The win now/best chance trap

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

We never fully dismantled the team Parcells inherited, we tore up and duct taped as we kept trying to win now...that is a very difficult thing to do...it requires youth to play like veterans, vets to play perfect football, and coaches to make in game changes that work...and guess what?

i don't mind criticiaing parcells if he deserves it.

however, i don't understand this comment.

there are only like 4 players on the roster today leftover from dave campo's last team.

what wasn't blown up?

 

[blindzebra]

i don't mind criticiaing parcells if he deserves it.

however, i don't understand this comment.

there are only like 4 players on the roster today leftover from dave campo's last team.

what wasn't blown up?

Go back and re-read the thread, I already clarified what I wrote.

It took 4 offseasons to get us to that point and what are we?

A 500 team, we are 2 games over 500 under Parcells, with an offense led by a QB that will always be a 50/50 QB.

We will never win until we do on offense what we took 3 years to do on defense, which was my point.

 

[Stautner]

Go back and re-read the thread, I already clarified what I wrote.

It took 4 offseasons to get us to that point and what are we?

A 500 team, we are 2 games over 500 under Parcells, with an offense led by a QB that will always be a 50/50 QB.

We will never win until we do on offense what we took 3 years to do on defense, which was my point.

We did what we did on defense because we were changing defensive schemes - the same need to change out personnel doesn't exist on offense.

Of course we do need new blood on offense and upgrades at several positions, but we couldn't do what we did with the defense and do everything with the offense we would like at the same time - just not enough resources for that.

 

[ZeroClub]

But what if we need to defeat teams that pressure the QB and/or have talent that is equal to or somewhat superior to ours ..... which obviously we will have to if we hope to ger over the hump and be true championship contenders .......?

I see it the same way.

There are a number of other NFL QBs that I'd rather the Cowboys start.

I'd even take Charlie Frye over Bledsoe. Frye's QB rating is actually a bit better than Bledsoe's right now, despite Frye playing with a weak running game and a patchwork OL.

 

[blindzebra]

We did what we did on defense because we were changing defensive schemes - the same need to change out personnel doesn't exist on offense.

Of course we do need new blood on offense and upgrades at several positions, but we couldn't do what we did with the defense and do everything with the offense we would like at the same time - just not enough resources for that.

And we waited how long to commit to changing that scheme? That is my point. We didn't make a drastic move to rebuild...we tried to remodel and still win.

We have more overall talent, that isn't in question, but we still have no QB for the long haul...that we have seen, anyway...we are old at WR, and have questions still on the OL.

Had Parcells came in and blew it up, started tooling for the 3-4, signing younger free agents that fit the changes, drafted more 50/50, committed to playing the young QBs to see if we had one to build around, we may have been worse than 500 those first 2 years, but we might be better off right now too.

 

[gbrittain]

And we waited how long to commit to changing that scheme? That is my point. We didn't make a drastic move to rebuild...we tried to remodel and still win.

We have more overall talent, that isn't in question, but we still have no QB for the long haul...that we have seen, anyway...we are old at WR, and have questions still on the OL.

Had Parcells came in and blew it up, started tooling for the 3-4, signing younger free agents that fit the changes, drafted more 50/50, committed to playing the young QBs to see if we had one to build around, we may have been worse than 500 those first 2 years, but we might be better off right now too.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bill Parcells screwed up from the get go.

He should have cleaned house his first year, but he did not. The fact is we are paying for that now.

I wonder how different the Cowboys of the 90s would have looked had Jimmy decided to keep around Randy White, Too Tall, Danny White, and Everson Walls.

BP has always been a 3-4 guy and he should have bit the bullet the year he got here. Sure, we do not go to the playoffs for our one and done appearance. However, I would think this team is much further along than it actually is.

 

[Stautner]

And we waited how long to commit to changing that scheme? That is my point. We didn't make a drastic move to rebuild...we tried to remodel and still win.

We have more overall talent, that isn't in question, but we still have no QB for the long haul...that we have seen, anyway...we are old at WR, and have questions still on the OL.

Had Parcells came in and blew it up, started tooling for the 3-4, signing younger free agents that fit the changes, drafted more 50/50, committed to playing the young QBs to see if we had one to build around, we may have been worse than 500 those first 2 years, but we might be better off right now too.

The first year Parcells was here we had the number one defense in the NFL - why change then?

The second year things failed on defense and it made sense to make the move. He has spent the last 2 years building that - it can't happen overnight.

As for offense - you still are missing the point. We don't HAVE to make wholesale changes on offense - we don't HAVE to make that kind of commitment. The offense today and the offense when Parcells came don't require personal with different bodies and skills to make the offense work. We need upgrades, not wholesale changes.

On defense Glover was too small for the 3-4. Most of our DE's were too small. WE didn't have any OLB's with the combination of speed and size needed to play the 3-4. We had to specifically target draft picks and free agents to get the type of player we needed. We didn't have a NT, which necessitated the acquisition of Ferguson.

See the difference - the dramatic number of moves on defense were necessitated as much by finding body styles that fit as much as quality upgrades.

The offense doesn't have the same issues.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Someone needs to maybe read the entire thread before making smart arse comments.

Just where have the two good games been?

Id say he looked pretty good in the whooping of Tennesee minus that early pick. Played well against Washington too.

You dont win games in a convincing fashion if your QB doesn't play well. Come on. You know that.

I do agree that Bledsoe has left alot to be desired at times. We knew what we were getting with him.

Unless this defense gels and becomes trully dominant, we won't win anything big with Bledsoe.

I still think he gets us to the playoffs this year. He's taken a team to the SB before, twice (sort of, he did play alot of that Pittsburgh game for NE).

I think it's a bit too early to panick. If we were 1-3 or 0-4, then I could see a good case for Romo.

Alot of the bad plays had alot to do with our coaching staff deciding to go 5 wide against a team that loves to blitz.

Bledsoe couged it hard.

But I wouldn't toss the season yet (not saying Romo would stink it up). But doesn't it scare you just a tad bit that Romo has done nothing in the REGULAR season? If you think Drew did badly yesterday, you can't honestly think that Romo would have known what hit him with those blitzes they threw at Drew. Romo has only seen pre-season defenses.

 

[blindzebra]

The first year Parcells was here we had the number one defense in the NFL - why change then?

The second year things failed on defense and it made sense to make the move. He has spent the last 2 years building that - it can't happen overnight.

As for offense - you still are missing the point. We don't HAVE to make wholesale changes on offense - we don't HAVE to make that kind of commitment. The offense today and the offense when Parcells came don't require personal with different bodies and skills to make the offense work. We need upgrades, not wholesale changes.

On defense Glover was too small for the 3-4. Most of our DE's were too small. WE didn't have any OLB's with the combination of speed and size needed to play the 3-4. We had to specifically target draft picks and free agents to get the type of player we needed. We didn't have a NT, which necessitated the acquisition of Ferguson.

See the difference - the dramatic number of moves on defense were necessitated as much by finding body styles that fit as much as quality upgrades.

The offense doesn't have the same issues.

No offense just has the need for the hardest position to fill...a franchise QB.

We have an inconsistent, underachiever at LT, a journeyman FA at LG, a 2 headed monster at center of bulk with mental mistakes, or error free play that gets pushed around, a vet on the down side at RG, and a injured ? at RT...and we have another near washed up vet, an unsigned FA, and a 7th round pick behind them...excuse me if I'm not thinking early 90's Dallas OL with this bunch.

Both our starting WRs are over 30.

We need some players, scheme change or not.

 

[ZeroClub]

But I wouldn't toss the season yet (not saying Romo would stink it up). But doesn't it scare you just a tad bit that Romo has done nothing in the REGULAR season? If you think Drew did badly yesterday, you can't honestly think that Romo would have known what hit him with those blitzes they threw at Drew. Romo has only seen pre-season defenses.

Romo's lack of experience is a huge concern.

But what is known about Bledsoe is darn scary too - the interceptions, sacks, and fumbles.

Yeah, the blitzes would have bothered Romo too, but at least he can roll out and spread the field a little. He throws well on the run, presents a moving target to the blitzers, and defenses have to worry about his potential as a running threat.

He may be easier to confuse than Bledsoe, but Romo would be more difficult to defend. Romo may be more difficult to rattle.

Would he make more negative plays than Bledsoe? No way to know yet.

But I don't think the Cowboys have much to lose by finding out.

 

[bbgun]

We know we can't win with Bledsoe. We don't know that about Romo. It's time to find out. The tragedy is that Bled will probably light up Houston, meaning he'll cling to his job for a few more damaging weeks.

 

[Stautner]

No offense just has the need for the hardest position to fill...a franchise QB.

We have an inconsistent, underachiever at LT, a journeyman FA at LG, a 2 headed monster at center of bulk with mental mistakes, or error free play that gets pushed around, a vet on the down side at RG, and a injured ? at RT...and we have another near washed up vet, an unsigned FA, and a 7th round pick behind them...excuse me if I'm not thinking early 90's Dallas OL with this bunch.

Both our starting WRs are over 30.

We need some players, scheme change or not.

If you will read I said we needed upgrades on offense - I never said QB was the only issue.

I merely said that we didn't have to make changes regardless of talent on offense like we had to do on defense - the scheme dictated changes as much on defense as the talent. On offense the talent deficiencies were the only factor.

Plus, as i said a few posts ago, there is no way we had the resources (or that any team would) to make all the changes and acquisitions we did on defense AND be able to do the same on offense at the same time.

Parcells chose to go all out to do what he felt was needed on the defense and try and tweak and patch the offense for the time being. The other choices would have been to (A) go all out on the offense and patch/tweak the defense, or (B) just do the best he could trying to help both sides of the ball but without giving full attention to either.

 

[renny]

why not Romo? the boys are a .500 team according to BP. "your record says
you are what you are". 2-2

 

[wileedog]

We remodeled, but we keep finding problems, because we didn't rebuild on both sides of the ball, because we wanted to win.

I will say that this offense would look much, much different if either Peterman or Rogers worked out, much less both of them. We've also added a pro-bowl TE and a slowly emerging workhorse back.

You can fault the execution, but they did make the effort.

 

[zrinkill]

Because the Eagles barely beat us at their house, in the most important game in their history ...... we now suck.



Give me a break.

 

[blindzebra]

Because the Eagles barely beat us at their house, in the most important game in their history ...... we now suck.



Give me a break.

Does the word hyperbole ring any bells.

 

[Bach]

Because the Eagles barely beat us at their house, in the most important game in their history ...... we now suck.



Give me a break.

Bledsoe sucks, but then again, that's not a new revelation.

 

[jeff]

I think we only have two starters left from when Bill took over - Flozell and Roy Williams. Not positive about that, but that's pretty close. The point is, I think Bill has over-hauled this team and basically done a good job.

Now, he has patched it up in a couple of places with older vets, like Rivero and Ferguson... And, of course, Bledsoe. I think trying to take a short-cut on quarterback was a gamble - and it just didn't pay off.

There's been some other short cuts with late round draft picks (Watkins) and a cast off here and there (Columbo), but I think that's on every team. Basically, I agree with your main point.... Give Romo a chance.

 

[jeff]

We know we can't win with Bledsoe. We don't know that about Romo. It's time to find out. The tragedy is that Bled will probably light up Houston, meaning he'll cling to his job for a few more damaging weeks.

yeah, and the Texans would be a nice game to acclimate Romo. But, it probably won't happen until we're 6 and 6 and desperate.