The system is screwed but Romo situation helped his cause.

[Bleed Blue]

Romo's new found success maybe a product of two factors. 1. the man is just talented. 2. He was afforded the time to get it right. With the cap and it's back loaded contracts, todays high profile QBs for the most part are rushed and having bad results. David Carr and Alex Smith are just two examples. The right way to get it done is to carry the damn clipboard for a while. Philip Rivers and Tony Romo had the time and it's paying off. Drew Henson took all the presure off Tony and the flew for the most part under the radar. The "Old School" approach is the right way. Now can we find a way for good young QBs not to kill their teams salary cap until they get it right. Who knows?

 

[Fan Since 77]

The system will never be right until NFL contracts are awarded on a performance basis. Think about this for a second. Can you imagine how much more heart and desire these gifted athletes would play with if every catch, every TD, every rushing yard gave them more money?

I also think that NFL players would get more respect from the public than they do right now. Imagine, an NFL player has to earn a paycheck just like everybody else in the world. I can dream right?

 

[5Stars]

Romo's new found success maybe a product of two factors. 1. the man is just talented. 2. He was afforded the time to get it right. With the cap and it's back loaded contracts, todays high profile QBs for the most part are rushed and having bad results. David Carr and Alex Smith are just two examples. The right way to get it done is to carry the damn clipboard for a while. Philip Rivers and Tony Romo had the time and it's paying off. Drew Henson took all the presure off Tony and the flew for the most part under the radar. The "Old School" approach is the right way. Now can we find a way for good young QBs not to kill their teams salary cap until they get it right. Who knows?

I'm actually glad we had all those other QB's in front of Romo, like Henson for example, or Carter, because that way JJ could mess around and rush "his players" while the undrafted QB sat around biding his time without JJ wanting to rush him because JJ picked him in the draft!

I really think that if Romo had been drafted in some round, say the third, forth, or even the fifth, JJ would have been pushing for him to play a few year ago and it would have failed...again!

Yeah, the stars of aligned themselves just right for the Romo kid...

 

[5Stars]

The system will never be right until NFL contracts are awarded on a performance basis. Think about this for a second. Can you imagine how much more heart and desire these gifted athletes would play with if every catch, every TD, every rushing yard gave them more money?

I also think that NFL players would get more respect from the public than they do right now. Imagine, an NFL player has to earn a paycheck just like everybody else in the world. I can dream right?

That would be real cool to see!

Someone mentioned that if you don't win the game this week, you don't get paid...but, when you do win a game this week, you get paid REAL GOOD...

That should provide some 'motivation' for some of these players, huh?

 

[theogt]

Tony would have probably sucked it up if he would have been stuck in 2 years ago. However, who's to say he wouldn't be better now if he'd been playing for 2 years rather than carrying a clipboard? No one will ever know. Bottom line is that you get your best players on the field. That's about all anyone can ever do.

 

[theogt]

That would be real cool to see!

Someone mentioned that if you don't win the game this week, you don't get paid...but, when you do win a game this week, you get paid REAL GOOD...

That should provide some 'motivation' for some of these players, huh?

Yeah, it would provide a motivation for players to go play basketball, baseball, soccer, or some other sport instead of football.

 

[Fan Since 77]

Yeah, it would provide a motivation for players to go play basketball, baseball, soccer, or some other sport instead of football.

If it worked in the NFL, which it would, the other sports would follow.

 

[theogt]

If it worked in the NFL, which it would, the other sports would follow.

I doubt that it would work in the NFL and I doubt that, even if it did, any other sport would follow suit. Regardless, it will never happen because of organized labor.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The system will never be right until NFL contracts are awarded on a performance basis. Think about this for a second. Can you imagine how much more heart and desire these gifted athletes would play with if every catch, every TD, every rushing yard gave them more money?

free agency and the salary cap has also screwed up the QB position, since teams have only a set number of years before their player becomes a FA, and since most 1st round QBs, supposed franchise QBs, make so much, teams need to put that product on the field soon, and often times it hurts the player, since not all possess that 'it' quality, it needs to be honed for some, which comes when they are developed at their own pace

and the new CBA will only screw up that process for early-round QBs further, since contracts can't exceed 5 or 6 years

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, it would provide a motivation for players to go play basketball, baseball, soccer, or some other sport instead of football.

I don't think linemen have much of a choice, they would be pretty much stuck lol

 

[5Stars]

Yeah, it would provide a motivation for players to go play basketball, baseball, soccer, or some other sport instead of football.

That's true...but, this is not a serious subject, it's just mere speculation. Kinda like a saleman job, you don't work, you don't get paid...you work your butt off and there is no limit to the amount of money you can make...

Also, the players might not want to go to another sport if the money incentive is good enough when they win a game.

For example, instead of paying the McChoke and the Mannings hundreds of millions of dollars just for them, use that money and all the rest of the money that a team spends on players, and when the team wins a game, give all of them the same amount of money...BIG TIME MONEY for winning one game...

I know, it's a silly subject, but, let me ask you this question...has T.O. earned his 10 million so far this season? (just an example)...

 

[Bleed Blue]

the salary cap has also screwed up the QB position, since teams have only a set number of years before their player becomes a FA, and since most 1st round QBs, supposed franchise QBs, make so much, teams need to put that product on the field soon, and often times it hurts the player, since not all possess that 'it' quality, it needs to be honed for some, which comes when they are developed at their own pace

I could not have said it any better! :thankyou:

 

[conner01]

a system that paid just on performance would'nt work. lets say a guy is the top qb and he's picked with the first pick. then he would'nt make anything much if he was'nt the starter so why would he sign with a team where he could'nt start? same with paying for wins, who would ever play for the cards?
the sytem does'nt mean you have to play a guy right away. you have a guy for 4 years so you have time to develope guys it's just that teams pay so much for top picks they are just like fans here. they have no patience. look at carpenter, because he was a first round pick he's called a bust because he's not playing. but teams have to realize it takes time to develope players. another problem would be injured players. nfl contracts are fine, teams just need to learn patience

 

[big dog cowboy]

Someone mentioned that if you don't win the game this week, you don't get paid...but, when you do win a game this week, you get paid REAL GOOD...

The NFLPA would never go for that but it is an interesting idea.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I could not have said it any better! :thankyou:

JJ may be a horrible GM, but choosing to go for the boom-or-bust, low-risk, high reward route at QB, taking ones after the 1st round, and sometimes not from the draft at all, was smart thinking

too bad he was picking the wrong QBs, and was rushing them anyways lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The NFLPA would never go for that but it is an interesting idea.

yep, as they always say, it takes 2 to tango

 

[5Stars]

a system that paid just on performance would'nt work. lets say a guy is the top qb and he's picked with the first pick. then he would'nt make anything much if he was'nt the starter so why would he sign with a team where he could'nt start? same with paying for wins, who would ever play for the cards?
the sytem does'nt mean you have to play a guy right away. you have a guy for 4 years so you have time to develope guys it's just that teams pay so much for top picks they are just like fans here. they have no patience. look at carpenter, because he was a first round pick he's called a bust because he's not playing. but teams have to realize it takes time to develope players. another problem would be injured players. nfl contracts are fine, teams just need to learn patience

Very true...

I'm sure glad that I can spend my money on anything I want to spend it on without someone telling me that I can only spend a certain amount of my money in one year...

It seems unfair, but, like you mentioned the Cards, since they don't make the kind of cash that the Cowboys make, and since Bidwell would not spend any of the kind of cash that JJ would even if he did make that kind of money, the NFL has to scale back the amount of money to satisfy the dregs of the league...

Oh, well, I guess it is for the better...

 

[Fan Since 77]

a system that paid just on performance would'nt work. lets say a guy is the top qb and he's picked with the first pick. then he would'nt make anything much if he was'nt the starter so why would he sign with a team where he could'nt start? same with paying for wins, who would ever play for the cards?
the sytem does'nt mean you have to play a guy right away. you have a guy for 4 years so you have time to develope guys it's just that teams pay so much for top picks they are just like fans here. they have no patience. look at carpenter, because he was a first round pick he's called a bust because he's not playing. but teams have to realize it takes time to develope players. another problem would be injured players. nfl contracts are fine, teams just need to learn patience

You would still keep some kind of base salary system in place just like it is now. For example, if you're the first pick in the draft, your base salary is going to be higher than the second pick, etc. The performance options would be more like bonus incentives on your contract.

 

[skinsscalper]

The system will never be right until NFL contracts are awarded on a performance basis. Think about this for a second. Can you imagine how much more heart and desire these gifted athletes would play with if every catch, every TD, every rushing yard gave them more money?

I also think that NFL players would get more respect from the public than they do right now. Imagine, an NFL player has to earn a paycheck just like everybody else in the world. I can dream right?

I disagree wholeheartedly. If you think the game has too many self centered divas that whine about getting the ball now, just wait until a system like that comes to fruition. Draftees will be holding out due to the fact that they are backing up a veteran rather than being "the" guy. Purely performance based contracts would be a nightmare.

I DO, however, think that a rookie's contract should be capped. This crap of a kid making 25 million dollars without ever stepping on the field is a a joke. Far too many veterans are cut from teams to stay "under the cap" only to watch some "maybe" show up and tank it, but cash his millions based on what he MIGHT have done. This is ridiculous. I also think the disparity between the money paid to a first round pick and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. should be alot less. You gonna tell me that Winston Justice is worth more than Marques Colston this year? Or that Robert Gallery is worth more than virtually every other player that was picked after him in round one? It would also help if there was performance based incentive for 1st through 3rd year players that outperform their contracts that doesn't count against a teams salary cap. Maybe some type of pool that all teams contribute to. I knowthat a system is in place that does that to an extent, but the money should be more consistent with performance than with how many starts a guy gets. As it stands, Colston should be paid like one of the top ten WRs in the league. Chances are, he makes less than the long snapper. This would also help squash some of these holdouts. If you think Colston and his agent aren't going to make a little noise this off-season about ripping up his current contract, then you're betting against the odds. I might be wrong, but if he doesn't make noise this off-season then it only puts it off for a year (max). Then you have Javon Walker or Clinton Portis all over again. With a pool of some serious cash to reward these guys proportionately, then you avoid (or atleast quell) some of those types of things. Performance based? Yes, but not to the extent that their contract is purely based on those things. Once they reach RFA status, then they have their performance (or lack thereof) to tip the scales towards a new deal with a new team (if a kid's performing that well, many teams will pony up the draft pick(s) to aquire him). Right now, a guy like Colston is looking like the best WR to come out of college since....I can't even remember to be honest. Yet he's playing on a 7th round contract. There needs to be a (proportionate) system in place that addresses that type of thing.

SS

 

[cobra]

The pay based on performance idea is probably the worst idea I have heard in a while.

I can see it now:


"Romo... don't throw to TO! Throw to me! He got the last one and I need to feed my children!"

And what about guys like Pat McQ? You want him to sit, learn, and develop. But with no PT, is he on welfare?

I liked the tiered idea I read about one time:

There are is still a contract, but with tiered pay scales. For instance:

Level 1: $10 million a season
Level 2: $9 million a season
Level 3: $8 million a season
...
Level 20: $200,000 a season

Something along those lines.

That places a maximum on what a team can spend. If your team offers you a level 1 contract, no one can outbid you. The system also had some deal about teams that resign their own players have a level benefit (e.g., you resign with your team at a level 8 contract, but they are only charged a level 7 contract). The concept with that was to help build continuity among teams.

So, at the end of your contract, you might get some offers:

Team A: 3 years at level 5 and 2 years at level 4... a 5 year contract.
Team B: 3 years at level 4... a 3 year contract
Team C: 2 years at level 6, 1 year at level 5, 1 year at level 4, 1 year at level 3

And so on.

The draft picks work similarly:

There are pay tiers based on draft position. All contracts are for 3 years (teams can renegotiate if they wish). This prevents high draft picks of gouging a team and forcing them to start the rookie b/c of the money invested in them. And draft picks were either not counted under the cap or charged a fractional rate (or something like that).

The benefit of this system is that it provides a per player cap, but also forces relative values to be appreciated. It also places a premium on continuity.