The top 8 offenses last year

[percyhoward]

And there we are, on the same page.

Welcome to my page.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hate when people reply and yet they've made no point...

I think it's funny when people display their ignorance and try and bluster through anyway. It is like watching old Jerry Lewis flicks.

You have not shown that the variance created by our defensive outputs is statistically significant compared to the rest of the NFL such that it should be discarded. All you are doing is throwing out data inconvenient data to your bias. You don't in anyway show that our contributions to their totals were outside the normal distribution. And if you are going to play that game you need to remove all values outside the distribution and not just the one's cherry picked by your bias. Then you can retabulate and look to see what comes out.

Just because you don't understand that doesn't mean I don't have a point.

Please continue with your crusade of despair.

 

[KJJ]

1Denver
2Philadelphia
3Green Bay
4New Orleans
5San Diego
6Detroit
7New England
8Chicago


I was just looking at the stats from last year and realized that we played all of the top offenses last year except New England. In fact, those top offenses gave us 7 out of our 8 losses. In total, we went 1-7 against the best offenses in the league (splitting with Philly). The only team that beat us without a top 8 offense was the Chiefs who had a remarkable run last year.

Yes, our defense was bad last year, but we played against really great offenses. When we didn't play against a top 8 offense, we went 7-1. I thought this was interesting. Maybe our defense last year wasn't as terrible as I once believed.

That was a poor attempt to make the Cowboys defense look better than it was last season. The defense was every bit as terrible as the stats indicated with the D ranking dead last in yards and points allowed. It was the first defense in NFL history to give up four 400 yard passers in a season. The Saints set an NFL record with 41 first downs vs the Cowboys. Twice last season the Cowboys defense set franchise records for yards allowed with over 600 yards to Detroit and NO. It was like living a nightmare watching the Cowboys defense get taken apart almost every week. Of the 7 top offenses the Cowboys faced in 2013 two of those offenses GB and Chicago were playing with back up QB's who shredded the Cowboys defense for 8 TD passes.

The main reason the Cowboys were 7-1 vs non top 8 offenses was due primarily to those teams not getting efficient QB play and the Cowboys offense ranking higher than 5 of those teams. The two offenses that were ranked higher than the Cowboys (Washington and Minn) had bad QB situations and it was the Cowboys inability to defend the pass last season that was costing them most of their games. RG3 was having a down year and wasn't much of a threat throwing the ball. Minn had a poor defense last season ranking only one spot higher than the Cowboys and they had a bad QB situation with Ponder who turned the ball over 3 times vs the Cowboys.

The one victory the Cowboys had over the Giants last season was due to Eli having a subpar day with 2 turnovers. The Cowboys beat the Rams with the help of Bradford having an average day passing the football. Every QB the Cowboys faced last season who had an off day throwing the ball led to a Cowboys win. In the Cowboys one win over Philly Foles had his worst game of the season and ended up getting hurt. His replacement Barkley was even worse tossing 3 int's. The Cowboys were poor against the pass and the run last season but it was the passing game that was producing most of the points against them which led to all their losses.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think it's funny when people display their ignorance and try and bluster through anyway. It is like watching old Jerry Lewis flicks.

You have not shown that the variance created by our defensive outputs is statistically significant compared to the rest of the NFL such that it should be discarded. All you are doing is throwing out data inconvenient data to your bias. You don't in anyway show that our contributions to their totals were outside the normal distribution. And if you are going to play that game you need to remove all values outside the distribution and not just the one's cherry picked by your bias. Then you can retabulate and look to see what comes out.

Just because you don't understand that doesn't mean I don't have a point.

Please continue with your crusade of despair.

Actually I did, first post, check it out. You have the NFL average which is the average of all the teams these top teams played, and then you have our numbers, which are consistently subpar...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

1Denver - 457 (517)
2Philadelphia - 413 (278 and 366)
3Green Bay - 400 (433 without Rodgers)
4New Orleans - 399 (625)
5San Diego - 393 (506)
6Detroit - 392 (623)
7New England - 384
8Chicago - 381 (490 without Cutler)

So while you had a good thought, the reality is that we were well above their competitors average with the exception of Philly.

It's actually quite embarassing. Many of these teams were the top simply because they played us. We were that bad.

What's more interesting is that the offense wasn't as productive as it could have been. It was simply more opportunistic.

I'm sure it didn't help that we were 24th in the NFL in rushing yards and second to last in attempts.

It is quite literally madness to assume that "many of these teams were the t op simply because they played us."

Which of those teams were not a good offense except when they played us?

Also using yardage to define an offense is silly.

 

[Galian Beast]

It is quite literally madness to assume that "many of these teams were the t op simply because they played us."

Which of those teams were not a good offense except when they played us?

Also using yardage to define an offense is silly.

First this was simply a response to the OP, second if you look at the differences between teams, a few yards could have sent these teams lower, versus other teams higher. A 400 swing in yards changes a lot.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The defense was every bit as terrible as the stats indicated with the D ranking dead last in yards and points allowed.

We did not finish last in points allowed. But don't let facts get in the way of an otherwise great argument!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

First this was simply a response to the OP, second if you look at the differences between teams, a few yards could have sent these teams lower, versus other teams higher. A 400 swing in yards changes a lot.

You did not answer the question. Which of those teams were not objectively top offenses except when they played us?

Be specific please.

 

[Galian Beast]

You did not answer the question. Which of those teams were not objectively top offenses except when they played us?

Be specific please.

That's irrelelvant... The point of the OP was that our defense wasn't as bad because we played the best offenses, when that is in actuality a self fulfilling statement, especially when we influenced that outcome.

If we were on par or above par then the argument would hold weight. We are subpar in nearly ever situation... And by far.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually I did, first post, check it out. You have the NFL average which is the average of all the teams these top teams played, and then you have our numbers, which are consistently subpar...

Tell me in your own words what you think I am saying when I am talking about a distribution and outliers.

All you have done is point out that in some cases the yardage given up by us was greater. Then state your bias and more or less wave your hands. You have not demonstrated that they were top offenses because they played us. You haven't even demonstrated that they were consistent.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That's irrelelvant... The point of the OP was that our defense wasn't as bad because we played the best offenses, when that is in actuality a self fulfilling statement, especially when we influenced that outcome.

If we were on par or above par then the argument would hold weight. We are subpar in nearly ever situation... And by far.

I know what the OP said.

I'm responding to what you wrote.

Here let me quote you again...

1 Many of these teams were the top simply because they played us. .

Now i'll ask again. Slowly.

Which. Of. These. . Teams. Were. Top. Offenses. Simply. Because. They. Played. Us?

Please be specific.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You have not demonstrated that they were top offenses because they played us. You haven't even demonstrated that they were consistent.

I'm trying to find this answer as well.

 

[KJJ]

We did not finish last in points allowed. But don't let facts get in the way of an otherwise great argument!

I missed on one thing but it doesn't change the fact the defense was dreadful last season.

 

[Galian Beast]

Tell me in your own words what you think I am saying when I am talking about a distribution and outliers.

All you have done is point out that in some cases the yardage given up by us was greater. Then state your bias and more or less wave your hands. You have not demonstrated that they were top offenses because they played us. You haven't even demonstrated that they were consistent.

Not in some cases, in almost all of them...

 

[Galian Beast]

I know what the OP said.

I'm responding to what you wrote.

Here let me quote you again...



Now i'll ask again. Slowly.

Which. Of. These. . Teams. Were. Top. Offenses. Simply. Because. They. Played. Us?

Please be specific.

Look at the margins, and add the average amount of yards given to teams that didn't get to play us, take their average divide by 16 and replace both numbers. Then you'll have your answer.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Look at the margins, and add the average amount of yards given to teams that didn't get to play us, take their average divide by 16 and replace both numbers. Then you'll have your answer.

OK. So hyperbole. Objectively those were unarguably amongst the best offenses in football. Saying it's only because they played us shows either...

A) You have an agenda.

B) You didn't watch football last season.

C) You watched football but don't know how to process what you see.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not in some cases, in almost all of them...

And so what? As I stated before you have not demonstrated that the values were outside of the distribution.

I get that you have no idea what i am talking about but what it does is demonstrate quite clearly that you have no business attempting statistical analysis.

Stats without context are meaningless. Your cherry picking does not constitute context but it does epitomize confirmation bias and circular reasoning.

I am done here if you are just going to repeat yourself saying that you already have demonstrated what you claim. You clearly have not and have no clue as to how to go about it.

 

[Galian Beast]

OK. So hyperbole. Objectively those were unarguably amongst the best offenses in football. Saying it's only because they played us shows either...

A) You have an agenda.

B) You didn't watch football last season.

C) You watched football but don't know how to process what you see.

I didn't say it's only because they played us, but if the difference between many of the teams listed and the next 4-5 teams are heavily influenced by playing us.

Sorry kid.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And so what? As I stated before you have not demonstrated that the values were outside of the distribution.

I get that you have no idea what i am talking about but what it does is demonstrate quite clearly that you have no business attempting statistical analysis.

Stats without context are meaningless. Your cherry picking does not constitute context but it does epitomize confirmation bias and circular reasoning.

I am done here if you are just going to repeat yourself saying that you already have demonstrated what you claim. You clearly have not and have no clue as to how to go about it.

Yup. He's just making things up.

 

[KJJ]

Every team that beat the Cowboys last season except for KC and NY were top 10 passing offenses. The Cowboys faced the top 6 passing offenses Denver, NO, Detroit, San Diego, Chicago and GB and got shredded for 2342 passing yards and 20 TD passes. The Cowboys caught a huge break not having to face Rodgers or Cutler due to injuries only to see their journeymen replacements combine for 8 TD passes.

QB's were putting up video game numbers vs the Cowboys defense. It's going to be hard for the defense to duplicate and surpass the futility we saw last season but with the teams top passer rushers gone it's possible. If the Cowboys struggle against the run it's going to open up the passing game for those teams who aren't top passing teams.