There is no such thing as a "lucky" turnover

[TheRomoSexual]

Wow, completely aware, huh? Yes, props to Carr for being so highly trained that he noticed the ball flying directly at him. Dude, I used to make that interception playing football in my backyard when I was nine.

Haha yes, and I'm sure in your backyard you had Tampa-2 coverage with containment responsibilities. These kind of posts always crack me up.

 

[cowboys2233]

Haha yes, and I'm sure in your backyard you had Tampa-2 coverage with containment responsibilities. These kind of posts always crack me up.

And you crack me up when you suggest that interception had anything to do with some high level of preparedness or keen awareness. The ball was right in front of his face, all he had to do was grab it and run into the endzone. My point was that any little kid could have made that interception and yet you're fawning all over the guy for his incredible awareness. It's laughable.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

And you crack me up when you suggest that interception had anything to do with some high level of preparedness or keen awareness. The ball was right in front of his face, all he had to do was grab it and run into the endzone. My point was that any little kid could have made that interception and yet you're fawning all over the guy for his incredible awareness. It's laughable.

What's laughable is your inability to grasp the point. As I said, the turnover was not only due to Carr's awareness, but also because of Hatcher's pressure. Without either, there is no turnover. Oh, and this team has dropped plenty of those types of passes in the past. But please continue to thrill us with your stories of your youthful backyard antics.

 

[bklyn1028]

I'm sorry neither of you can come up with an actual intelligent counter-argument.

The only intelligent counter-argument is that you are completely closed minded. You constantly harp on the fact that EVERYONE on here who says "luck" plays a part in ANY sport as well as Sunday's game is wrong.

By the way fellas, kudos to you on the Sunday game...whether we gave it away, or not, congrats. Kudos to Romo also for playing in what appeared to be a lot of pain.

There is absolutely NO WAY luck cannot play a part in any sport, especially the physics of the shape of an American football. The oblong shape decides the placement of the "bounce" when it hits the ground, NOT the placement of a defender who happens to be standing in the right place at the right time. You simply cannot tell me that when a punter hits the 5 yard line, and the ball does not freeze on that spot, but bounces into the end zone, is happenchance, not luck.....Sorry.....you sir are wrong.

 

[imbatman]

There is chance. There is no such thing as luck. Every unexpected bounce of the football can be explained. There is no magic involved.

The fact that the Cowboys generated almost 1/3 the number of turnovers that they did all of last season was not arbitrary. Or at least evidence would suggest it wasn't. We might argue that the Cowboys were on the fortunate end of chance on a couple occasions but it could just as easily be argued that the Cowboys created that good fortune.

 

[bklyn1028]

There is chance. There is no such thing as luck. Every unexpected bounce of the football can be explained. There is no magic involved.

The fact that the Cowboys generated almost 1/3 the number of turnovers that they did all of last season was not arbitrary. Or at least evidence would suggest it wasn't. We might argue that the Cowboys were on the fortunate end of chance on a couple occasions but it could just as easily be argued that the Cowboys created that good fortune.

I would love to have what you and the OP are smoking.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The only intelligent counter-argument is that you are completely closed minded. You constantly harp on the fact that EVERYONE on here who says "luck" plays a part in ANY sport as well as Sunday's game is wrong.

By the way fellas, kudos to you on the Sunday game...whether we gave it away, or not, congrats. Kudos to Romo also for playing in what appeared to be a lot of pain.

There is absolutely NO WAY luck cannot play a part in any sport, especially the physics of the shape of an American football. The oblong shape decides the placement of the "bounce" when it hits the ground, NOT the placement of a defender who happens to be standing in the right place at the right time. You simply cannot tell me that when a punter hits the 5 yard line, and the ball does not freeze on that spot, but bounces into the end zone, is happenchance, not luck.....Sorry.....you sir are wrong.

Wow, another person who doesn't get it. I admitted that, depending on how you define the term, luck plays a part in EVERY play but is never the sole factor in any play. Thus, calling a turnover "lucky" is redundant.

If you want to get philosophical, luck, by definition, means fortune completely independent of your actions, and due to my views of the inter-connectedness of existence, "luck" only play a part in the circumstances of your birth. But, that's. separate debate for another day.

 

[cowboys2233]

There is chance. There is no such thing as luck. Every unexpected bounce of the football can be explained. There is no magic involved.

You guys are such geniuses. So there is no magical, mystical power out there called "luck?" Thanks for that. The term "luck" is simply a term used to describe a fortuitous occurrence. If during the year, you win 9 of 16 coin flips, you can deem your team "lucky" because they had a higher rate of success than what the probability of two potential outcomes would have predicted (56% versus 50%). The probability that the ball would bounce off the RB directly into Carr's waiting arms are very low. As such, it can be considered a very fortuitous bounce and by extension, a lucky one.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I would love to have what you and the OP are smoking.

Intelligence, and apparently you need a hit of some.

 

[imbatman]

I would love to have what you and the OP are smoking.

I would think that not believing in magic is a rather sober position to take. Do you believe in leprechauns and fairies as well?

 

[bklyn1028]

I would think that not believing in magic is a rather sober position to take. Do you believe in leprechauns and fairies as well?

Ahhhhh,,,,,,not luck by magic....now that makes a difference. there you go

 

[imbatman]

You guys are such geniuses. So there is no magical, mystical power out there called "luck?" Thanks for that. The term "luck" is simply a term used to describe a fortuitous occurrence. If during the year, you win 9 of 16 coin flips, you can deem your team "lucky" because they had a higher rate of success than what the probability of two potential outcomes would have predicted (56% versus 50%). The probability that the ball would bounce off the RB directly into Carr's waiting arms are very low. As such, it can be considered a very fortuitous bounce and by extension, a lucky one.

Many would argue that the 10 other Cowboys players on the field — not to mention the residual effect of the plays leading up to it — played a role in that play not being a successful one for the Giants.

 

[Ender]

This phrase should be eliminated from the board's lexicon immediately. I'm alway stunned when people downplay a turnover because (according to some) a turnover that is a result of another's mistake is somehow not as impressive. Well, this argument is bunk because EVERY turnover is a result of another's mistake and there is a mistake on every possession. Turnovers are the result of awareness and proper positioning to capitalize on mistakes.

Take Eli's last turnover -- some say it was a "fluke" turnover, but again, there is no such thing. The int was the result of Hatcher's pressure and Carr's awareness around Eli's premature throw. Without either of those factors, you only have a mistake, NOT a turnover.

Agree 100 percent. im sure its a direct correlation that the D practices getting turnovers and what happened Weds. Its actual damning that the Rob Ryan and previous D coordinators didnt practice this. I guess i was naive thinking that that was something teams actually practice doing, its seems logical to do so.

 

[bklyn1028]

When a QB makes an errant throw, and a DB reads his eyes/face/body-language and intercepts it, that is not luck but training, and a professionalism for the game. When a DB is in the vicinity of a ball that bounces off someone's body part, that isn't professionalism, but he was in the right place at the right time. There is no way on God's green earth you are going to tell me that he "practiced" for that play. Pullleeezzzeee.


Wait, I get it now. This is a joke session, right? This is all in fun, right? I mean you don't REALLY believe what you are saying, correct?

LOL...that was a good one, you had me for a minute.