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Geezzz! [pulling my hair out] Everybody is aware Murray had a special year last year, but his production can and will be replaced. As good as Murray was, he isn't close to being a special player (I.e. AP) that we should of paid and placed our team back in cap hell for one older player for the next five years. People are knocking the Cowboys for not resigning him and placing us back in cap hell. I say, If Murray wanted too he could of lowered his asking price. It was reported the Cowboys were willing to pay him a healthy $6mil/ a year. He would have became a legend running behind are OL. The endorsements he could have received would have easily compensated for the difference. Oh NO.. yet he chooses to chase the money(which he said wasn't important...huh?) and sign with our hated arch rivals! Do I blame him for chasing the money? NO, that's his prerogative. Do I blame him for choosing the *** Eagles? Hell Yeah! Bye Felicia! I Digress.

Murray, who's been injured every year he's been in the NFL, had no business carrying the ball 392 times. Reports were that he didn't want to come off the field and that inevitably means our back ups didn't get much of a chance to shine. Go figure, Murray is in a contract year and doesn't want to come off the field during a remarkable season. He knew he was about to get paid and he was right. Before last season, If I told you "the Eagles would trade a healthy McCoy only to pay Murray more".. do you think anyone would believe me?

Look. Even the fans that say they don't want AP will be elated to have him. The fact is the Vikings don't want to trade him and I don't want the Cowboys to give up ANYTHING to get him. Yes, he's a special RB, but he's also on the downside of his career and hasn't played in a year and a half. If he was cut by the Vikings and signed a cap friendly deal.. then Hell Yeah!... But lets get this clear...IT AINT HAPPENING. (not w/o a steep price)

Think Arkansas. Of course, Jerry's alumni.. think about the 2007 Arkansas RB committee that ran all over opponents. McFadden had 325 carries- 1830yds- 5.6pc- 16Td. Felix Jones had 133- 1162- 8.7- 11. That's a two headed monster that gained almost 3,000 yards. Well I'll admit, I don't expect that kinda production, but it's not far fetched to think we could have a dynamic duo or even trio running behind the world's best OL. The fact is McFadden never had even a good OL, never had a great QB/WR to keep attention off him, and went through several offensive coordinators..in short.. he was on a sorry ***team. Not too hard to figure out why he couldn't stay healthy when the opponent is targeting him the whole game. Second, Joseph Randle prove he could be a lead back at OSU, so why are so may fans down on him? Is it bc he stole underwear.. really? Every time Randle had a chance to carry the rock he shined as evident by his 6.7ypc & 3 TDs in very limited play. With the exception of a couple of RB's in the draft, I didn't see a rookie better than what Randle already is. The running game will be more than capable to replace Murray's production.

Fact is our Defense is what held Dallas back last year. That old adage "defense wins Championships" holds true. If we would have caved in and paid Murray what the Philthy eagles did.. we would be cap strapped, wouldn't have signed valuable defensive players, and the draft would have more than likely played out differently due to the Boys reaching to fill defensive spots with unproven rookies.

I believe by the end of the year.. Our much improved(and aggressive) defense will have carried us to another Championship, the RB conversation will be forgotten, Romo will finally be regarded as Elite, and the Jones's will again be rewarded GM of the year. Thanks for reading
 

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I'm ready to see what McFadden does with this golden opportunity I also want to see us bring in CJ2K to see if he can salvage himself at all.
 

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I can see some of that being true. The NFL is a risky business. The Cowboys made an assessment that Murray was not worth a substantial investment due to a variety of factors. Namely his age, previous usage and injury history. The team is betting that improved defense, improvement on the OL and more variety in their running approach can more than offset Murray's lost production. Or they're counting on an upgrade becoming available at a reduced rate and maintaining their ability to capitalize.

Fans here have shifted from cliff jumping to euphoria at every development. No chance at Hardy, no shot at McClain, 50 pages about why Collins would be an idiot to sign here. None of those takes have any bearing on reality. Instead they're a manifestation of the outlook held by realists. The concern at RB is simply their last vestige to hang on to. No matter that their previous concerns have been addressed at a level high above the most optimistic expectations. They're going to continue to harp on it until a change occurs or the Cowboys plan bears fruit. Hang on to your butts.
 

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Murray was the best thing to happen to this offense. He took pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

Paying Murray would not have put us in cap hell. His cap hit this year is 5m.

Carr's cap hit is 12.7m and Free's cap hit is 6.9m. Murray contributed 10x more than either of those guys.

It is a gigantic risk counting on the RBs we have on the roster.
 

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Murray wouldn't have put us in cap hell....
He would be our lead back the next 3 seasons when he was 27,28,29 years old.
Remember we need to pay someone to replace him. In fact we will most likely be holding an additional roster spot now because we don't have him. So that 4th RB will be at the expense of another player. So you need to take the salary of the 2 backs that we will have to pay to hopefully replace him. Hopefully.

Also having him wouldn't have changed our draft at all. We actually have the cap space for Murray and we could have still signed Hardy. Dez isn't even done yet so that will reduce his cap hit also.
 

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Murray was the best thing to happen to this offense. He took pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

Paying Murray would not have put us in cap hell. His cap hit this year is 5m.

Carr's cap hit is 12.7m and Free's cap hit is 6.9m. Murray contributed 10x more than either of those guys.

It is a gigantic risk counting on the RBs we have on the roster.
No it's not.
 

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Murray was the best thing to happen to this offense. He took pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

Paying Murray would not have put us in cap hell. His cap hit this year is 5m.

Carr's cap hit is 12.7m and Free's cap hit is 6.9m. Murray contributed 10x more than either of those guys.

It is a gigantic risk counting on the RBs we have on the roster.

You know enough about the cap to know that citing only the first year cap hit is omitting half the story.
 

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It is the only story that matters. Worrying about the future cap is pointless. Way too many moving parts.

In addition the cap increases every year.
We pay Sean Lee more than we would have payed Murray and my money would be on Murray having a better chance to earn his keep. (I love Sean Lee btw...)
The front office will never admit it but I believe they are kicking themselves for letting Murray go.
Not much of a point in getting upset either way over Murray at this point. We just need to look towards the future.

Let's go McFadden and Randle....one of you guys will have a nice season...I'm hoping for both.
 

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In addition the cap increases every year.
We pay Sean Lee more than we would have payed Murray and my money would be on Murray having a better chance to earn his keep. (I love Sean Lee btw...)
The front office will never admit it but I believe they are kicking themselves for letting Murray go.
Not much of a point in getting upset either way over Murray at this point. We just need to look towards the future.

Let's go McFadden and Randle....one of you guys will have a nice season...I'm hoping for both.

I agree that it is water under the bridge. We just need to be honest. Having Murray makes us a much better team.
 

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Murray was the best thing to happen to this offense. He took pressure off of Romo and the Defense.

Paying Murray would not have put us in cap hell. His cap hit this year is 5m.

Carr's cap hit is 12.7m and Free's cap hit is 6.9m. Murray contributed 10x more than either of those guys.

It is a gigantic risk counting on the RBs we have on the roster.

We already had Murray the previous 3 seasons before last year. He didn't just happen last year.
What changed was not Murray but the Offensive Line.

he will be missed though
 

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We already had Murray the previous 3 seasons before last year. He didn't just happen last year.
What changed was not Murray but the Offensive Line.

he will be missed though

Murray produced at a high level before this OL.

He had 253 yards in his first start.

He started 37 of the last 39 games Dallas has played. The injury prone label is a myth.
 

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We already had Murray the previous 3 seasons before last year. He didn't just happen last year.
What changed was not Murray but the Offensive Line.

he will be missed though

This would be more true if Murray wasn't productive the previous years. This year was the first year Dallas was committed to running the ball. Also his first year he could stay healthy. Murray has been productive every year he has been in the league. He didn't just become productive last season.
 

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Murray produced at a high level before this OL.

He had 253 yards in his first start.

He started 37 of the last 39 games Dallas has played. The injury prone label is a myth.

I didn't say anything about injuries or him not producing in the past.
You said he was the best thing to happen to the offense, and I said the main upgrade was and difference was not Murray (who was already here) but the oline improvement.

If you don't agree, that's fine. That's just how I see it.

If you ask me who we could least afford to remove from the offense, I'd say
Romo
Oline as a whole
Dez
Murray

in that order
 

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This would be more true if Murray wasn't productive the previous years. This year was the first year Dallas was committed to running the ball. Also his first year he could stay healthy. Murray has been productive every year he has been in the league. He didn't just become productive last season.

where did I say he did? I almost said the opposite.
"He didn't just happen last year"
"What changed was not Murray..."

don't see how that's saying Murray never produced before or last year was his first to produce.
 

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where did I say he did? I almost said the opposite.
"He didn't just happen last year"
"What changed was not Murray..."

don't see how that's saying Murray never produced before or last year was his first to produce.

Sorry. I obviously misread your post or I assumed a few things...:)
 
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