They say QB is the most important position. BUT

[Diehardblues]

Teams have won without great QB's but had exceptional defenses. The great QB's have won what? Brady but with a standout defense. Brees? 1 Rodgers 1 However, Flacco and Manning have 2 because of their defenses.

However, with today's rules, a team has to have great QB play. Foles isn't a great QB but he was when it was needed.

What happens is that teams without that great QB get the game put on him by the DC's and the great QB's like P. Manning and Brees have to have a D step up for them. The great QB's play at a more consistent level but it is there opportunistic defenses, see Brees and both Mannings, that actually get them rings.

I laugh when they call Manning the best ever because he saved his worst for the playoffs and the best ever doesn't do that.

I think when they say best ever.. they mean his mechanics, arm, etc.

Too often fans associate best with winning.

 

[Doomsday101]

If they could Aaron Rodgers would have won a few more Superbowls by now.

You bet, A great QB gives you a great chance but his success still depends on those around him. No protection he is screwed, WR not making the catch can kill the drives. But because he handles the ball every snap poor play on his behalf can get you beat quickly

 

[HungryLion]

I think we’re pretty close in our view!

An Elite QB can carry a lesser team to the brink of a championship but needs at least an above average defense to win it.

Limiting an Elite QB impact to only winning championship doesn’t tell the whole story. Like so many always want to use Elway as an example which critics want to only speak of the two SB he won with Davis not the 3 he didn’t with a lesser team and all of the playoffs they were always in contention. That was Elways greatness not the 2 he won.

Look at Rodgers. Packers are reduced to a shell of their team without him. He makes them a contender. Do they win it very often . No but always a threat with him.

Yes I am spot on with this opinion.

 

[CPanther95]

You still need some luck, or at least good fortune.

The difference is with a great QB/defense, you're always in the hunt and when you are unusually healthy, or catch a break, it can push you over the top to get a Lombardi.

If not, when everything goes your way you get a division title and playoff appearance.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Aikman?

I'm talking about our last one.

 

[Jake]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

Case Keenum was not "below average" in 2017. He was 7th in passer rating, ahead of guys named Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Wilson, Carr, and Rodgers.

Bortles was 20th.

 

[xwalker]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

Look back a Super Bowls over the past 40 years. I think it's about 9 of 10 QBs that were top 10 types. The Foles, Brad John, Trent Dilfer types are outliers.

You can't really completely count Foles because their other QB was a big part of getting them to the playoffs.

Teams could waste seasons trying the approach of having an elite roster and just cycling through good-enough QBs every 5 years.

 

[wrongway]

What

I wouldn’t say that.

I guess you’d also say then that championship and Super Bowl appearances are meaningless as well if you don’t win them?

What meaning is gained from losing the super bowl. Yes i am consistent in that. No warm and fuzzy feeling from losing the Superbowl.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

Foles averaged a 117 QB rating for the playoffs. Getting hot at the right time works too but Qb play is still key.

 

[gmoney112]

Foles averaged a 117 QB rating for the playoffs. Getting hot at the right time works too but Qb play is still key.

Foles was anything but average in that playoff run. He was outstanding.

 

[millennial_legend]

Look back a Super Bowls over the past 40 years. I think it's about 9 of 10 QBs that were top 10 types. The Foles, Brad John, Trent Dilfer types are outliers.

You can't really completely count Foles because their other QB was a big part of getting them to the playoffs.

Teams could waste seasons trying the approach of having an elite roster and just cycling through good-enough QBs every 5 years.

Flacco
Eli x2

Anyone, including QBs worse than Dak, can get hot during the playoffs if they have the right O-line and defense.

And let's not pretend that Peyton wasn't on his last legs in 2015.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Flacco
Eli x2

Anyone, including QBs worse than Dak, can get hot during the playoffs if they have the right O-line and defense.

And let's not pretend that Peyton wasn't on his last legs in 2015.

No one is saying average QBs cannot win; it remains a team game. The bottomline is that no other single position contributes to winning any game more than QB.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I’d say after QB, HC and coaching staff are the clear #2 most important place to have great people at. I think in today’s league where it’s nearly impossible to stock and keep talent at a lot of positions, NE has proven you can win a lot with nothing but a great QB and HC (and a bit of cheating here and there and playing in the worst division in football year in and year out).
Philly further solidified my belief I this premise last season (as did the Rams with their monster turn around on only a coaching change) by winning the SB after losing their four best players including their starting QB.
(Insert shot at JG here)

I'd actually put coaching above all else, even QB.

 

[ghst187]

I'd actually put coaching above all else, even QB.

Probably right

 

[CowboyRoy]

Give me a franchise QB and I'll take my chances.

We had one for 11 years in Romo.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

You can win it all with a great team and a good quarterback or with a great quarterback and a very good team. It's still best to have a great team with a great QB.

 

[Idgit]

It's passing efficiency differential. Have a good QB (protect him), play good defense against the opposing QB, you have a shot to win every game where you do that.

On the QB side, you either have your guy, or you don't. The moving parts are on the other side of the field. We're not moving away from Dak, and we've got the protection. The obvious thing to do is to invest in the defense and give Dak a cushion to work with so he doesn't end up playing his entire career without a net like Tony did.

 

[northerncowboynation]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

What but? Great defenses may win a single SB (see Bears, and Tampa) but dynasties are created by great offenses and QB's (see Cowboys of the 90's, 49'ers of the 90's and Patriots of the last decade, Packers of the last 20 years). Without a great QB it could be one but who wants one. As Cowboy fans we don't because we're a cut above the average fan. Give me a top 5 offense and a top 15 defense and watch me go

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I rank it

HC
QB
RDE
LT

Nick Foles won a sb from great coaching he’s not a great player

 

[ShiningStar]

They say QB is the most important position. BUT


Winning cures everything and changes everyones opinion. end of story.