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With the Cowboys, I shouldn't limit that to sports because they're so reality show like, they get interest from outside the sports world.

Remember that "Season of the Reliable Source" and how much fun that wasn't? This one is the perfect storm for a sequel to that.

The QB leads the league in picks and while they do excuse some of those as receiver error, the response is to let the OC walk, the HC take over play calling with a reference to running the ball more (not his forte, by the way) and no one can be sure if this was really his idea. The team allows one season to label the QB as turnover prone instead of his body of work.

Plenty of blame for Kellen Moore here but once he hit the beach, he didn't have time to get his little umbrella out of his cocktail before he had another OC gig with one of the hottest young QB's in the league. All media eyes in Dallas will not be on NY, PHL or WAS, they will be on the Los Angeles Chargers. Kellen Watch will be in full bloom.

The owner has fired a HC in season just once and he had the heir apparent just waiting to take over. Now, he has Quinn in the wings so the transition would be smooth. Unless you consider Shottenheimer is now the OC and play caller.

More than any HC in the league, McCarthy is going to be under the magnifying glass early on in the season and if he can win the ones he supposed to, he should be OK but lose one of those?

What if the Chargers beat the Dolphins, and look good doing it, on opening weekend and the Cowboys should stumble against the Giants? The Cowboys face their old nemesis, Aaron Rodgers, in the home opener in what could be a must win game for Mike McCarthy.

What if it is the offense struggling and the defense is doing their job? The spotlight will not be brighter on the second weekend of the season than on Dallas with the rumor mill already cooking.

Should the unthinkable happen, the Cowboys open 0-2, it is not fantasy that the other East teams would all be 2-0. The Cowboys are no longer the 3rd best NFC team, they're not even the 3rd best NFC East team.

Conjecture? Of course it is, that is what we do here. But this was the first thing that hit me when they let Moore walk and McCarthy took over the play calling and the QB voiced his opinion on that. This is a keep the QB happy league and this QB was already smarting from the picks. Add to that, they let his guy walk and openly state they want to run the ball more to take it out of the QB's hands.

This team is standing on shaky ground to start the season and they have to come out of the gate smoking. Think the Joneses have the patience to let McCarthy work his way out of a 0-2 hole with Quinn on stand-by?

And what makes this so specific to the Cowboys is the media is begging for this to happen, makes their jobs easier in getting in their required Cowboys coverage but a lot of them would have more fun if the team was struggling.

Go ahead, tell me it can't happen, won't happen. Others have told me that too. Right up until it happened.
 

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This team is standing on shaky ground to start the season and they have to come out of the gate smoking. Think the Joneses have the patience to let McCarthy work his way out of a 0-2 hole with Quinn on stand-by?
The only way I can see Jerry canning MM mid-season if we are pretty much out of the playoff race but you are right, if we start 02, things could get ugly real fast. Remember Quinn was fired by Falcons during the season, so he has seen this song before. I seriously doubt he would agree to take over WITHOUT a new contract.
 

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This team is standing on shaky ground to start the season and they have to come out of the gate smoking. Think the Joneses have the patience to let McCarthy work his way out of a 0-2 hole with Quinn on stand-by?
After considering Jerry Jones' handling of Dave Campo, Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett in hindsight?

Answer: Yes.
 

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come on guys, ye of little faith.
I am hoping for repeat play off season , be it a WC position or whatever.
 

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Anything could happen for sure, I've been saying I dont think MM gets enough credit for what he has done so far though. Consider this.. When was the last time we have seen most of the younger players get better? To me thats coaching. When was the last time we had consecutive winning seasons, WITH Tyron going down for a long period and QB1 missing significant games..again i see that as coaching..yes anything can happen but if MM has said the way over the 27 year hump is to hand me the gameday play calling..to me he has kinda earned that voice. If he wins 12 games through injuries and such next season but in the end Says Player A is the problem (I'm sure some have a short list of who player A would be) then I think he has earned that voice also and the GM needs to listen to it.
 

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MM has been a top notch offensive mind for decades and has already been with the system and squad for a few year before he is taking over. I think the offense is going to be better than people think. The defense has more talent than last year with Wilson coming back and the additions of Gilmore, Mazi, and Overshown. Quinn in year 3 with his club should still be on the come.

Worst injury we have to this point is low grade plantar fasciitis from a rookie. Given the nature of draft training fatigue injuries like that are not uncommon. It might linger but kickoff is 12 weeks away. Further we have a very young squad which helps there too.

I mean fine keep on doubting them and putting a chip on their shoulder but the NFC is watered down in talent and we are loaded with it.
 

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More than any HC in the league, McCarthy is going to be under the magnifying glass early on in the season and if he can win the ones he supposed to, he should be OK but lose one of those?

What if the Chargers beat the Dolphins, and look good doing it, on opening weekend and the Cowboys should stumble against the Giants? The Cowboys face their old nemesis, Aaron Rodgers, in the home opener in what could be a must win game for Mike McCarthy.

What if it is the offense struggling and the defense is doing their job? The spotlight will not be brighter on the second weekend of the season than on Dallas with the rumor mill already cooking.

Should the unthinkable happen, the Cowboys open 0-2, it is not fantasy that the other East teams would all be 2-0. The Cowboys are no longer the 3rd best NFC team, they're not even the 3rd best NFC East team.

Conjecture? Of course it is, that is what we do here. But this was the first thing that hit me when they let Moore walk and McCarthy took over the play calling and the QB voiced his opinion on that. This is a keep the QB happy league and this QB was already smarting from the picks. Add to that, they let his guy walk and openly state they want to run the ball more to take it out of the QB's hands.

This team is standing on shaky ground to start the season and they have to come out of the gate smoking. Think the Joneses have the patience to let McCarthy work his way out of a 0-2 hole with Quinn on stand-by?

And what makes this so specific to the Cowboys is the media is begging for this to happen, makes their jobs easier in getting in their required Cowboys coverage but a lot of them would have more fun if the team was struggling.

Go ahead, tell me it can't happen, won't happen. Others have told me that too. Right up until it happened.
No offense, but the idea that McCarthy is playing for his job in week 2 if we lose week 1 is kind of insane
 

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He is a hell of a lot older now and the clock is ticking.
His personality values being right over mortality. Also, any self-maturity (e.g. wisdom) gained through aging is not necessarily self-reflective. He would have removed himself from direct roster acquisition decision-making, even temporarily, if that had been true at any point during the past 20 - 25 years.
 

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Anything could happen for sure, I've been saying I dont think MM gets enough credit for what he has done so far though. Consider this.. When was the last time we have seen most of the younger players get better? To me thats coaching. When was the last time we had consecutive winning seasons, WITH Tyron going down for a long period and QB1 missing significant games..again i see that as coaching..yes anything can happen but if MM has said the way over the 27 year hump is to hand me the gameday play calling..to me he has kinda earned that voice. If he wins 12 games through injuries and such next season but in the end Says Player A is the problem (I'm sure some have a short list of who player A would be) then I think he has earned that voice also and the GM needs to listen to it.
No argument here but what do you think the expectations are for the Joneses. Watered down NFC and they start off 0-2 and last ion the East. Are they prepared for that should it happen?

Booger bought the idea that changing from Moore to McCarthy and adding Shottenheimer would be an improvement, but what if it isn't? I do think some were quick to criticize plays called vs executed and maybe a stronger look at players instead of plays might have been warranted.
 

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No argument here but what do you think the expectations are for the Joneses. Watered down NFC and they start off 0-2 and last ion the East. Are they prepared for that should it happen?

Booger bought the idea that changing from Moore to McCarthy and adding Shottenheimer would be an improvement, but what if it isn't? I do think some were quick to criticize plays called vs executed and maybe a stronger look at players instead of plays might have been warranted.
I think everyone in the FO ( I include the HC in this) would be sweating an 0-2 start with this roster, moves were made and at the surface they look good, I have no idea what Jerry will do on any day ending in Y..lol. I think if its looked at from a side by side of the last 12 years the actual coaching has been far and away better with MM than anyone else (yes i dont think JG was good). The whole problem with the FO set up here is that the owner cant really hold anyone accountable as he is firmly in the middle of all the desicions..i would bet one of those is KM being the OC when the HC was hired. He certainly would have a hard time firing anyone over personel aquisition..lol but yeah 0-2 would be rough.
 

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No offense, but the idea that McCarthy is playing for his job in week 2 if we lose week 1 is kind of insane
None taken and I agree but there are some extenuating circumstances here like an 80 year old owner and ex HC sitting in the DC seat. And I do not underestimate the expectations effect because every move Booger has made has been one he thought was improving his team's chances.

The perception that the NFC is weak and vulnerable also plays into this because there are teams that look to be on the rise for the future.

Of course, to fire a HC after 2 games would be unusual but if it's all on the offense and Booger thinks the entire team might respond to Quinn as his D players have, he might feel compelled to do it.

McCarthy says he wants to run the ball, Shottenheimer says he wants to run the ball, Prescott hasn't said squat about running the ball. What if they're not a good run team? I know none of the coaching staff intended to do it but with the way the season ended, all the talk of running the ball, letting Moore walk, it sure looks like they want the ball in the hands of the QB less.
 

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With the Cowboys, I shouldn't limit that to sports because they're so reality show like, they get interest from outside the sports world.

Remember that "Season of the Reliable Source" and how much fun that wasn't? This one is the perfect storm for a sequel to that.

The QB leads the league in picks and while they do excuse some of those as receiver error, the response is to let the OC walk, the HC take over play calling with a reference to running the ball more (not his forte, by the way) and no one can be sure if this was really his idea. The team allows one season to label the QB as turnover prone instead of his body of work.

Plenty of blame for Kellen Moore here but once he hit the beach, he didn't have time to get his little umbrella out of his cocktail before he had another OC gig with one of the hottest young QB's in the league. All media eyes in Dallas will not be on NY, PHL or WAS, they will be on the Los Angeles Chargers. Kellen Watch will be in full bloom.

The owner has fired a HC in season just once and he had the heir apparent just waiting to take over. Now, he has Quinn in the wings so the transition would be smooth. Unless you consider Shottenheimer is now the OC and play caller.

More than any HC in the league, McCarthy is going to be under the magnifying glass early on in the season and if he can win the ones he supposed to, he should be OK but lose one of those?

What if the Chargers beat the Dolphins, and look good doing it, on opening weekend and the Cowboys should stumble against the Giants? The Cowboys face their old nemesis, Aaron Rodgers, in the home opener in what could be a must win game for Mike McCarthy.

What if it is the offense struggling and the defense is doing their job? The spotlight will not be brighter on the second weekend of the season than on Dallas with the rumor mill already cooking.

Should the unthinkable happen, the Cowboys open 0-2, it is not fantasy that the other East teams would all be 2-0. The Cowboys are no longer the 3rd best NFC team, they're not even the 3rd best NFC East team.

Conjecture? Of course it is, that is what we do here. But this was the first thing that hit me when they let Moore walk and McCarthy took over the play calling and the QB voiced his opinion on that. This is a keep the QB happy league and this QB was already smarting from the picks. Add to that, they let his guy walk and openly state they want to run the ball more to take it out of the QB's hands.

This team is standing on shaky ground to start the season and they have to come out of the gate smoking. Think the Joneses have the patience to let McCarthy work his way out of a 0-2 hole with Quinn on stand-by?

And what makes this so specific to the Cowboys is the media is begging for this to happen, makes their jobs easier in getting in their required Cowboys coverage but a lot of them would have more fun if the team was struggling.

Go ahead, tell me it can't happen, won't happen. Others have told me that too. Right up until it happened.
What if the Cowboys win their first 5 games?
 

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This whole thing about McCarthy is crap. The narrative from the media (and many supposed Cowboy fans) is that he’s just not that good. A Super Bowl winner whose team is 24-10 the last 2 years is ranked in the bottom half of Head Coaches?!? Sean Payton has one ring, but he’s a genius!

“Experts” like Acho, Joy “Fatass” Taylor, and Shannon “Horseface” Sharpe say “what has McCarthy done since Aaron Rodgers?” I say ‘what has Rodgers done without McCarthy?’ What has Payton done without Brees?
 
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