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10. Tony Romo, Cowboys. The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors.

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12. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. Adams is aging but still has tremendous size and strength. Though the Cowboys struggled in pass protection last year, there's reason to believe a healthy Tony Romo and improved balance on offense will spark a return to form for Flozell the Hotel.

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10. Leonard Davis, Cowboys. Like most of the Dallas lineman, Davis is huge (6-6, 355). He's a mauler as a run blocker who physically overpowers his opponents. He's fairly athletic and can do some good things as a move blocker, and he makes excellent use of his hands in pass protection.

TE
1 Jason Witten, Cowboys. Though his 81 receptions for 952 yards and four touchdowns in '08 were considered a bit of a down year, he still has 177 catches the past two seasons. He has missed just one game in six seasons and has a career 11.5 yards per catch average. The departure of Terrell Owens means Witten will be targeted even more in '09, and his blocking ability also will help the running game balance the offense.

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9. Andre Gurode, Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl last year, but it was based more on reputation than production, like the Titans' Kevin Mawae. Gurode is a physical run blocker, not a finesse player. He'll need to be more productive in '09 than he was in '08 to get the Cowboys back to the playoffs. The measure of that will be the success of their running game between the tackles.

DE
11. Igor Olshansky, Cowboys. His move to Dallas reunites him with Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator during Olshansky's first three years with the Chargers. He knows the 3-4 well, has great strength and has learned to use his hands well and play with leverage.

DT
15. Jay Ratliff, Cowboys. Ratliff had a breakout year in 2008, earning Pro Bowl honors for the first time. He was a disruptive pass rusher inside, and despite being relatively light (300 pounds), he has enough strength and lateral mobility to be an effective run-stopper. He's a player on the rise.

OLB
1 DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys. The NFL leader in sacks last season, he made a serious run at Michael Strahan's season record of 22 1/2. Ware is a dominant pass rusher who exhibits remarkable speed and strength.

CB
12. Terence Newman, Cowboys. Newman is explosive and athletic and shows great speed and agility. He can be overaggressive in coverage at times but has been playing with more maturity and better technique recently

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11. Ken Hamlin, Cowboys. He has great range and can track down a lot of balls playing center field. He is at his best jumping routes in zone coverage but can also match up with tight ends and wideouts in the slot.
 
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Gurode the number 9 center? He's easily top 3 or 4.

Newman at 12 is a joke as well... He's a top 5 CB.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2803359 said:
Gurode the number 9 center? He's easily top 3 or 4.

Newman at 12 is a joke as well... He's a top 5 CB.

I would not even have Gurode that high IMO - hes one of the worst

we should of drafted Mangold at 29 but no BPPP had to draft Carp 22

you know Mangoild has had only 2 pentalities againest him in 2 years

one of Jerry's biggest foul ups IMO
 

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There are 10 better guards in the league than Bigg? No way.

Same on T-new and Rat.....top five for each....if healthy WRT Newman.
 

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No RB's? There is no way that MBIII is not a top ten back......no way.
 

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yentl911;2803516 said:
No RB's? There is no way that MBIII is not a top ten back......no way.
I can think of at least ten easily.

AP
LT
Westbrook
Turner
D. Williams
Portis
Jackson
Gore
Jacobs
Thomas Jones

Then there's all the new RB's that came on last year that had good years.

C. Johnson
Slaton
Forte

Don't forget Grant, Lynch, and Ronnie Brown.

I love MBIII, don't get me wrong. But I think all the backs I just mentioned are better or in regards to the last few at least just as good as MBIII. He needs to have more than a 1000 yards and better than a 4.0 yard per carry average along with his TD's to get into that top ten.
 

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UnoDallas;2803355 said:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=557654
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=548865

QB's
10. Tony Romo, Cowboys. The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors.

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12. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. Adams is aging but still has tremendous size and strength. Though the Cowboys struggled in pass protection last year, there's reason to believe a healthy Tony Romo and improved balance on offense will spark a return to form for Flozell the Hotel.

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10. Leonard Davis, Cowboys. Like most of the Dallas lineman, Davis is huge (6-6, 355). He's a mauler as a run blocker who physically overpowers his opponents. He's fairly athletic and can do some good things as a move blocker, and he makes excellent use of his hands in pass protection.

TE
1 Jason Witten, Cowboys. Though his 81 receptions for 952 yards and four touchdowns in '08 were considered a bit of a down year, he still has 177 catches the past two seasons. He has missed just one game in six seasons and has a career 11.5 yards per catch average. The departure of Terrell Owens means Witten will be targeted even more in '09, and his blocking ability also will help the running game balance the offense.

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9. Andre Gurode, Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl last year, but it was based more on reputation than production, like the Titans' Kevin Mawae. Gurode is a physical run blocker, not a finesse player. He'll need to be more productive in '09 than he was in '08 to get the Cowboys back to the playoffs. The measure of that will be the success of their running game between the tackles.

DE
11. Igor Olshansky, Cowboys. His move to Dallas reunites him with Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator during Olshansky's first three years with the Chargers. He knows the 3-4 well, has great strength and has learned to use his hands well and play with leverage.

DT
15. Jay Ratliff, Cowboys. Ratliff had a breakout year in 2008, earning Pro Bowl honors for the first time. He was a disruptive pass rusher inside, and despite being relatively light (300 pounds), he has enough strength and lateral mobility to be an effective run-stopper. He's a player on the rise.

OLB
1 DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys. The NFL leader in sacks last season, he made a serious run at Michael Strahan's season record of 22 1/2. Ware is a dominant pass rusher who exhibits remarkable speed and strength.

CB
12. Terence Newman, Cowboys. Newman is explosive and athletic and shows great speed and agility. He can be overaggressive in coverage at times but has been playing with more maturity and better technique recently

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11. Ken Hamlin, Cowboys. He has great range and can track down a lot of balls playing center field. He is at his best jumping routes in zone coverage but can also match up with tight ends and wideouts in the slot.


short leash my A**
 

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UnoDallas;2803355 said:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=557654
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=548865

QB's
10. Tony Romo, Cowboys. The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors.

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12. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. Adams is aging but still has tremendous size and strength. Though the Cowboys struggled in pass protection last year, there's reason to believe a healthy Tony Romo and improved balance on offense will spark a return to form for Flozell the Hotel.

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10. Leonard Davis, Cowboys. Like most of the Dallas lineman, Davis is huge (6-6, 355). He's a mauler as a run blocker who physically overpowers his opponents. He's fairly athletic and can do some good things as a move blocker, and he makes excellent use of his hands in pass protection.

TE
1 Jason Witten, Cowboys. Though his 81 receptions for 952 yards and four touchdowns in '08 were considered a bit of a down year, he still has 177 catches the past two seasons. He has missed just one game in six seasons and has a career 11.5 yards per catch average. The departure of Terrell Owens means Witten will be targeted even more in '09, and his blocking ability also will help the running game balance the offense.

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9. Andre Gurode, Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl last year, but it was based more on reputation than production, like the Titans' Kevin Mawae. Gurode is a physical run blocker, not a finesse player. He'll need to be more productive in '09 than he was in '08 to get the Cowboys back to the playoffs. The measure of that will be the success of their running game between the tackles.

DE
11. Igor Olshansky, Cowboys. His move to Dallas reunites him with Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator during Olshansky's first three years with the Chargers. He knows the 3-4 well, has great strength and has learned to use his hands well and play with leverage.

DT
15. Jay Ratliff, Cowboys. Ratliff had a breakout year in 2008, earning Pro Bowl honors for the first time. He was a disruptive pass rusher inside, and despite being relatively light (300 pounds), he has enough strength and lateral mobility to be an effective run-stopper. He's a player on the rise.

OLB
1 DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys. The NFL leader in sacks last season, he made a serious run at Michael Strahan's season record of 22 1/2. Ware is a dominant pass rusher who exhibits remarkable speed and strength.

CB
12. Terence Newman, Cowboys. Newman is explosive and athletic and shows great speed and agility. He can be overaggressive in coverage at times but has been playing with more maturity and better technique recently

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11. Ken Hamlin, Cowboys. He has great range and can track down a lot of balls playing center field. He is at his best jumping routes in zone coverage but can also match up with tight ends and wideouts in the slot.


everything they described hamlin for being he's the exact opposite
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2803359 said:
Gurode the number 9 center? He's easily top 3 or 4.

Newman at 12 is a joke as well... He's a top 5 CB.

Can't be top 5 if you're injured.
 

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UnoDallas;2803394 said:
I would not even have Gurode that high IMO - hes one of the worst

Ok, lay off the Kool Aid here. Gurode is one of the biggest and most overpowering centers in the league. I would have rated him higher than 9. The only thing you notice and remember is the occasional high snap. This guy is a beast at center.
 

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Rat at 15 after a Pro Bowl year and 8 sacks. Really stupid. As was said TNew is a top 5 CB. Bigg is probably 7 or 8.
 

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DTK;2803588 said:
I can think of at least ten easily.

AP
LT
Westbrook
Turner
D. Williams
Portis
Jackson
Gore
Jacobs
Thomas Jones

Then there's all the new RB's that came on last year that had good years.

C. Johnson
Slaton
Forte

Don't forget Grant, Lynch, and Ronnie Brown.

I love MBIII, don't get me wrong. But I think all the backs I just mentioned are better or in regards to the last few at least just as good as MBIII. He needs to have more than a 1000 yards and better than a 4.0 yard per carry average along with his TD's to get into that top ten.

You have to be crazy to drink that kool-aid! Most of the guys on that list are have more question marks than MBIII does... for example:

D. Williams --- one monster season, but up til this point has WAY below average. He will have to show that he can do it for more than one year.

M. Turner --- See above. You can't judge anything he did in S.D. Look at what Sproles did backing up LT... I need to see it more than one time to call him a top 10 back right now.

B. Jacobs --- Appears to be fragile... has had substantial injuries both of the last two seasons, although he did hit the "magic" 1,000 yard mark both seasons. But do you want him for the 10-12 games he's gonna be healthy? He also had a total of 6 catches last season. Sorry but you need to give me more than that even if your job is to run the ball...

Those guys (rookies) at the bottom of your quote, aren't even conisdered IMO... you need to get through the Sophmore year first, then we'll see what you are...

This is not an arguement of whether Barber should or shouldn't be in the top 10 at RB, but it is an arguement that a few of those on your list shouldn't be. Not to mention that ALL of the guys that you listed are in a RUN FIRST offense... which MBIII has not had 'til this season hopefully... So we'll have to see what happens with that.
 

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DTK;2803588 said:
I can think of at least ten easily.

AP
LT
Westbrook
Turner
D. Williams
Portis
Jackson
Gore
Jacobs
Thomas Jones

Then there's all the new RB's that came on last year that had good years.

C. Johnson
Slaton
Forte

Don't forget Grant, Lynch, and Ronnie Brown.

I love MBIII, don't get me wrong. But I think all the backs I just mentioned are better or in regards to the last few at least just as good as MBIII. He needs to have more than a 1000 yards and better than a 4.0 yard per carry average along with his TD's to get into that top ten.

I wouldn't take any of these players over MBIII - Gore, LT (I live in SD and he is done), Portis, Thomas Jones, Jacobs or D. Williams....

MBIII is the real deal - solid guy, great player, hard worker, great hands, tough as nails. Maybe his YPC would be better if we changed the way he got his carries - tough to keep your YPC up when you are carrying the ball at the three yard line. Plus, he shares carries with other talented backs which hurts his total, especially in a pass first offense which I hope changes this season.
 

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AmericasTeam31;2803878 said:
You have to be crazy to drink that kool-aid! Most of the guys on that list are have more question marks than MBIII does... for example:

D. Williams --- one monster season, but up til this point has WAY below average. He will have to show that he can do it for more than one year.

M. Turner --- See above. You can't judge anything he did in S.D. Look at what Sproles did backing up LT... I need to see it more than one time to call him a top 10 back right now.

B. Jacobs --- Appears to be fragile... has had substantial injuries both of the last two seasons, although he did hit the "magic" 1,000 yard mark both seasons. But do you want him for the 10-12 games he's gonna be healthy? He also had a total of 6 catches last season. Sorry but you need to give me more than that even if your job is to run the ball...

Those guys (rookies) at the bottom of your quote, aren't even conisdered IMO... you need to get through the Sophmore year first, then we'll see what you are...

This is not an arguement of whether Barber should or shouldn't be in the top 10 at RB, but it is an arguement that a few of those on your list shouldn't be. Not to mention that ALL of the guys that you listed are in a RUN FIRST offense... which MBIII has not had 'til this season hopefully... So we'll have to see what happens with that.
OK, I knew this would stir some things up and that's ok, I'm just trying to be objective. Let's look at the guys you listed

1. D. Williams. Yes, he had one monster season. Has Barber?

2. Turner. Again, a monster season. Has Barber had one comparable?

3. Jacobs. The guy averaged 5.0 yards a carry the last 2 seasons. Barber's career average is 4.3. Good, yes. But Jacobs is a load and after last season how can you put Barber ahead of this guy when ranking RB's?

Look, I love MBIII. I just don't agree that he's a top 10 back in the NFL. I think the guys I mentioned are. Just my honest opinion.
 

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yentl911;2803882 said:
I wouldn't take any of these players over MBIII - Gore, LT (I live in SD and he is done), Portis, Thomas Jones, Jacobs or D. Williams....

MBIII is the real deal - solid guy, great player, hard worker, great hands, tough as nails. Maybe his YPC would be better if we changed the way he got his carries - tough to keep your YPC up when you are carrying the ball at the three yard line. Plus, he shares carries with other talented backs which hurts his total, especially in a pass first offense which I hope changes this season.
I respect that. But most of those guys I mentioned have to share the load too.

Like you, I hope he gets plenty of touches next year in a run first offense.
 

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DTK;2803907 said:
OK, I knew this would stir some things up and that's ok, I'm just trying to be objective. Let's look at the guys you listed

1. D. Williams. Yes, he had one monster season. Has Barber?

2. Turner. Again, a monster season. Has Barber had one comparable?

3. Jacobs. The guy averaged 5.0 yards a carry the last 2 seasons. Barber's career average is 4.3. Good, yes. But Jacobs is a load and after last season how can you put Barber ahead of this guy when ranking RB's?

Look, I love MBIII. I just don't agree that he's a top 10 back in the NFL. I think the guys I mentioned are. Just my honest opinion.

Here is a thought... Turner had 376 carries last season. Do you know the most carries MBIII has had in his career? Last season he had 238. Do the math... Give Barber 138 more carries, even at his 3.7 avg. and he has just under 1,400 yards... with probably 12-13TD's...

In 2007 Barber had just as good of a season as Jacobs did last year. 15 less carries and 115 or so less yards. But he played everygame! And he also had 200+ more total yards than Jacobs did last season. Jacobs hasn't done that as a pro to this point.

Like I said, I am not arguing that Barber is a top 10 back, I'm just saying that you have to look at him really hard, if you are putting some of those other guys up there.
 

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DTK;2803588 said:
I can think of at least ten easily.

AP
LT
Westbrook
Turner
D. Williams
Portis
Jackson
Gore
Jacobs
Thomas Jones:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

Then there's all the new RB's that came on last year that had good years.

C. Johnson
Slaton
Forte

Don't forget Grant, Lynch, and Ronnie Brown.

I love MBIII, don't get me wrong. But I think all the backs I just mentioned are better or in regards to the last few at least just as good as MBIII. He needs to have more than a 1000 yards and better than a 4.0 yard per carry average along with his TD's to get into that top ten.

You lost all credibilty saying Thomas Jones is better than Marion Barber.
good grief man.

I was at least kind of on the same page with you until you threw him in there. Jacobs is highly debatable too. Some of the other are debatable too, imo. But most non-Cowboy fans would probably agree with your list excluding (VERY obviously) Jones and maybe Jacobs.
 
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