Things that are bothering me

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I usually post optimistic posts even go so far as to find the optimistic view of our Defensive End situation but right now there are several things that are just making me mad.

1. Romo to be released and the argument that you have to release him so that he has his choice of where to go etc. etc.

I hate this argument and I think it is idiotic to let him go for nothing but if I had to guess what the end result will be that is what I guess. Jerry just let's him go for nothing. Even a blind man can see how hard it is to find a starting caliber QB that gives you a chance to win in this league.. We went through it for 10 years. Other teams even longer. I know about the injuries and the age but other teams will be able to avoid the deam money we will have to take for Romo and he has expressed a willingness to work with whatever team he go's to and "massage" his contract. YOU DON"T GIVE HIM AWAY FOR NOTHING AND I DON"T CARE ABOUT HIS FEELINGS! This is a business.

2. Salary Cap and how we are the masters at beating it and signing F.A's is bad business etc. etc.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! We as fans come off sounding like kidnap victims suffering from stockholm syndrome when we repeat this idiotic trope. In this league there are two ways to acquire talent. One is through the draft and the other is through free agency. You must use both in order to maximise your talent. We have a player that is taking up 15% of our cap and hasn't played in 2 years. We have a DT being paid like he is a top 5 DT when he actually is a mid level player. A WR being paid like he is among the best when his statistics say otherwise. A TE being paid well beyond his level of contribution. When it comes to negotiating contracts there are two representatives of the player sitting on opposite sides of the negotiating table. The players agent and the owner. The owner needs to negotiate harder and not just make every decent player with a new contract among the highest paid players in the league. Things are improving and the team seems to have discovered that O-linemen make the best players to use to restructure contracts and beat the cap but as of right now we have too much dead money and too many players being overpaid.

3. Low cost F.A.'s are the way to go and then draft improvements.

I would rather see us sign 1 exceptional player in FA than bring in 4 or 5 middling players. There is little difference between a Thornton and a guy you can sign to a league minimum contract following final cuts but we are paying him like he is a "B" player and we do this over and over and wonder why we have holes that are never filled. Add 1 exceptional player in FA per year and 2 in the draft and before you know it you have a team of exceptional players instead of a few superstars and a majority of middling players.

4. It has come out that we are looking at DE's and WR with our premium picks. It is "Groundhog day" all over again. I take this to mean in the first 2 rounds these are the positions most likely to be addressed. This likely means a Charles Harris and a De De Westbrook. I would be looking at SS and CB in the first two rounds. Give me Sidney Jones and Marcus Williams or Jabrill Peppers and Fabian Moreau. I have forever wanted a SS and this is the year to do it but it has to be done in the first two rounds. I also think the WR position is so deep that we can have a really good one in the 3rd round. WR2 is the 5th option on our team anyway. At DE we need a situational pass rusher. He doesn't have to be an every down DE. Charles Harris would just fit right in with the rest of the rotation. Another DLaw. We can add a rotational piece at DE in the 4th or later.

5. It sounds like we are looking to re-sign Carr. I agree losing two CB's is too much to endure and I know Claiborne misses time due to injury but I am sick and tired of watching Carr play defense as if the goal is to let the receiver catch the ball but make sure he doesn't run by you. He is only getting older and he is already a C+ corner. GIve me Claiborne for half the year playing at a higher level and we can't assume he will be injured. Past experience says it is a good bet but the same could have been said about Lee.


These are a few of the things bothering me.
 

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what's the TLDR?

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I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. I just don't see much of it as written in stone.

At 28, the team will go BPA and if that is a Safety or corner, they'll go that way and not reach for DE or WR. The team has proven that's what they'll do.

As for Romo... they could trade him or release him. It isn't written in stone that he's going to be released just because a writer or two thinks so.

As for free agency, I don't think they'll go quality over quantity like you want. They haven't been doing so lately and I just don't see much out there that will make them change that this season. I too would like to see a young, very good free agent like AJ Bouye brought in but we don't always get what we want.

Bottom line for me is that the team has been doing it the right way for a while now and is probably the best drafting team in the league since 2010. I'll let them continue and take the things I agree with and the things I don't and just see what we can do.
 

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While it would be nice to get a draft pick for trading Romo, don't we have a significantly larger cap savings if we make him a post June 1st cut? And maybe JJ is seeing the cap space as more important than a 3rd or 4th round pick (I don't think we would see a 1st or 2nd). In addition, by making him a post June 1st cut now, he would have more cap space to make a slightly bigger splash in free agency (which would be occurring over the next several days, and we cannot afford to "wait it out" with trade offers). Maybe this is why Shefter is saying Romo is more likely to get cut. Otherwise right now we have ~3mill in cap space.
 

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agree will all except Carr. You cant have enough cb's. He may not be a shutdown cb but is better than average and doesnt miss many games.

really agree with #2 (cap). I'm starting to think this team cant grasp how to use the cap. No other team is close to being in cap trouble as much as we are. 1-2 season I can understand but this is an annual problem and restructuring which should be an exception has become a common tool. This creates a problem where it becomes tough to cut a player because of their dead cap money.
 

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agree will all except Carr. You cant have enough cb's. He may not be a shutdown cb but is better than average and doesnt miss many games.

really agree with #2 (cap). I'm starting to think this team cant grasp how to use the cap. No other team is close to being in cap trouble as much as we are. 1-2 season I can understand but this is an annual problem and restructuring which should be an exception has become a common tool. This creates a problem where it becomes tough to cut a player because of their dead cap money.

They are the worst cap manager in the NFL. EVERY year we cant afford to do anything other than roll overpaid contracts into the future in order to just squeak by. And you have to love the cats that keep telling us all that the salary cap is just an illusion. Everyone has monster cap room and everyone can afford to go spend wildly whenever they want. LOL
 

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I agree it's stupid to think we have to release Romo. He's a tradable commodity and a fan draw at the hardest position in sports to fill. We need to get something for him.

Re: the cap, what we're doing now is a proven way to build a franchise. It's not necessary the only way to build one, but it's the way we're clearly going about it. That said, it hasn't stopped us from signing guys like Melton and Hardy in recent years. It's not that we won't spend the money if the right player or the right deal is there. It's just not going to happen in the first 3-4 days of the open market. We're not going to overpay. And if we do, like with Dez, it'll be for our own players. Leaving room for exceptions, that's the safest way to place your bets. You bet on the guys you've already had in your locker room and in your system.

DB is every bit the need DL and WR is. It's a bigger need than WR, actually. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to believe what 'comes out' about any team this time of year. It's silly season. Teams and players, both, are positioning for the market.

Give me Carr over Claiborne and Church over Wilcox, any day. And then draft me some dynamic players. I want the gaps filled with competent starters and for that to be the bar a rookie has to eclipse to get snaps. I don't want to be counting on a rookie CB for a playoff run in Nov/Dec because of yet another soft tissue injury, and I don't want to see Wilcox reverting back to bad angles and being confused in the backfield. Heath can take those snaps and play just as well as Wilcox did.
 

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I usually post optimistic posts even go so far as to find the optimistic view of our Defensive End situation but right now there are several things that are just making me mad.

1. Romo to be released and the argument that you have to release him so that he has his choice of where to go etc. etc.

I hate this argument and I think it is idiotic to let him go for nothing but if I had to guess what the end result will be that is what I guess. Jerry just let's him go for nothing. Even a blind man can see how hard it is to find a starting caliber QB that gives you a chance to win in this league.. We went through it for 10 years. Other teams even longer. I know about the injuries and the age but other teams will be able to avoid the deam money we will have to take for Romo and he has expressed a willingness to work with whatever team he go's to and "massage" his contract. YOU DON"T GIVE HIM AWAY FOR NOTHING AND I DON"T CARE ABOUT HIS FEELINGS! This is a business.

2. Salary Cap and how we are the masters at beating it and signing F.A's is bad business etc. etc.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! We as fans come off sounding like kidnap victims suffering from stockholm syndrome when we repeat this idiotic trope. In this league there are two ways to acquire talent. One is through the draft and the other is through free agency. You must use both in order to maximise your talent. We have a player that is taking up 15% of our cap and hasn't played in 2 years. We have a DT being paid like he is a top 5 DT when he actually is a mid level player. A WR being paid like he is among the best when his statistics say otherwise. A TE being paid well beyond his level of contribution. When it comes to negotiating contracts there are two representatives of the player sitting on opposite sides of the negotiating table. The players agent and the owner. The owner needs to negotiate harder and not just make every decent player with a new contract among the highest paid players in the league. Things are improving and the team seems to have discovered that O-linemen make the best players to use to restructure contracts and beat the cap but as of right now we have too much dead money and too many players being overpaid.

3. Low cost F.A.'s are the way to go and then draft improvements.

I would rather see us sign 1 exceptional player in FA than bring in 4 or 5 middling players. There is little difference between a Thornton and a guy you can sign to a league minimum contract following final cuts but we are paying him like he is a "B" player and we do this over and over and wonder why we have holes that are never filled. Add 1 exceptional player in FA per year and 2 in the draft and before you know it you have a team of exceptional players instead of a few superstars and a majority of middling players.

4. It has come out that we are looking at DE's and WR with our premium picks. It is "Groundhog day" all over again. I take this to mean in the first 2 rounds these are the positions most likely to be addressed. This likely means a Charles Harris and a De De Westbrook. I would be looking at SS and CB in the first two rounds. Give me Sidney Jones and Marcus Williams or Jabrill Peppers and Fabian Moreau. I have forever wanted a SS and this is the year to do it but it has to be done in the first two rounds. I also think the WR position is so deep that we can have a really good one in the 3rd round. WR2 is the 5th option on our team anyway. At DE we need a situational pass rusher. He doesn't have to be an every down DE. Charles Harris would just fit right in with the rest of the rotation. Another DLaw. We can add a rotational piece at DE in the 4th or later.

5. It sounds like we are looking to re-sign Carr. I agree losing two CB's is too much to endure and I know Claiborne misses time due to injury but I am sick and tired of watching Carr play defense as if the goal is to let the receiver catch the ball but make sure he doesn't run by you. He is only getting older and he is already a C+ corner. GIve me Claiborne for half the year playing at a higher level and we can't assume he will be injured. Past experience says it is a good bet but the same could have been said about Lee.


These are a few of the things bothering me.
My Brother from another Mother

you nailed all my pet peeves
giving Romo away is the dumbest thing we can do and we seem to be running towards that result

'there are no good FAs' is def Stockholm Syndrome

just like at the bar 3- 4s don't equal a 10

only keep difference makers or young guys....stop paying for mediocre....'not everyone can be a probowler' why not???? so lets not try???
 

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I agree it's stupid to think we have to release Romo. He's a tradable commodity and a fan draw at the hardest position in sports to fill. We need to get something for him.

Re: the cap, what we're doing now is a proven way to build a franchise. It's not necessary the only way to build one, but it's the way we're clearly going about it. That said, it hasn't stopped us from signing guys like Melton and Hardy in recent years. It's not that we won't spend the money if the right player or the right deal is there. It's just not going to happen in the first 3-4 days of the open market. We're not going to overpay. And if we do, like with Dez, it'll be for our own players. Leaving room for exceptions, that's the safest way to place your bets. You bet on the guys you've already had in your locker room and in your system.

DB is every bit the need DL and WR is. It's a bigger need than WR, actually. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to believe what 'comes out' about any team this time of year. It's silly season. Teams and players, both, are positioning for the market.

Give me Carr over Claiborne and Church over Wilcox, any day. And then draft me some dynamic players. I want the gaps filled with competent starters and for that to be the bar a rookie has to eclipse to get snaps. I don't want to be counting on a rookie CB for a playoff run in Nov/Dec because of yet another soft tissue injury, and I don't want to see Wilcox reverting back to bad angles and being confused in the backfield. Heath can take those snaps and play just as well as Wilcox did.

Regarding getting nothing for ROMO.

This is how ridiculous it has gotten. Denver is lining up trades for Simien and Houston for Savage if they sign Romo.

So we get nothing for Romo but whichever team gets him can trade their scrub for something.

All we get out of it is the largest cap hit in the NFL.
 

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My Brother from another Mother

you nailed all my pet peeves
giving Romo away is the dumbest thing we can do and we seem to be running towards that result

'there are no good FAs' is def Stockholm Syndrome

just like at the bar 3- 4s don't equal a 10

only keep difference makers or young guys....stop paying for mediocre....'not everyone can be a probowler' why not???? so lets not try???

I forgot to mention using Pick 34 last year on Drop Foot.

Infuriating. Now there is talk of using pick 28 to draft Reddick. You can't just throw away pick 34.
 

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Regarding getting nothing for ROMO.

This is how ridiculous it has gotten. Denver is lining up trades for Simien and Houston for Savage if they sign Romo.

So we get nothing for Romo but whichever team gets him can trade their scrub for something.

All we get out of it is the largest cap hit in the NFL.

I don't buy any of it. Romo's too valuable, even to teams concerned about the injury risk. He's worth a flyer. If they're trying to paint DEN as the front-runner, that's fine. There have to be two buyers for him for a trade to work, and the DEN stuff just smokes out any other interested parties.

I wouldn't put it past Jerry to release Tony for nothing to get him in the right situation, but if he does, he's not going to do it until right before training camp. That gives Tony plenty of time to come up to speed with a new system, but forces teams to get through FA and the draft without their QB position fixed if they're unwilling to cough up a pick.

I forgot to mention using Pick 34 last year on Drop Foot.

Infuriating. Now there is talk of using pick 28 to draft Reddick. You can't just throw away pick 34.

The #4 and the #34 last year were both dumb tactical moves. #4 definitely turned out great, but passing on defense there to take a RB knowing we were losing 3/4ths of our secondary the next offseason was a gamble. Taking a player who would not contribute at the top of the 2nd as bad off as we were in terms of defensive talent was just dumb. I don't care how it turns out, it was an unnecessary risk.
 

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Ill tell you what, I would stomach cutting Romo if it meant we could then afford to somehow go out and sign a 10 sack DL in FA. Other then that, yah, its just plain stupid to cut him for nothing.
I was just summarizing the OP.
 
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