The top WR/S/OT may not be good for Dallas

neosapien23

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summerisfunner said:
I bet you Lawson runs around the same time Ware did, 4.5, which is hella fast for a man 240+ pounds

Romo or Henson is our franshice QB, after all, this Cowboys franchise is developing them for that purpose

If Leinhart was available to us and we passed him over for Lawson our GM and Parcells should be shot. Lawson might be a great linebacker, but Leinhart might be a great quarterback. Leinhart has alot more upside than either Henson or Romo. Holmes has the potential to be a future number 1 wide reciever. Lawson will probably be a good player, but you cannot draft a linebacker over a skill position.
 

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neosapien23 said:
If Leinhart was available to us and we passed him over for Lawson our GM and Parcells should be shot.

get your gun out then :lmao2:


neosapien23 said:
Leinhart has alot more upside than either Henson or Romo.

Romo? yes, Henson? hell no, Henson has a much stronger arm

neosapien23 said:
but you cannot draft a linebacker over a skill position.

it's been done for years, and we did it just this last draft, and Santonio Holmes is one of the worst, "draft's #1 WR" in recent memory, I'd be PISSED if we drafted a #1 WR prospect as poor as Holmes, and Bill doesn't like drafting WRs in the 1st anyways, so I'm pretty sure I won't be pissed come draft day
 

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the BPA fanatics are like all fanatics- unwilling to listen to reason.
Unless you are talking about an incredible talent, BPA is VERY SUBJECTIVE.
Usually there are 8-10 players at any one time that can be argued to be the BPA. Pick one that can help the team NOW. Really very simple. Leinart is not an overwhelming choice. BUSH may be, but only for certain teams, because he is NOT an everydown RB that can tote the pig 25 times a game. Young- a running QB is always a risk. Ferguson- maybe the only one that you can really call a BPA regardless since just about ANY team can use a top OT.
If Ferguson was available of course we should take him. The rest- we have no need at those positions for the next year or two at least- we can be PATIENT.
 

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summerisfunner said:
you draft for immediate starters with your 1st 3 picks, and Lawson and Carpenter are a strong foundation for the future too

btw, Lawson has more potential than Jon Scott, Holmes and Leinart, he's a MUCh better athlete

You really tell exactly who will be an immediate starter, but since we might be letting Glover go, I think we should take Bunkley in the 1st as his replacement either now or in the future. Then take Omar Jacobs in the second and give him a year to learn the offense before replacing Bledsoe and I believe Kai Parham has the athleticism to start in place of Dat.
 

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burmafrd said:
the BPA fanatics are like all fanatics- unwilling to listen to reason.
Unless you are talking about an incredible talent, BPA is VERY SUBJECTIVE.
Usually there are 8-10 players at any one time that can be argued to be the BPA. Pick one that can help the team NOW. Really very simple. Leinart is not an overwhelming choice. BUSH may be, but only for certain teams, because he is NOT an everydown RB that can tote the pig 25 times a game. Young- a running QB is always a risk. Ferguson- maybe the only one that you can really call a BPA regardless since just about ANY team can use a top OT.
If Ferguson was available of course we should take him. The rest- we have no need at those positions for the next year or two at least- we can be PATIENT.
If any of the four you specifcally mention are available at 18, unless one becomes an invalid, when we draft if we by pass them its a huge mistake based on talent.
 

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summerisfunner said:
I bet you Lawson runs around the same time Ware did, 4.5, which is hella fast for a man 240+ pounds

Romo or Henson is our franshice QB, after all, this Cowboys franchise is developing them for that purpose

We need an inside pass rush moreso than another 1st round outside linebacker to rush the passer. There are a number of good pass rushing lb's to be had later in the draft. In order to build for the future, we need a d-lineman to replace Glover and it's relatively easy to find under-sized pass rushing lbs, not so easy to find good pass-rushing DT's. Romo and Henson are not even legitamate backup qb's, let alone starters, that's why we need to take Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round.
 

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burmafrd said:
the BPA fanatics are like all fanatics- unwilling to listen to reason.
Unless you are talking about an incredible talent, BPA is VERY SUBJECTIVE.
Usually there are 8-10 players at any one time that can be argued to be the BPA. Pick one that can help the team NOW. Really very simple. Leinart is not an overwhelming choice. BUSH may be, but only for certain teams, because he is NOT an everydown RB that can tote the pig 25 times a game. Young- a running QB is always a risk. Ferguson- maybe the only one that you can really call a BPA regardless since just about ANY team can use a top OT.
If Ferguson was available of course we should take him. The rest- we have no need at those positions for the next year or two at least- we can be PATIENT.

Risk! What risk? How was Elway,Steve Young,McNabb,Roethlisberger,McNair ever a risk. All have played in more superbowls than Manning/Marino. How come Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning haven't been able to duplicate what big Ben has been able to accomplish. He is the winningest of all the last 4 years worth of 1st round qbs and the best athlete too. Even Mike Vick has won more than Carr,Harrington,Leftwich,Eli,Grossman,Ramsey,etc.
 

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Elway did nothing untill they got a running game. By the time he won a SB he was at the end of his career. Young got one ring. What has Vick done?
Mcflabb? I don't see any rings there. So much for the history of running QB's.
Roths is NOT a running QB- anyone thinks that is truly crazy!!
 

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kartr said:
Romo and Henson are not even legitamate backup qb's, let alone starters, that's why we need to take Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round.

Here we go! Quincy is still available! Why is that?

How can you say Romo and Henson are not even backups? You been to practice and watched them? Either one is better than Carter ever thought of being. Check out the "Worst Cowboy Ever" thread QC was leading last time I looked!

Get over it!
 

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burmafrd said:
the BPA fanatics are like all fanatics- unwilling to listen to reason.
Unless you are talking about an incredible talent, BPA is VERY SUBJECTIVE.
Usually there are 8-10 players at any one time that can be argued to be the BPA. Pick one that can help the team NOW. Really very simple. Leinart is not an overwhelming choice. BUSH may be, but only for certain teams, because he is NOT an everydown RB that can tote the pig 25 times a game. Young- a running QB is always a risk. Ferguson- maybe the only one that you can really call a BPA regardless since just about ANY team can use a top OT.
If Ferguson was available of course we should take him. The rest- we have no need at those positions for the next year or two at least- we can be PATIENT.
I'd say that Hawk and Ngata are sure bets.
 

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kartr said:
We need an inside pass rush moreso than another 1st round outside linebacker to rush the passer. There are a number of good pass rushing lb's to be had later in the draft. In order to build for the future, we need a d-lineman to replace Glover and it's relatively easy to find under-sized pass rushing lbs, not so easy to find good pass-rushing DT's. Romo and Henson are not even legitamate backup qb's, let alone starters, that's why we need to take Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round.

dude, stick to talking about Quincy Carter, because you are wrong on so many levels, the 3-down lineman's responsibility in the 3-4 is to tie up blockers to let the LBs make plays, which is also the strength of the 3-4, and the OLBs are the 2 LBs who are supposed to get after the QB, and make plays in the backfield, and if you don't have 2 OLBs capable of doing those 2 things very well, you miss the whole point of the 3-4, so basically there's no use running the scheme then, the 3-4's biggest advantage is disguising the 3rd and 4th rusher among the LBs, and thusly confuse the opposing Olineman and QB
 
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