These PFF cornerback rankings will make you cry

[TonyRomo17]

not a big fan of pff, especially for db ratings since they dont use all-22 film.
Also for what is worth, Carr is ranked #6 here, scandrick #20
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=CB

 

[TonyRomo17]

They are getting more and more press though. I've heard all the big tv, and radio personalities, on all the networks use their stuff.

yup its pretty sad that basically all the media now uses these rankings instead of actually waching games. one hilarious example is pete prisco having doug free is his mid season all pro team because he was the highest ranked tackle according to PFF

 

[DuDa]

Alan Ball just fits better in that scheme and has matured as a CB. I remember him being terrible. Any CB with the nickname of "The human 3rd down conversion" cannot be that good can they?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The usual disclaimer: PFF rankings aren't the definitive word in everything but they are interesting.

Alan Ball 16th
Orlando Scandrick 24th
Terence Newman 28th
Brandon Carr 44th
Mo Claiborne 97th

:mindblown:

only the cowboys i tell ya...only the cowboys.

I wonder how much Carr's rankings are skewed by the Detroit game. I'm not making excuses for him (or maybe I am), but it seems the problem was as much schematic as Carr-related. Asking any corner to go mono-e-mono with Calvin Johnson is too much.

 

[jobberone]

They are all flawed since you don't know the plays, routes, defensive scheme etc. The wrong DB is going to get dinged for a reception or yards for a pass to a player not his responsibility etc.

So each team needs to do their own grades and even then they are not going to be perfect.

Using CS/T, CS/Rec and Yds/CS works as good as anything else albeit imperfect. All you have to really do is look at our pass defensive ratings etc and eyeball it and you can see who is doing it and who isn't.

Get a little better pass rush, LB coverage, let Carr play his game, and get someone to help Church and we may get enough defense to win some.

 

[XxTDxX]

I find it hard to believe they can gauge how well a corner is playing very accurately without factoring in how much pressure the D-Line is getting and without factoring in whether or not they are getting adequate safety help as well.. Scandrick has played better than what his number is there and Carr has had some really bad moments but has also had some gamechanging moments as well.

 

[jobberone]

I find it hard to believe they can gauge how well a corner is playing very accurately without factoring in how much pressure the D-Line is getting and without factoring in whether or not they are getting adequate safety help as well.. Scandrick has played better than what his number is there and Carr has had some really bad moments but has also had some gamechanging moments as well.

I agree but over 16 games generally it should even out roughly. Sort of.

 

[XxTDxX]

I also wonder if this takes into account the receivers they have to cover and if they have to move around

A guy who looks shaky covering the other teams best WR all the time might look pretty good if he only had to worry about one side of the field etc.. While a guy who looks solid as a teams #2 or #3 corner might statistically be worse if he was forced to step up and take on the other teams best weapon

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I wonder how much Carr's rankings are skewed by the Detroit game. I'm not making excuses for him (or maybe I am), but it seems the problem was as much schematic as Carr-related. Asking any corner to go mono-e-mono with Calvin Johnson is too much.

Carr has had a solid year. The game that stick out are the Lions game and MAYBE the Andre Holmes game. I personally don't worry about Scandrick or Carr when they are out there. Its the rest of the secondary that worries me.

 

[jobberone]

I also wonder if this takes into account the receivers they have to cover and if they have to move around

A guy who looks shaky covering the other teams best WR all the time might look pretty good if he only had to worry about one side of the field etc.. While a guy who looks solid as a teams #2 or #3 corner might statistically be worse if he was forced to step up and take on the other teams best weapon

That's why, IMO, coverage snaps is the best way to address it. A coverage snap is the primary DB defending a targeted receiver, yds per CS, and receptions per CS. There's more to it including INTs, passes defended, yada

 

[TrailBlazer]

Alan ball playing well? What kind of world are we living in?


This is not possible.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Dumb rankings...

 

[Matts4313]

The usual disclaimer: PFF rankings aren't the definitive word in everything but they are interesting.

Alan Ball 16th
Orlando Scandrick 24th
Terence Newman 28th
Brandon Carr 44th
Mo Claiborne 97th

:mindblown:

only the cowboys i tell ya...only the cowboys.

This is all the proof that you need that PFF is stupid and anyone who uses them as the basis of their opinion should re-evaluate.

 

[Matts4313]

Way to represent MO! You're really giving us fans something to hang our hats on, I mean at least you're not last right?

Though I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the players, I think it's more of the scheme/coaching not putting players in the best position to succeed. You can't tell me that if we had Ball or Newman still that they'd still be ranked 16th and 28th.

The way PFF grades is ridiculous. The reason Mo is so low is the bad first few game were he was coming back from injury and changing schemes. Mo has played fin the last ~5 games that he was healthy.

 

[TrailBlazer]

The only way to get an accurate view of a player is to actually, ya know, what that player on every down and make your own judgment.

It's impossible to grade players using a formula. It might be somewhat correct. But the best bet is the eye in the sky.

 

[strasscat]

PFF rankings....

 

[visionary]

All this chest thumping or hand wringing is meaningless fluff
It does not matter which poster said or thought what or who we think is a scheme fit and who is not
The reality is that the cowboys (allegedly) has a FO whose job should be to know these things and to be able to evaluate and determine this with some accuracy

The real sad part (and an important reason for us being stuck in mediocrity) is that our FO led by greats like Jerry jones, Stephen jones and Jason Garrett have no clue how to do this effectively

 

[black label]

The usual disclaimer: PFF rankings aren't the definitive word in everything but they are interesting.

Alan Ball 16th
Orlando Scandrick 24th
Terence Newman 28th
Brandon Carr 44th
Mo Claiborne 97th

:mindblown:

only the cowboys i tell ya...only the cowboys.

your only as good as your defensive line, throw these right out the window

 

[Yakuza Rich]

My problem with PFF is that they don't use All-22 when reviewing the games. When I graded games on regular TV telecast the defensive backfield is where I ended spending the most time because it is difficult to decipher from the telecast view.

Claiborne has been putrid. We should try and trade him in the offseason. He brings no value to us being hurt all of the time, he isn't a willing tackler and is lost in zone coverage.

I like Carr, we just overpaid for him. We have a major tendency to do that....we love 'cover corners' that can't tackle. Jerry still thinks everybody is the next Deion Sanders and doesn't comprehend how offense has changed in the NFL. If there's a good thing about Kiffin (who I still like), his defensive philosophy is more towards good tackling corners which is what is needed in zone schemes. So maybe we get out of the mentality of looking for Claiborne types and instead look for Scandrick types.

My only issue with Scandrick is he gets a bit impulsive on defense and bites on play fakes and pump fakes. He could be much better at crossing patterns as well, but I like the way he's playing.

Webb has a long ways to go. I see some potential, but I question if he can transition to the pro game.





YR

 

[Future]

Lets see what those numbers look like if Alan Ball is asked to cover Calvin with nothing but two UDFA safeties over top.

Also, other than Denver and SD, they have not played against one single good passing offense. Maybe the Colts.