all the reporters asking him if we are going to rest any starters next week against the eagles.

Hiring Harbaugh and a strong GM would mean he gets pushed to the back burner. He couldn’t stand being the guy sitting at his locker when all the reporters are crowded around the GM. He’s not interested in that at all.

This is why he holds on to JG. He is not interested in the awkward tension a strong coach would create when Jerry is spouting off to the media who is going to start etc.

 

[kevm3]

We need more guys in the media criticizing Jerry instead of throwing softballs. We need fans to stop buying apparel and demand Jerry hires a GM. I don't know how this guy still thinks he is a football gm/hc/owner hybrid after twenty two years of failure. You would think that's plenty of time to get it figured out, but I guess not.

Fans will not get a better product until they demand one, and it doesn't seem like fans have been demanding anything, seeing as how the stadium is always sold out and merchandise keeps selling.

 

[superonyx]

We need more guys in the media criticizing Jerry instead of throwing softballs. We need fans to stop buying apparel and demand Jerry hires a GM. I don't know how this guy still thinks he is a football gm/hc/owner hybrid after twenty two years of failure. You would think that's plenty of time to get it figured out, but I guess not.

Fans will not get a better product until they demand one, and it doesn't seem like fans have been demanding anything, seeing as how the stadium is always sold out and merchandise keeps selling.

There is a line of thinking that says Jerry has not been a failure.
We are all frustrated with our lack of success on the field...but sold out stadiums..both home and on the road, merchandise sales, non stop national attention, highest tv ratings in the league etc. it’s not like we have become the Bengals or Browns.

Now I agree that we all want super bowls. But if I am Jerry and I’m trying to justify what I am doing then I can see how I’m doing something right.

No billboards, no protest, will change this. This is Jerry’s team and he is the boss.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Over the past few years I would have gotten much more angry with a loss like the Seattle one. But after the poor coaching over the years it's something that I just expect. When a fan base stops getting angry because they are used to losing, the owner should listen twice as hard. Basically we are told to trust Jerry, well Jerry, you have beaten the fan base down to a point of just not caring enough to get upset.

Congrats Jerry. You've beaten the life out of us. I've been a huge fan for the past 40 years and it's the first time I'm just past getting angry. We knew that this team would let us down like all of the ones under JG. If you don't do something to change things the fan base will become less and less passionate. Just listen to how quite this forumn is when it should be full of passionate people upset. Instead they expect the product that you have been putting out on the field so it wasn't a surprise.

SIgned, a long term fan

I definitely feel for you. After this season my caring about the NFL and the Cowboys is at an all time low. The kneeling, the horror show that is Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett?

If it wasnt for Fantasy football I am not sure I would watch football much at all.