This Draft and The Quinn 4-3

[ghst187]

Fehoko may not even be good enough to make the roster and some are penciling him in as a starter.

Hard not to like him but he’s behind the 8ball for snaps. He really plays with a relentless motor and good awareness. I’m wondering if the plan is to play him like Gholston, can backup at DE and kick inside in nickel or dime.

I’ll say I’m most intrigued by Overshown. He can do about everything and when he makes a decision he is like a missile. Like the way he plays.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They're hoping Overshown will be the next Jayron Kearse. After watching some film on him it seems he's in a similar mold, but he also has pass rush ability. Love that pick.

Fans are really going to love him once he gets some playing time and starts flying around.

 

[McMicah]

Quinn has used multiple fronts.

Neal is gone. Maybe you mean Clark.

Almost always when they've had 2 other LBs on the field, Parsons was at DE.
- i.e. They've rarely played a 4-3. It's almost always 4-2-5.
- The 4-2-5 is split between Nickel and Big Nickel (3 Safety Sets).
- If you want to consider Kearse as a LB in 3 Safety sets, then you could call that a 4-3.

I heard all of McCarthy, Stephen and McClay mention that they wanted to improve on 1st/2nd downs to give them better 3rd down yardage situations.
- McCarthy referenced that on both defense and offense.

Haha sorry I meant Kearse, not Neal

 

[CowboyRoy]

the main reason is you wont get to play some of the terrible quarterbacks and offenses Dallas did last year. They also had luck go their way in a few games when their opponents offense was seriously depleted due to injury like the Lions were.

Not to many Joshua Dobbs, Davis Mills or Gardner Minshews on the schedule this year. You do get Sam Howell twice I guess though.

Has zero to do with the quality of our defense.

 

[CowboyRoy]

well its really up to the players to make the plays that the Coach gives them.

Wow….thats deep!

 

[exciter]

Fehoko may not even be good enough to make the roster and some are penciling him in as a starter.

My guess is they’ve been eyeing him and forming a plan going back to when they were scouting Bland last season. He’s not going to start, but he’ll definitely make the team and get meaningful snaps!

 

[MikeB80]

Has zero to do with the quality of our defense.

Absolutely.

Playing Davis Mills and Joshua Dobbs is exactly the same as playing Josh Allen and Aaron Rogers.

Well said.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Absolutely.

Playing Davis Mills and Joshua Dobbs is exactly the same as playing Josh Allen and Aaron Rogers.

Well said.

Your defense is good or not good no matter who you play. Lol

 

[MikeB80]

Your defense is good or not good no matter who you play. Lol

Definitely. Again well said.

Whether its Justin Fields and Gardner Minshew or Jaylon Hurts and Justin Herbert it doesn't matter. There is absolutely no difference

 

[reddyuta]

this is not the NFL 10 years ago,teams will throw on early downs every time if we go with such a heavy package,you still have to cover guys.

 

[Jarntt]

It’s actually really interesting looking at this draft and trying to project the vision for this team, ESPECIALLY the defense….and I think I’m starting to see it.

Imagine first downs with ultra heavy packages up front (S. Williams/fehoko, Mazi, Hankins, Lawrence) and Micah, LVE, and Overshown/Neal playing linebacker with the option to blitz from multiple spots. That’s hard to run on, a blitz can kill your throw timing, and overshown/Neal can cover your TE or HB

You can tailor your packages from balanced to ‘rush’ packages based on 1st down gains and game situations.

The more I look at these picks, the more it seems like Dan is trying to dominate early downs to allow our strong rush game to get more opportunities. Too many times got first downs on 2nd down. No longer. I think he wants to go from “bend but don’t break” to “make them earn every yard”. Love it

I don't think you are going to be seeing Overshown in run situations this year in a two LB set (I know you listed 3 LBs in your example) and certainly not in one I would categorize as "ultra heavy". I think he will get a lot of snaps in the nickel where he can use his speed and quickness and be that "heat seeking missile" we read about. Also, Neal isn't here any more. I assume you mean Kearse or Wilson, but then I wouldn't be calling that an "ultra heavy package" with 5 DBs. Or maybe you mean Clark who I think will be playing on most early downs.

I do like the idea of going a little bigger on early downs. I like to get Micah as a FT edge on passing downs obviously, but I'd rather see him either play a little more LB or rotate a little on early downs to keep the wear and tear a little lower. Tough to take a guy of his talent off the field ever though and think you are doing a good thing.

I do like that Fehoko is a little bigger than what seems to be our normal choice of DEs. I think he will be a better backup to Tank than we have if he pans out and I think playing both of them (again if he pans out) will make us a little more stout. Williams has good size too but needs to learn a little more patience and hold his responsibility and hold the edge instead of immediately going up field or crashing down. It's what makes him so good at penetrating, but also causes him to lose the edge sometimes. I suspect he was just trying so hard to make a play every time he was out there to earn more snaps and that this year he will do a better job of it. I wonder if come this time next year we clean out the old guard and Armstrong, Fowler and McKinley (maybe this year for him) are all gone. I think Tank stays as long as his run defense is great but that's probably not too many more years. If they all work out, our young stable of DEs could be great for both our defense and our cap.

 

[Jarntt]

I think the goal is to force teams into obvious passing downs, make them one dimensional, where our superior pass rush can put extreme pressure on the opposition and create turnovers.

The 3rd and short situations killed us against certain teams. How do you lose to GB when you are winning all game and us 14 points in the 2nd half and Rodgers only completes 14 passes in a game that goes to OT? Putting teams in 3rd and long and unleashing our pass rush is going to lead to turnovers, 3 and outs and wins and also help our Offense. It's going to help a lot against the teams in our division and SF if we meet again in the playoffs.

 

[xwalker]

I don't think you are going to be seeing Overshown in run situations this year in a two LB set (I know you listed 3 LBs in your example) and certainly not in one I would categorize as "ultra heavy". I think he will get a lot of snaps in the nickel where he can use his speed and quickness and be that "heat seeking missile" we read about. Also, Neal isn't here any more. I assume you mean Kearse or Wilson, but then I wouldn't be calling that an "ultra heavy package" with 5 DBs. Or maybe you mean Clark who I think will be playing on most early downs.

I do like the idea of going a little bigger on early downs. I like to get Micah as a FT edge on passing downs obviously, but I'd rather see him either play a little more LB or rotate a little on early downs to keep the wear and tear a little lower. Tough to take a guy of his talent off the field ever though and think you are doing a good thing.

I do like that Fehoko is a little bigger than what seems to be our normal choice of DEs. I think he will be a better backup to Tank than we have if he pans out and I think playing both of them (again if he pans out) will make us a little more stout. Williams has good size too but needs to learn a little more patience and hold his responsibility and hold the edge instead of immediately going up field or crashing down. It's what makes him so good at penetrating, but also causes him to lose the edge sometimes. I suspect he was just trying so hard to make a play every time he was out there to earn more snaps and that this year he will do a better job of it. I wonder if come this time next year we clean out the old guard and Armstrong, Fowler and McKinley (maybe this year for him) are all gone. I think Tank stays as long as his run defense is great but that's probably not too many more years. If they all work out, our young stable of DEs could be great for both our defense and our cap.

Overshown is probably the backup to Kearse in 2023.
- Kearse in 3 Safety sets where is is basically a coverage LB.

It's also possible that he plays some snaps in the role that Neal played in 2021.
- Neal and LVE rotated as the LB playing with Parsons in 2021.
- Neal played on passing downs and LVE on run downs.

It is also possible that Quinn completely mixes it up.\
- He might play some snaps with a heavy DL and go lighter at LB.
- i.e. Hankins & Mazi together with big DEs on the field.
- Last season they played a few snaps with Hankins, Watkins & Bohanna all on the field together.

 

[John813]

Ridgeway

Before that was Michael Jackson from the 2019 draft, 5th round pick.
Joe Johnson lasted a year before being waived(other 5th round pick)

 

[CATCH17]

They played 4-3 "base" something like 3% of snaps last year. The 3-4 vs. 4-3 distinction and schemes are irrelevant.

Yep..

Quinn just matches up with the offense.

Having a player like Overshown may get more linebackers on the field but Overshown is really a hybrid player with no real position.

It’s like Donovan Wilson. We call him a safety but he’s really a box player that we ask to do a lot of things.

 

[Jarntt]

Overshown is probably the backup to Kearse in 2023.
- Kearse in 3 Safety sets where is is basically a coverage LB.

It's also possible that he plays some snaps in the role that Neal played in 2021.
- Neal and LVE rotated as the LB playing with Parsons in 2021.
- Neal played on passing downs and LVE on run downs.

It is also possible that Quinn completely mixes it up.\
- He might play some snaps with a heavy DL and go lighter at LB.
- i.e. Hankins & Mazi together with big DEs on the field.
- Last season they played a few snaps with Hankins, Watkins & Bohanna all on the field together.

The OPs plan was about playing an "ultra heavy package" on early downs. That possibility is what I was referring to and not what I think Quinn likely does. As far as what I think Overshown will actually do in our defense (if he is good enough), it is play on passing downs in 2 LB sets. Putting both LVE and Clark out there just wasn't good enough and the team seems to have no interest in playing Cox. Someone needs to cover the short middle of the field when we play that zone and play it better than we have been. Someone needs to get out to the flat quicker and not always be trailing. Clark was absolutely lost in that role and LVE hasn't been great either. Hopefully Clark is better with a real offseason to learn. I don't think we are taking Kearse or Wilson off the field in those situations, so I don't see him playing that particular role unless injury but we are going to try and play the kid assuming he is up to it and that means as a coverage LB. If one of Kearse/Wilson gets hurt I think he may shift to that hybrid role. Yes, to your Neal comment. That is exactly how I think we will play him and what I was referring to

 

[CowboyFrog]

It’s actually really interesting looking at this draft and trying to project the vision for this team, ESPECIALLY the defense….and I think I’m starting to see it.

Imagine first downs with ultra heavy packages up front (S. Williams/fehoko, Mazi, Hankins, Lawrence) and Micah, LVE, and Overshown/Neal playing linebacker with the option to blitz from multiple spots. That’s hard to run on, a blitz can kill your throw timing, and overshown/Neal can cover your TE or HB

You can tailor your packages from balanced to ‘rush’ packages based on 1st down gains and game situations.

The more I look at these picks, the more it seems like Dan is trying to dominate early downs to allow our strong rush game to get more opportunities. Too many times got first downs on 2nd down. No longer. I think he wants to go from “bend but don’t break” to “make them earn every yard”. Love it

3-4 with Hankins/Mazi DT rotation, Tank Fehoko, smith and crew DE's..Micah, cox, LVE, Overshown, Neal comming from all angles. A hybrid 3-4/nickle like this is going to bring the heat and be good on the run. We have quitly aquired a good DL for the 3-4 Fehoko, Tank seem like prototype 3-4attack DE's actually.

 

[Coogiguy03]

It’s actually really interesting looking at this draft and trying to project the vision for this team, ESPECIALLY the defense….and I think I’m starting to see it.

Imagine first downs with ultra heavy packages up front (S. Williams/fehoko, Mazi, Hankins, Lawrence) and Micah, LVE, and Overshown/Neal playing linebacker with the option to blitz from multiple spots. That’s hard to run on, a blitz can kill your throw timing, and overshown/Neal can cover your TE or HB

You can tailor your packages from balanced to ‘rush’ packages based on 1st down gains and game situations.

The more I look at these picks, the more it seems like Dan is trying to dominate early downs to allow our strong rush game to get more opportunities. Too many times got first downs on 2nd down. No longer. I think he wants to go from “bend but don’t break” to “make them earn every yard”. Love it

Who is neal

 

[Coogiguy03]

Running downs might be Armstrong/Fehoko, 5-tech Golston/Odighizuwa, 1-tech Hankins/Mazi, 3-tech Mazi/Odighizuwa, Lawrence/Fehoko; linebackers LVE, Parsons, Clark

Passing downs: Parsons/Williams, Fehoko/Odigihizuwa, Lawrence/Armstrong, Fowler/Williams; linebackers Overshown, Clark/LVE, Kearse

I'm sorry but I'm pulling Lawrence off on passing downs

 

[gimmesix]

I'm sorry but I'm pulling Lawrence off on passing downs

You shouldn't. His pressure often leads to other players getting sacks. He's a better pass rusher than anyone we have other than Parsons, even if someone else reaps the benefits of it. Advanced stats show Parsons with 41 pressures last year and Lawrence tied with Fowler for second with 21 (and that's despite Lawrence often moving inside to DT in passing situations while Fowler came in to man an end spot). He's often underappreciated around here because he does the dirty work like crashing inside the tackle to flush the QB so that another defender can clean it up.

One play illustrates his value as a pass rusher, although I can't remember the team it came against, just the Sounds from the Sideline that let us know why the sack happened. Lawrence saw how the offense was blocking Parsons, so he devised a move they would do the next time out there that would get Parsons free to sack the QB and it worked to perfection. If I remember right, I believe that Lawrence saw that the guard was immediately stepping to his right to wall off Parsons so Lawrence crashed down into the guard to create a lane for Parsons to go get the QB.

There were several times I noticed that Armstrong benefitted from the pressure that Lawrence caused to get some of his sacks. Those things don't produce stats, but they do produce results.