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[ElGatoGrande]

I think Randle and Williams will do very well though I worry that Williams may be our only short yardage guy,,, wouldn't mind if the cowboys added a bruiser into the RBBC. McFadden is a wilcard that might be fantastic, might be average,,, don't mind that we're taking a flier on him!

 

[mattjames2010]

Anybody can replace Murray.

Yes, any scrub RB can have nearly 2,000 yards rushing and nearly 500 yards receiving in a single season. That's so easily done in this league, it's been so easily done throughout the history of the NFL.

You can replace a player, doesn't mean they'll equal the production.

 

[mattjames2010]

I think Randle and Williams will do very well though I worry that Williams may be our only short yardage guy,,, wouldn't mind if the cowboys added a bruiser into the RBBC. McFadden is a wilcard that might be fantastic, might be average,,, don't mind that we're taking a flier on him!

McFadden is the wildcard out of that group?

 

[jobberone]

I think Randle and Williams will do very well though I worry that Williams may be our only short yardage guy,,, wouldn't mind if the cowboys added a bruiser into the RBBC. McFadden is a wilcard that might be fantastic, might be average,,, don't mind that we're taking a flier on him!

Your image made me chuckle.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

McFadden is the wildcard out of that group?

Yup, don't know what the old guy has left in the tank and I've never really watched him play. I've seen Randle behind this OL and I watched Williams in Arizona. Sure, neither one of them has carried the load as a featured back like McFadden, but we're not asking them to do that.

 

[Ashwynn]

1-Overrated
2-Can't even out run a security guard
3-Has 58 career carries 3 years ago

1) Who, Mcfadden overrated? hes not being overrated. Everyones wanting AP? If you have an overrated back you dont want to trade for another overrated back. I know your not talking Randle or Williams or Day. Aint none of them even rated, let alone overrated.
2) There are no security guards on the field during a game, non issue. I dont even know what your talking about here anyways. I assume the Randle shoplifting incident, unless Mcfadden had reason to run from a security guard at some point, which I am not aware of.
3) Who are we talking about here. I know its not McFadden, he has plenty of career carries. Randle? Hes been second fiddle to Murray, course he has not had a lot of carries, when you have a work horse, you ride him, not the back up. Lets give hm a chance to gain some carries before we say he cant handle the load.

Bottom line, all the runners we have will vie for the starters role. Behind this line, whoever wins, will do fine. We dont need a 2000 yard back this year if the D is improved as everyone suspects. We just need a back to get 2 yards on 3rd and 1, a yard or three on 2nd or 3rd and goal from the 1-2-3 yard line. McFadden and Randle have enough speed to keep the opposing D leery of the run and enough power to gain the tough yards behind a top 5 Oline when needed. while the O line has enough muscle to make our passing game formidable with Dez, Williams, Beasley and Witten. We can go into this year without a Murray type back and if one of our current back takes the mantle of a first line guy, we are better for it. But having the league leader in rushing yards in not a priority for this team any more. Also I like this Day guy for the goal line bulldozer type back that can rack up 10-15 scores inside the 5.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I didn't say anything about injuries or him not producing in the past.
You said he was the best thing to happen to the offense, and I said the main upgrade was and difference was not Murray (who was already here) but the oline improvement.

If you don't agree, that's fine. That's just how I see it.

If you ask me who we could least afford to remove from the offense, I'd say
Romo
Oline as a whole
Dez
Murray

in that order

I would change Murray for Witten. His first down catching and blocking is more important then Murray

 

[dwreck27]

I like how everyone is clamoring to pay Murray yet hop on different thread preaching we need pass rush and added defensive pieces....

I'm sorry we can't pay everyone top pay with a salary cap.... it's the way the socialistic NFL wants it... wisen up

 

[jobberone]

1) Who, Mcfadden overrated? hes not being overrated. Everyones wanting AP? If you have an overrated back you dont want to trade for another overrated back. I know your not talking Randle or Williams or Day. Aint none of them even rated, let alone overrated.
2) There are no security guards on the field during a game, non issue. I dont even know what your talking about here anyways. I assume the Randle shoplifting incident, unless Mcfadden had reason to run from a security guard at some point, which I am not aware of.
3) Who are we talking about here. I know its not McFadden, he has plenty of career carries. Randle? Hes been second fiddle to Murray, course he has not had a lot of carries, when you have a work horse, you ride him, not the back up. Lets give hm a chance to gain some carries before we say he cant handle the load.

Bottom line, all the runners we have will vie for the starters role. Behind this line, whoever wins, will do fine. We dont need a 2000 yard back this year if the D is improved as everyone suspects. We just need a back to get 2 yards on 3rd and 1, a yard or three on 2nd or 3rd and goal from the 1-2-3 yard line. McFadden and Randle have enough speed to keep the opposing D leery of the run and enough power to gain the tough yards behind a top 5 Oline when needed. while the O line has enough muscle to make our passing game formidable with Dez, Williams, Beasley and Witten. We can go into this year without a Murray type back and if one of our current back takes the mantle of a first line guy, we are better for it. But having the league leader in rushing yards in not a priority for this team any more. Also I like this Day guy for the goal line bulldozer type back that can rack up 10-15 scores inside the 5.

I agree. We need a back who can get those dirty yards. Then one who can run to daylight in this ZBS which is designed for same. And we need a back who is a big threat and creates mismatches when used properly. And these guys need to be able to block and catch the ball well. The NFL is becoming more of a niche league than every before. Defenses run different looks so much that it's hard to say what is the base defense. Maybe that thought is somewhat outmoded.

We have the ability to do the above now even if you and I agree there are backs who might be better. I fully agree with the post above that we need to be efficient enough to open up the passing game and create respect for the run game.

Lastly I'd love to see some longer routes by the RBs and more opportunities in the open field. We haven't completed long passes in significant numbers to RBs in a long time. ??Herschel. Dorsett was great at it.

 

[Nightman]

I agree. We need a back who can get those dirty yards. Then one who can run to daylight in this ZBS which is designed for same. And we need a back who is a big threat and creates mismatches when used properly. And these guys need to be able to block and catch the ball well. The NFL is becoming more of a niche league than every before. Defenses run different looks so much that it's hard to say what is the base defense. Maybe that thought is somewhat outmoded.

We have the ability to do the above now even if you and I agree there are backs who might be better. I fully agree with the post above that we need to be efficient enough to open up the passing game and create respect for the run game.

Lastly I'd love to see some longer routes by the RBs and more opportunities in the open field. We haven't completed long passes in significant numbers to RBs in a long time. ??Herschel. Dorsett was great at it.

Funny, that sounds just like Murray.

 

[jobberone]

Funny, that sounds just like Murray.

yeah just cheaper and that's why he isn't here

 

[Nightman]

yeah just cheaper and that's why he isn't here

Yeah those 'Cap Savings' trophies look great on the mantle.

 

[gmoney112]

Yeah those 'Cap Savings' trophies look great on the mantle.

I'm guessing you'll pull a Risen or Alexander during Hitchens Defensive Player of the Week move and completely disappear from every thread about the subject when our RB corps makes your Murray lovefest look completely irrational.

Me? I'm looking forward to it.

 

[TwoDeep3]

If and when they pay AD, and he gets 8 a year, and they still fit him within their cap structure, all the Murray wanted too much is moot.

There is a strong possibility this front office, and specifically the Jones boys decided they didn't want to miss an opportunity to get AD if it was there. That means allowing Murray to walk.

There is so much day dreaming about AD when Murray was available. Jones and company did not offer market value for a guy who just posted almost 2K yards. No discussion. No negotiations. They allowed him to walk.

This is not Murray's fault. Nor should he has taken less because you think he should.

If AP comes and he has a special season, their gamble worked.

If they end up with the guys who are backs up or busts, and think they can eek out enough respect for the running game because of the line, then we'll see. But this is a straight up gamble.

Chris Johnson will be the consolation prize. The argument is he only had 662 yards. He also ran at a 4.2 clip and had 155 carries.

I do not believe the sun will set with this current roster of underachievers as the answer to Murray leaving.

 

[gmoney112]

If and when they pay AD, and he gets 8 a year, and they still fit him within their cap structure, all the Murray wanted too much is moot.

There is a strong possibility this front office, and specifically the Jones boys decided they didn't want to miss an opportunity to get AD if it was there. That means allowing Murray to walk.

There is so much day dreaming about AD when Murray was available. Jones and company did not offer market value for a guy who just posted almost 2K yards. No discussion. No negotiations. They allowed him to walk.

This is not Murray's fault. Nor should he has taken less because you think he should.

If AP comes and he has a special season, their gamble worked.

If they end up with the guys who are backs up or busts, and think they can eek out enough respect for the running game because of the line, then we'll see. But this is a straight up gamble.

Chris Johnson will be the consolation prize. The argument is he only had 662 yards. He also ran at a 4.2 clip and had 155 carries.

I do not believe the sun will set with this current roster of underachievers as the answer to Murray leaving.

Ahh,TwoDeep hating on the Cowboys. It must be the offseason.

Given your recent history of being completely incorrect and seemingly formulating opinions on the Dallas Cowboys while huffing paint out of a brown bag, i'll assume this post can only mean our RB corps will actually outperform all expectations.

 

[Nightman]

I'm guessing you'll pull a Risen or Alexander during Hitchens Defensive Player of the Week move and completely disappear from every thread about the subject when our RB corps makes your Murray lovefest look completely irrational.

Me? I'm looking forward to it.

I know, I hate it when a RB sets a franchise rushing record, wins AP Offensive Player of the Year, breaks a 50 year old Jim Brown record and leads a perennial 8-8 team to a 12-4 record.

But you can shove it in my face if one of our RBs does the same next year.

I take it if they suck you will disappear.

 

[gmoney112]

I know, I hate it when a RB sets a franchise rushing record, wins AP Offensive Player of the Year, breaks a 50 year old Jim Brown record and leads a perennial 8-8 team to a 12-4 record.

But you can shove it in my face if one of our RBs does the same next year.

I take it if they suck you will disappear.

Ah the CYA clause. Doesn't matter if our RB does fine, if they don't achieve the same accolades you will have an out. I see what you did there. On the same token, if Murray doesn't set an Eagles record, win AP Offensive Player of the Year, break a 50 year old record, or take the Eagles to a 12-4 record, I assume you'll take back the fact we should have resigned him?

 

[jobberone]

Yeah those 'Cap Savings' trophies look great on the mantle.

You're not saving cap. This reminds me of racers who spend all their money on the engine and neglect the rest of the car. You have to spend your money wisely.

 

[Nightman]

Ah the CYA clause. Doesn't matter if our RB does fine, if they don't achieve the same accolades you will have an out. I see what you did there. On the same token, if Murray doesn't set an Eagles record, win AP Offensive Player of the Year, break a 50 year old record, or take the Eagles to a 12-4 record, I assume you'll take back the fact we should have resigned him?

Nope

We should have re-signed him

Decisions shouldn't be judged in hindsight. Any fool can do that

 

[Nightman]

You're not saving cap. This reminds me of racers who spend all their money on the engine and neglect the rest of the car. You have to spend your money wisely.

We can have 30m in cap room with 3 pen strokes. Cap space isn't the problem.