There is no such thing as a "lucky" turnover

[TheRomoSexual]

This phrase should be eliminated from the board's lexicon immediately. I'm alway stunned when people downplay a turnover because (according to some) a turnover that is a result of another's mistake is somehow not as impressive. Well, this argument is bunk because EVERY turnover is a result of another's mistake and there is a mistake on every possession. Turnovers are the result of awareness and proper positioning to capitalize on mistakes.

Take Eli's last turnover -- some say it was a "fluke" turnover, but again, there is no such thing. The int was the result of Hatcher's pressure and Carr's awareness around Eli's premature throw. Without either of those factors, you only have a mistake, NOT a turnover.

 

[The Natural]

Ball miraculously bouncing off of Witten's foot into a defenders hands = lucky turnover

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Ball miraculously bouncing off of Witten's foot into a defenders hands = lucky turnover

Absolutely not. If the defender wasn't completely aware of the circumstances, you have only a mistake, not a TO.

 

[The Natural]

Absolutely not. If the defender wasn't completely aware of the circumstances, you have only a mistake, not a TO.

Luck is part of the game. It's not a science.

 

[SDCowboy]

lol there are tons of lucky turnovers. Heck, ALL of them are to some extent. If a ball is fumbled, it has to bounce one direction or another. If a ball is tipped, it has to fly one direction or another, etc.

 

[SDCowboy]

Absolutely not. If the defender wasn't completely aware of the circumstances, you have only a mistake, not a TO.

You realize for the ball to be kicked directly to him is, in fact, luck, right?

 

[Risen Star]

Ball miraculously bouncing off of Witten's foot into a defenders hands = lucky turnover

Right. A ridiculous notion that luck doesn't play a part in the game.

But I don't believe those 6 turnovers were all about luck.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Luck is part of the game. It's not a science.

Luck creates opportunities, NOT turnovers. This really isn't hard to understand.

Luck -- the opportunity for a turnover.

Turnover -- the culmination of creating a situation that results in a "lucky" opportunity and the having the awareness to seize the same.

 

[CATCH17]

I'll have to disagree that there isn't lucky turnovers but a turnover is a turnover. I don't really care how we get it.

 

[SDCowboy]

Luck creates opportunities, NOT turnovers. This really isn't hard to understand.

Luck -- the opportunity for a turnover.

Turnover -- the culmination of creating a situation that results in a "lucky" opportunity and the having the awareness to seize the same.

Not sure if serious or doesn't know what luck is...

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Right. A ridiculous notion that luck doesn't play a part in the game.

But I don't believe those 6 turnovers were all about luck.

Again, I'm not saying luck isn't part of the game, and if you got that from my post you need to read again. I'm saying there is no such thing as a lucky turnover.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Not sure if serious or doesn't know what luck is...

Not sure if dense or can't read...

 

[SDCowboy]

Not sure if dense or can't read...

So you don't know what luck is. Got it. Every turnover is a result of luck. If the ball is fumbled, it is luck that determines who the ball goes to. If a ball is overthrown for a pick, it is luck if the ball is thrown in the direction of a defender. If a ball is tipped, it is luck that determines what direction the ball flies.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

unforced turnovers are lucky.

it also take a great deal of bad luck to have as few turnovers as we did last year

 

[Rockport]

Call it what you will, but the ball bouncing off of a Giants defender on the punt was a lucky turnover.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right. A ridiculous notion that luck doesn't play a part in the game.

But I don't believe those 6 turnovers were all about luck.

To an extent there is a bit of luck but as Jimmy Johnson himself said much of the luck comes from hard work and being prepared. You can teach guys to rip the ball to swarm the ball carrier to run them through continuous fumble drills and Kiffin and Rod Marinelli have done that and I know Marinelli did that in Chicago, they don't just talk about the importance of creating turnover they work them in practice and stress those things. I think when you get that mind set and the ball hits the turf our guys are ready to pounce on it. Even balls that are not fumbles players are hustling to the ball and getting on it, heck you never know what the official may rule. I have seen in the past guys standing around with this defensive staff they are hustling to the ball, you do that you will see a lot more so called lucky breaks fall their way

 

[TheRomoSexual]

So you don't know what luck is. Got it. Every turnover is a result of luck. If the ball is fumbled, it is luck that determines who the ball goes to. If a ball is overthrown for a pick, it is luck if the ball is thrown in the direction of a defender. If a ball is tipped, it is luck that determines what direction the ball flies.

So, dense huh?

Luck, by definition, means fortune due to events beyond one's control. As such, and as I said, opportunities for a turnover can be created by luck, but the actual turnover itself is not "lucky" because it is not predicated on everts entirely outside of one's control, but rather those events AND one's own awareness and preparation.

 

[Idgit]

The harder we work at it, the luckier we seem to get. I'll take em.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Call it what you will, but the ball bouncing off of a Giants defender on the punt was a lucky turnover.

It wasn't, because if our guys weren't aware enough to pounce on the ball, there is no turnover.

 

[SDCowboy]

So, dense huh?

Luck, by definition, means fortune due to events beyond one's control. As such, and as I said, opportunities for a turnover can be created by luck, but the actual turnover itself is not "lucky" because it is not predicated on everts entirely outside of one's control, but rather those events AND one's own awareness and preparation.

You can force a fumble, for example, but it is complete luck which direction the ball goes. Said fumble is only a turnover if the opposite team comes up with it. Who the ball bounced to, on said fumble, is complete luck. Put the pieces together. It's not that tough. There is more to a turnover than what caused the other team to lose the ball.