Think the NFL is happy the Cowboys missed the playoffs?

[Brooksey]

Lol, and this fan just 'loves' the prospect of giving even more arbitrary control of a game to referees and not easy to apply and consistent rules.

What the hell are you even talking about? I never mentioned anything about control to a ref, lol. I hate refs.

 

[CCBoy]

What the hell are you even talking about? I never mentioned anything about control to a ref, lol. I hate refs.

Just go back to sleep, Son.

If one can't read between the lines...at least stay between the lines.

YOU DID INCLUDE THE MEDIA INCLUSION OF NFL available funds. That still relies upon fan support of everything involved with the running of that NFL...

 

[Brooksey]

Just go back to sleep, Son.

If one can't read between the lines...at least stay between the lines.

The point of my post is the NFL can still maneuver as it wishes despite ratings decline...for now as their revenue is guaranteed. I don't think that is a good thing for the game or the Cowboys.

When you reread the post and a light bulb goes off ..I'd like an apology...grumpy.

 

[CCBoy]

The point of my post is the NFL can still maneuver as it wishes despite ratings decline...for now as their revenue is guaranteed. I don't think that is a good thing for the game or the Cowboys.

When you reread the post and a light bulb goes off ..I'd like an apology...grumpy.

You ignore the message...no apology is offered, and ethics ALWAYS matter unless one favors profit from corrupt use of them.

Now, for the record, which side of the fence do you sit your butt on?

The sport the NFL resembles most is not rugby or anything physical at all; it’s Formula One racing, the brand of car racing most popular outside of the Americas, in which teams like Mercedes and Ferrari dominate. That competition is defined by yearly rule and regulation changes (things as granular as reducing downforce—the downward thrust that gives a car more grip—by 30 percent) and how teams respond to those changes. The best teams throw their manpower at finding loopholes and ways to get an edge within the new sets of rules—and they usually find them within a few weeks of knowing what the changes are. The team with the best adjustment wins, and it usually wins for a few years.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/1/9/...p-free-agent-spending-jaguars-eagles-patriots


But yes, ethics are still relevant...

 

[Brooksey]

You ignore the message...no apology is offered, and ethics ALWAYS matter unless one favors profit from corrupt use of them.

Now, for the record, which side of the fence do you sit your butt on?

I'm on the side of the Dallas Cowboys and the fans. I simply pointed out the reason why the NFL allows the BS anthem kneeling to happen and how the TV nets survive the ratings decline, which means they can "do without the Cowboys ratings" if they choose. Not good for us.

It takes a real man to apologize when their wrong. I know it's not easy but it is rewarding... you'll feel better in like 5 minutes.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm on the side of the Dallas Cowboys and the fans. I simply pointed out the reason why the NFL allows the BS anthem kneeling to happen and how the TV nets survive the ratings decline, which means they can "do without the Cowboys ratings" if they choose. Not good for us.

It takes a real man to apologize when their wrong. I know it's not easy but it is rewarding... you'll feel better in like 5 minutes.

I take an issue and explain that out, the above is done in second person, (you), and with intent of merely proving one's own self out....to ignore.

 

[Brooksey]

I take an issue and explain that out, the above is done in second person, (you), and with intent of merely proving one's own self out....to ignore.

Ok so I guess were not friends. Now go have another morning whiskey..wackadoo

 

[MarcusRock]

Blandino misinterpreted completion of the catch process as hinging on how upright a player was. The rule said nothing about "upright vs. falling," and was only concerned about possession being maintained if the player made contact with the ground before completing the process. Read the highlighted "goes to" below as "contacts." That's how it was meant.

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete."

That whole section (on which Blandino claimed to base his overturn) doesn't even apply unless the catch process (control, two feet, football move) wasn't completed, and even then, is only concerned with what happens when the player hits the ground. Not "loses balance and starts to fall," but actually "goes to the ground". It has to be that way because contact with the ground is an observable point in time on which officials can base their call. Officials -- who, unlike Blandino, had actually worked on the field in real games -- helped make this rule that was in place for years.

His misinterpretation resulted in a rewording of the rule (quietly announced over the Fourth of July weekend the summer after the play) which happened to fit his overturn of the Dez play. The problem was that the new version of the rule removed the observable football move, meaning officials would have to use their own judgment as to whether a player was "upright long enough" instead of using the observable standard of "contact with the ground." You may remember that this caused all kinds of confusion during the 2015 season. By season's end it was so bad that the league put together a blue ribbon panel of WR and TE to fix the wording of the rule, (which they did basically by reinstating the observable standard of the football move) and a year later Blandino resigned "to spend more time with his family."

If you still want to try to defend an ex-head of officials' misapplication of a rule he didn't understand, you should first understand the rule yourself. "Going to the ground" 1) doesn't mean "starting to fall," and 2) doesn't trump the catch process anyway.

3rd time asking you percy: How did Dez' "reach" compare to Johnson's and Thomas' in the video examples you referenced?

I'm giving this a post all to itself so you won't be offended at an accusation that you've "conveniently" not answered this question before I address your post above a little while later when I have time.

 

[camelboy]

I don't think the league cares that much whether the Cowboys make it or not. Hey are getting their money anyway from the TV deal. It is the TV networks who do wish we make it every month

 

[percyhoward]

3rd time asking you percy: How did Dez' "reach" compare to Johnson's and Thomas' in the video examples you referenced?

Unlike Thomas and Dez, Johnson did not have control and two feet down before the football move (the reach). Only Thomas' was ruled a catch.

Control, three steps, reach, ball comes loose on contact with the ground, and it's ruled a catch.

 

[CCBoy]

3rd time asking you percy: How did Dez' "reach" compare to Johnson's and Thomas' in the video examples you referenced?

I'm giving this a post all to itself so you won't be offended at an accusation that you've "conveniently" not answered this question before I address your post above a little while later when I have time.

Oh, he's been at this point in this very discussion on this point, many times...and successfully explained the arbitrary versus actual roles that affect a rule application, if one is actually paying attention and giving real ear space to what is provided.

 

[NotForLong]

As The Don would say those are ******** teams from ******** cities. And this is a ******** league. This is what happens when you allow the mafia to influence the out come of games.

 

[MarcusRock]

Unlike Thomas and Dez, Johnson did not have control and two feet down before the football move (the reach). Only Thomas' was ruled a catch.

Control, three steps, reach, ball comes loose on contact with the ground, and it's ruled a catch.

Nice job evading the question. I asked you specifically about the reach portion and nothing else. How did Dez' reach compare to Johnson's and Thomas'? I'm talking execution, not intent, by the way.

 

[percyhoward]

Nice job evading the question. I asked you specifically about the reach portion and nothing else. How did Dez' reach compare to Johnson's and Thomas'?

You tell me, then we're bound to get it right.

 

[Floatyworm]

Looks like a bunch of teams nobody cares about.

LOL...the cat is out of the bag. The league is fixed. And people are sick of games being fixed....refs keeping games close w/ poor officiated games.

There is no fixing this...This league is a dead man walking. It's just a matter of time before the collapse. Fans are just gonna quit watching/paying these enormous amounts for tickets. Teams won't be able to continue to pay these ridicolous contracts for players.

It's a house of cards....And the grand pooba Goodell has ruined it for everybody.

 

[coult44]

Take a look at this from this past weekend:

Wild Card Weekend Overnights Roundup:
TEN-KC: 14.7 HH -11% YOY vs. 16.6 (OAK-HOU)
ATL-LAR: 14.9 HH -10% YOY vs. 16.5 (DET-SEA)
BUF-JAX: 17.2 HH -10% YOY vs. 19.2 (MIA-PIT)
CAR-NO: 20.4 HH -21% YOY vs. 25.9 (NYG-GB)

That is almost a 15% drop from 2017, which was a drop from 2016. The bleeding continues and they don't have the answer.

Last year there were 2 playoff games that actually had an increase over 2016, DAL-GB and NE-PIT, and that was it. Not even the SB had an increase. And that game had 1 of the 4 ratings locks, NE. The other 3 are DAL, GB and PIT.

Now, there are various explanations, beginning with the Presidential debates last year but that proved to be false as it did not recover.

Then we get the anthem kneeling but that is avoidable and even the league started doing that by keeping players in the locker room.

So, why are so many turning it off? Wanna hear my reason? Oh, sure you do, don't be that way.

First of all, do you think attention spans have been on the rise or decline? Experts tell us not only on the decline but it is a sharp one. How long does it take to watch a game? 3.5 hours most of the time if we're lucky when games back in the 70's were completed at about 2:45. Now, how much action is there? The exact same amount of action allotted, 4 15 minute quarters but how many stops in today's games?

It takes too long and too much energy to stay involved, it is a passive medium and they're asking viewers to be active. I have a reason for my challenge staying involved but I think it is a chore for "normal" viewers as well. They created the Red Zone Channel for ADD's like me.

The NFL must look within for the reasons why they're losing interest and the Golden Geese, those networks, are nervous and they sure would like the Cowboys and Packers in the playoffs.

The Super Bowl has exploded, and is bigger and more popular every year. This all without the Cowboys for the last 23 of them..

 

[Section446]

They would have only gotten one game out of us anyway.

 

[CWR]

Unlike Thomas and Dez, Johnson did not have control and two feet down before the football move (the reach). Only Thomas' was ruled a catch.

Control, three steps, reach, ball comes loose on contact with the ground, and it's ruled a catch.

Yes, that wasnt even close to the Dez catch.

 

[MarcusRock]

The fact that you avoided my question on one of the key components of the play twice and then feigned ignorance the 3rd time I asked, tells me all I need to know about your stance. I'll humor myself anyways.

Blandino misinterpreted completion of the catch process as hinging on how upright a player was. The rule said nothing about "upright vs. falling," and was only concerned about possession being maintained if the player made contact with the ground before completing the process. Read the highlighted "goes to" below as "contacts." That's how it was meant.

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete."

That whole section (on which Blandino claimed to base his overturn) doesn't even apply unless the catch process (control, two feet, football move) wasn't completed, and even then, is only concerned with what happens when the player hits the ground. Not "loses balance and starts to fall," but actually "goes to the ground". It has to be that way because contact with the ground is an observable point in time on which officials can base their call. Officials -- who, unlike Blandino, had actually worked on the field in real games -- helped make this rule that was in place for years.

His misinterpretation resulted in a rewording of the rule (quietly announced over the Fourth of July weekend the summer after the play) which happened to fit his overturn of the Dez play. The problem was that the new version of the rule removed the observable football move, meaning officials would have to use their own judgment as to whether a player was "upright long enough" instead of using the observable standard of "contact with the ground." You may remember that this caused all kinds of confusion during the 2015 season. By season's end it was so bad that the league put together a blue ribbon panel of WR and TE to fix the wording of the rule, (which they did basically by reinstating the observable standard of the football move) and a year later Blandino resigned "to spend more time with his family."

If you still want to try to defend an ex-head of officials' misapplication of a rule he didn't understand, you should first understand the rule yourself. "Going to the ground" 1) doesn't mean "starting to fall," and 2) doesn't trump the catch process anyway.

So the head of officiating whose job it is to interpret the rules, misinterpreted the rules and didn't admit his mistake even though the NFL does so routinely for blown calls during the regular season and playoffs? Cool story. So for what reason didn't he admit his "mistake" according to you? Was it just a CYA situation or was he involved in the ol' reliable fail safe for a Cowboys loss to those who can't accept it: CONSPIRACY!

The rule is not difficult to understand and the video you posted (the one you now avoid questions about) shows the difference clearly between someone going to the ground in the act of catching a pass (Johnson [and Dez] ) and catching a ball while on your feet, establishing yourself as a runner (Thomas). It also shows what a proper reach looks like which Dez didn't execute. If you leave your feet in making a catch, you risk "going to the ground" with the ball and triggering those rules. If a player is "going to the ground" those sets of rules apply, period and they're necessary to govern the super athletic catches that happen in the game. The question of going to the ground is a yes/no question: are you on your feet running, establishing yourself as a runner or did your act of catching the pass take you to the ground as a result? There's nothing in the rules that state these rules can be untriggered by doing A, B, C, or whatever. You simply have to have the ball survive the ground with control. Dez did not. The Item numbers in Article 3 are all categories that if they happen (after a yes/no determination) state the rules that apply in those situations (sidelines, simultaneous catches, carried out of bounds). In the carried out of bounds Item (Item 6), a player's feet or body never touch the ground but yet he is awarded a catch. So does this Item's rules "trump the catch process" or not? The answer is yes. So too do the going to the ground rules (Item 1). Thanks for playing.

I have no idea where you come up with officials all of a sudden using judgment about players being "upright long enough." As long as the going to the ground rule has been on the books, they've ALWAYS had to make that judgment as a yes/no determination of whether the going to the ground rules applied or not as I've stated.

So Blandino didn't misinterpret anything. The rules DO hinge on a player being an upright runner or going to the ground as he catches a pass. The only people I've ever seen claiming Blandino misinterpreted rules are the emotional Cowboys fans with an extreme vested interest that he did (for their psyche). And of course emotion never made anyone see things they really, really want to be true that just aren't. No, never in the history of mankind.

Again, it is as I've said. To try to make Dez' catch legit, you have to do all in your power to avoid the going to the ground rule, which I guess now includes changing words in the rules to suit one's purpose and claiming that the one whose job it is to interpret the rules just misinterpreted them and sought to cover it up in broad daylight. Once again I say, cool story.

 

[yimyammer]

Ok so I guess were not friends. Now go have another morning whiskey..wackadoo