They say QB is the most important position. BUT

[HungryLion]

No, but they’re getting to Super Bowls and championship games more regularly.

Can’t lose it if you don’t get there.

Yes, when they have better defenses are more likely to win it all but are always contenders and in it regardless.

Agreed.

I suppose my hypothesis is, regardless of elite QB or not. You need at least a very good defense, if not top 5. To win a Super Bowl. And if they’re not “top 5” they have to be a defense that forces a ton of turnovers. Like the saints defense did when they won the title.

 

[HungryLion]

More specifically, the idea of an elite QB who “carries a poor team on their back” to a championship is a myth. It just doesn’t happen. It has always and will always take a team to win it all.

The surrounding team just doesn’t have to be quite as good, when the QB is elite.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

I think having a good defense is key. without a defense and just a great offense, you will have success in regular season and fail in the playoffs because most of the teams in the playoffs will have good offenses and the ones with good defenses will move on....

but I think last year was rare year though. all the teams had good defenses except maybe new England which was over rated on defense.

 

[CouchCoach]

Teams have won without great QB's but had exceptional defenses. The great QB's have won what? Brady but with a standout defense. Brees? 1 Rodgers 1 However, Flacco and Manning have 2 because of their defenses.

However, with today's rules, a team has to have great QB play. Foles isn't a great QB but he was when it was needed.

What happens is that teams without that great QB get the game put on him by the DC's and the great QB's like P. Manning and Brees have to have a D step up for them. The great QB's play at a more consistent level but it is there opportunistic defenses, see Brees and both Mannings, that actually get them rings.

I laugh when they call Manning the best ever because he saved his worst for the playoffs and the best ever doesn't do that.

 

[T-RO]

3 of the 4 finalists from this past year, including the Super Bowl winner, made it despite average (Foles) to well below average (Keenum, Bortles) league QBs because they had either a great defense (Vikings, Jags) or a very good overall team (Eagles) around them.

Build a great team with what we have, pay our defense, pay our offensive line... we may not have to pay Dak more than average 4th round second contract value, unless he earns it. I'm not going to give an average QB Kirk Cousins money just because it's the current market value. I'm only paying a top 10 QB that kind of money, if not I'm building around the rest and drafting replacements every 5 years.

I tend to agree that Dak must be definitely good or I’m not giving him a big long term contract.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

No way would I give Dak a big long term contract. A player like Dak needs an elite supporting cast to overcome his lack of talent. If you pay him top money, then you can't pay the supporting cast and then Dak becomes what we saw last year, a QB that just can't function. If he wants top QB money, I let him walk. Any number of 3-5 round QB can provide the same talent that he does on the field.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

So to prove the point that the quarterback is not the most important position, we stack him up against an 11 man unit?

I'm confused

 

[AdamJT13]

In almost every game, you have to pass better than your opponent to win. That can be because of your offense, your defense or both.

And a quarterback doesn't have to BE "elite" to have one or two good to great games in the playoffs, he just has to play well in those games.

 

[Diehardblues]

More specifically, the idea of an elite QB who “carries a poor team on their back” to a championship is a myth. It just doesn’t happen. It has always and will always take a team to win it all.

The surrounding team just doesn’t have to be quite as good, when the QB is elite.

I think we’re pretty close in our view!

An Elite QB can carry a lesser team to the brink of a championship but needs at least an above average defense to win it.

Limiting an Elite QB impact to only winning championship doesn’t tell the whole story. Like so many always want to use Elway as an example which critics want to only speak of the two SB he won with Davis not the 3 he didn’t with a lesser team and all of the playoffs they were always in contention. That was Elways greatness not the 2 he won.

Look at Rodgers. Packers are reduced to a shell of their team without him. He makes them a contender. Do they win it very often . No but always a threat with him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Basically if you want to be a serious contender regardless of the supporting cast all you need is an Elite QB.

That won’t guarantee championships but it definitely will place you closer to the brink of a championship needing less of a supporting cast to seriously contend.

It’s why teams take such risk and high priority to draft one. And pay them such large salaries. Teams get it more than the fans.

 

[mrmojo]

I think we’re pretty close in our view!

An Elite QB can carry a lesser team to the brink of a championship but needs at least an above average defense to win it.

Limiting an Elite QB impact to only winning championship doesn’t tell the whole story. Like so many always want to use Elway as an example which critics want to only speak of the two SB he won with Davis not the 3 he didn’t with a lesser team and all of the playoffs they were always in contention. That was Elways greatness not the 2 he won.

Look at Rodgers. Packers are reduced to a shell of their team without him. He makes them a contender. Do they win it very often . No but always a threat with him.

Lesser teams? Elways roster in the 80s was pretty darn good, good enough to be favorite in both the SBs against the Giants and Commanders. NFC East and Niners were just too good back then. I always hated that argument that he didn't have a team around him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Lesser teams? Elways roster in the 80s was pretty darn good, good enough to be favorite in both the SBs against the Giants and Commanders. NFC East and Niners were just too good back then. I always hated that argument that he didn't have a team around him.

Lesser than he had when he won it was the point. But I’d agree there is always contributing factors. And those were still some good Bronco teams.

The bigger point is just making it to that level and staying there defines their greatness more than winning it.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Give me a franchise QB and I'll take my chances.

Well we had one and it didn't work.

 

[mrmojo]

Well we had one and it didn't work.

Aikman?

 

[Diehardblues]

Well we had one and it didn't work.

He kept a horribly built team most years competitive contenders.

Both years he had a better team, 2007 and 2014, we were basically a drive away from a championship appearance.

 

[wrongway]

22-11 is empty without playoff victories.

Playoff victory's are empty without Superbowl wins as well.

 

[PUSHfold]

We’ll see how long the slobbering Dak fans hang without playoff appearances and deeper runs.

At least Romo elevated horrid teams not needing as much support to contend but he wasn’t great enough without a better defense either.

In one post you say 22-10 is nothing without playoff victories talking about Dak and proceed to slobber on Romos jock who won how many playoff games his entire career? Romo's entire career meant nothing without playoff success, he'll always be one of the most underrated QBs of all time despite playing on the most televised team. Romo early in his career had pretty good teams around him it wasn't until he was an established veteran he was able to put a team on his back. How you morons can expect a 2nd year 4th round QB to put an entire team on his back is beyond ridiculous. You guys should be more grateful especially if we somehow found a decent QB in the 4th round we can win with. Are you that bitter Dak replaced Romo that you're unable to see how lucky we might be to have him on our team?

 

[Diehardblues]

Playoff victory's are empty without Superbowl wins as well.

I wouldn’t say that.

I guess you’d also say then that championship and Super Bowl appearances are meaningless as well if you don’t win them?

 

[Diehardblues]

In one post you say 22-10 is nothing without playoff victories talking about Dak and proceed to slobber on Romos jock who won how many playoff games his entire career? Romo's entire career meant nothing without playoff success, he'll always be one of the most underrated QBs of all time despite playing on the most televised team. Romo early in his career had pretty good teams around him it wasn't until he was an established veteran he was able to put a team on his back. How you morons can expect a 2nd year 4th round QB to put an entire team on his back is beyond ridiculous. You guys should be more grateful especially if we somehow found a decent QB in the 4th round we can win with. Are you that bitter Dak replaced Romo that you're unable to see how lucky we might be to have him on our team?

I said Romo wasn’t great enough either. But he didn’t need as much support as Dak does.

My bigger point is if Dak isn’t better than Romo he’s going to need much more help. And if that’s the case why are we so sold on Dak?

I wasn’t a huge Romo fan either. I thought with the teams we had needed a more elite QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we had Jags, Eagles or Vikes Defense Dak might could be enough. But we don’t.

Our front office and coaching staff is also a concern and why I believe we need a more Elite QB to elevate the team.

And why I’ve said . If Romo wasn’t enough Dak doesn’t look like it either.Thats not a slam on Dak or Romo as much as it is our organization and team.