Third rounder - Demarco Murray

[Cowboy from New York]

2 picks in a row with an injury or injury history is a bit much for me. The end of the world stuff on this pick is way over the top however. If you are gonna knock Jerry on it than JG has to get it as well. To think he didnt have say on his first offensive skill position player in the draft is absurd.

 

[fishspill]

Well said, sir.

I almost liked that Madiu (I think? sp?) more than Murray last year. Granted, that was in very limited time, but still.

JJT was just saying that Garrett always tells him he wants a physical, downhill running game.

This is the guy for that?

Murray will do what he is told. He's a good soldier, don't doubt that. I just don't think he has the leg drive in the pile or the elusiveness in space to be anything more than average at the next level. Remember, there are highlights of Barber making people look stupid in space. On the whole, it didn't happen that much. All the best to the kid. I just think this was a flawed pick. Hope he proves me wrong.

And Madu isn't an NFL player. He flashes. Another good college guy.

 

[BigWillie]

This may be one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted on the internet. He has a few things going against him, but this is not one of them. Looking at draft reports, one of the almost unanimous things is that he is a home run threat.

In '09 (because I decided to look) he had ONE rush of 20+ yards -- against Idaho State.

In two years, he had only 7 carries of 20+ yards?

2009 - 9 plays (run or catch) of 20+ yards

2010 - 9 plays (run or catch) of 20+ yards

In total, he had 565 plays (run or pass opportunities) in the past 2 years. In total, only 18 of them were 20+ yard plays. That is barely 3% of his touches resulted in 'impact' plays for his offense.

Then you tell me - where are the big plays in college? Is he just hiding them, waiting for the pros? :laugh2:

It's great you read what someone tells you to think. But nothing, besides some words on a random sheet you read somewhere, back up your claim.

Statistics are pretty 'ignorant', eh?

 

[Alweezy]

Again, though, who knows. Hell, Adrian Peterson was better as a pro than he was as a Sooner, too. This guy would be scary on screens.

Even though this was wrote a long time ago, I still must comment on it...

Adrian Peterson was amazing as a Sooner.. why he fell to 7 with people questioning if he was injury prone was the mistake that those teams that passed him will have to live with.

DeMarco was good, but not to that level.. I'm not sure if there will be any surprises or special tricks up his sleeve when he gets into the league.

I like the pick only because it removes Dez forever from KR.

 

[fishspill]

His pass protection is substandard.

The consensus is his blocking is good so maybe I'm outta my mind on this point. If I am right we can always hope the fact is proven on McGee in the preseason and not Romo in Week 2.

 

[PBJTime]

In '09 (because I decided to look) he had ONE rush of 20+ yards -- against Idaho State.

In two years, he had only 7 carries of 20+ yards?

2009 - 9 plays (run or catch) of 20+ yards

2010 - 9 plays (run or catch) of 20+ yards

In total, he had 565 plays (run or pass opportunities) in the past 2 years. In total, only 18 of them were 20+ yard plays. That is barely 3% of his touches resulted in 'impact' plays for his offense.

Then you tell me - where are the big plays in college? Is he just hiding them, waiting for the pros? :laugh2:

It's great you read what someone tells you to think. But nothing, besides some words on a random sheet you read somewhere, back up your claim.

Statistics are pretty 'ignorant', eh?

For one, I would like to know why you chose to ignore 2007 and 2008.

In any case, great work! You should get paid to evaluate talent, based solely on numbers alone! I wonder who would pay for your services???

Nah, I'll take what I've seen with my eyes, along with professional reports over numbers only. Besides, it's not ONE random sheet. Not to mention, these guys have a much more comprehensive evaluation of a player than you do, sitting behind your computer and reading a stat sheet.

This really doesn't tell me a great deal relative to OTHER backs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Stupid. That was a waste of a pick and the last hour of my life.

Whatever happened to the notion that the first three rounds had to be players that could get on the field?

Who says he is not going to get on the field?


Pretty obvious either Marion or Choice is gone now.

 

[slomoxn]

You don't get it, that's why we got Murray. He is a good kick returner, which means that after our putrid DB's get killed possession after possession, teams will have to face Murray returning KO's.

That's the only possible explanation for this pick.

Don't be shocked if we pick a TE who was out of football last year, as well as a fullback, a punter and a specialty kicker. Positions of needs on the team.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He will do nothing. I've seen every play he's ever been involved in. He's a huge mistake. Not worth a 6th.

He is rated #84 by Gosslin.


So Gosslin says he is a 3rd rounder and you say he is not worth a 6th? No offense, but I think I will belive Gosslin's rating over yours.

 

[Anjinsan]

Lots of NFL personnel experts responding.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I haven't been this pissed off by a Cowboys pick since Carpenter. But at least I understood the Carpenter pick. This makes no sense whatsoever.

Dude, he is your new 3rd down back.


He is already the best pass blocking RB on the team. Or would you prefer we let Gronkowski protect Romo on blitz pickup again this year?

 

[BigWillie]

For one, I would like to know why you chose to ignore 2007 and 2008.

In any case, great work! You should get paid to evaluate talent, based solely on numbers alone! I wonder who would pay for your services???

Nah, I'll take what I've seen with my eyes, along with professional reports over numbers only. Besides, it's not ONE random sheet. Not to mention, these guys have a much more comprehensive evaluation of a player than you do, sitting behind your computer and reading a stat sheet.

This really doesn't tell me a great deal relative to OTHER backs.

If you want more numbers, that you think may support your argument, you are more than free to look them up yourself. It would be silly for me to look them up at this point, because your well-trained eye would just overlook basic statistics to tell me how wrong I still am.

Even more, I wouldn't go back to freshman and sophomore seasons to judge a player. If I, or anyone did, we would all have said Chris Rix may have been the #1 overall pick when he came out. Injuries, evolution of a player, MANY circumstances can/will change for any player as they grow older.

I get it, you're biased. You are an OU fan. But don't come in here peeing on my head trying to tell me it's rain. Demarco may be good in pass-pro, and he may be a good receiver, but do not try to tell me he is a big play threat. That's just complete bias on your part trying to speak when absolutely NOTHING he has done at OU backs that up.

BTW, I'm a B12 fan, so I regularly watch these games as well.

But hey, he is a big play threat, that just doesn't show up in his numbers. His big plays invisible and only noticed by the most well-trained internet observers and random message board posters. :laugh1:

Simple thing - show me where he makes big plays. Statistically, videos, anything to back up your claim.

I'll wait.

 

[fishspill]

He is rated #84 by Gosslin.


So Gosslin says he is a 3rd rounder and you say he is not worth a 6th? No offense, but I think I will belive Gosslin's rating over yours.

Not to be glib but Brewster was rated where again? You're right to follow Goose's rankings over some stranger's, but it ain't gospel. And my gospel says you'll be sorely disappointed by the results. All due respect.

 

[jimmy40]

The year Tebow Gator chomped their *** their o line was as good as it gets.

The year before too.

your way overating their Olines just to dump on Murray.

 

[PBJTime]

If you want more numbers, that you think may support your argument, you are more than free to look them up yourself. It would be silly for me to look them up at this point, because your well-trained eye would just overlook basic statistics to tell me how wrong I still am.

I get it, you're biased. You are an OU fan. But don't come in here peeing on my head trying to tell me it's rain. Demarco may be good in pass-pro, and he may be a good receiver, but do not try to tell me he is a big play threat. That's just complete bias on your part trying to speak when absolutely NOTHING he has done at OU backs that up.

BTW, I'm a B12 fan, so I regularly watch these games as well.

But hey, he is a big play threat, that just doesn't show up in his numbers. His big plays invisible and only noticed by the most well-trained internet observers and random message board posters. :laugh1:

Simple thing - show me where he makes big plays. Statistically, videos, anything to back up your claim.

I'll wait.

You're the one only using half of his career numbers to back up your claim. Don't take my word for it, search for Murray's scouting reports. Find one that doesn't say something about him being a big play threat. You may be able to find one or two, I'm not sure, but I didn't in my brief search.

Again, you don't put your numbers into any perspective. How many runs of 20+ did Adrian Peterson have in college, for example? If you're going to present a case that goes against the overwhelming majority, at least present a complete case.

I'm not going solely off of my "well-trained" eye. I'm going off of virtually EVERY scouting report on this kid. He has injury concerns and a few other issues, but with a 4.34 lowest timed 40, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that he isn't a home run threat, especially going against countless others who have access to much more information than you or I.

You are the one asserting (against the general consensus) that he has "no big play ability." The onus is on you to paint that picture. Half of his career stats and no reference to the viability of those stats make a poor case.

I fully admit that I'm deferring to the experts more than anything. I have no desire to waste too much time on someone who is obviously going against the grain in this aspect of Murray's abilities.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Murray didn't even play against the Gators in that BCS championship.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Murray didn't even play against the Gators in that BCS championship.

Your a Sooner fan BC31. Do you think that taking Murray ahead of some of the other players on the board was a good move?

 

[jimmy40]

Simple thing - show me where he makes big plays. Statistically, videos, anything to back up your claim.

I'll wait.

you want all 65 TDs?

 

[PBJTime]

Your a Sooner fan BC31. Do you think that taking Murray ahead of some of the other players on the board was a good move?

I know that this isn't directed at me, but I don't think this was necessarily the "right" pick. However, I think we got a very good player.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Your a Sooner fan BC31. Do you think that taking Murray ahead of some of the other players on the board was a good move?

I would have been happier if he was our 4th round pick no question about it