This franchise lacks juice

[KJJ]

Translation - Embrace mediocrity.

Most Cowboys fans have never experienced true mediocrity because the team has been solid at QB for so many years. Mediocrity is suffering through losing seasons and missing the playoffs every year.

 

[diamonddelts]

Most Cowboys fans have never experienced true mediocrity because the team has been solid at QB for so many years. Mediocrity is suffering through losing seasons and missing the playoffs every year.

4-11 in the playoffs over the last 28 years. Romo and Dak have two of the worst play off records of all time for any starting QB in the history of the N.F.L. Yep solid as a rock at QB.

 

[KJJ]

4-11 in the playoffs over the last 28 years. Romo and Dak have two of the worst play off records of all time for any starting QB in the history of the N.F.L. Yep solid as a rock at QB.

Troy Aikman was 0-2 in the playoffs his final few seasons with the Cowboys. The only time the QB was part of the problem was between 2001 and 2005. It takes a solid team along with a solid QB to have playoff success and win a Super Bowl. The Cowboys haven’t had the teams especially defensively.

 

[charron]

We would likely be 0-6 without them. You’re living in the moment.

No. I'm not suggesting they should pay someone. I'm only suggesting grossly overpaying players is terrible cap management and results in overhyped poor seasons with contracts you can not escape from. There were a plethora of player options they could have chosen sign instead.

 

[KJJ]

No. I'm not suggesting they should pay someone. I'm only suggesting grossly overpaying players is terrible cap management and results in overhyped poor seasons with contracts you can not escape from. There were a plethora of player options they could have chosen sign instead.

You have no choice these days, but to pay top players market value. All the teams are paying top dollar for their QBs. There’s no way around it, but trading them or letting them walk. If you don’t pay them, someone else will and you’ll be left using premium draft picks trying to replace them. The Cowboys have a lot of holes and can’t afford to let their best players go.

 

[fivetwos]

We were 1-15 in 89 and that team is ranked in the top 10 worst teams in NFL history. I get that you’re disappointed with the team we have this season, but let’s not go overboard.

The difference is in 89 they had….

-A rookie franchise QB.
-A great staff with a history of winning in college.
-A boatload of draft picks in the next few years.

Now we have a team that isn’t good enough as is, and management saying they can’t afford any additional players.

I had TONS more hope in 1989.

 

[KJJ]

The difference is in 89 they had….

-A rookie franchise QB.
-A great staff with a history of winning in college.
-A boatload of draft picks in the next few years.

Now we have a team that isn’t good enough as is, and management saying they can’t afford any additional players.

I had TONS more hope in 1989.

We didn’t know any of that in 1989. We had no idea how Troy Aikman would turn out. He was 0-11 as a starter. Jimmy was trying to decide between him and Steve Walsh. The team ended up getting worse than they were the previous year. I didn’t have much hope after the 89 season. I was expecting a lot better season. Jimmy and Jerry were looking like jokes. I started having hope in 1990 and TONS of hope in 91.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Who cares about the regular season record in a lost year? We would be free from these bad contracts. That's not living in the moment, that's getting ready for the next era.

Yeah bad contracts and poorly constructed team. I wonder who's fault that is. Instead we blame the overpaid players instead of the idiot who signed these overpaid players.

 

[Blackspider214]

They overpaid the wrong guys.

This has been going on forever now. Dallas loves their own players, to a fault. The Jones family is desperate to tell everyone they built a winning roster. We always extend our own to unwarranted extensions and ignore free agency. Dallas and Green Bay at least back when we played them in the playoffs in 2017, were at the top of the league of having the most 'homegrown' players. This isn't always a good thing if those players can't perform when it matters. Not sure where we rank now but it still has to be very high. Jones family is a sucker for their own. They think extending their own somehow proves their draft picks were correct. Doesn't work like that.

 

[fivetwos]

We didn’t know any of that in 1989. We had no idea how Troy Aikman would turn out. He was 0-11 as a starter. Jimmy was trying to decide between him and Steve Walsh. The team ended up getting worse than they were the previous year. I didn’t have much hope after the 89 season. I was expecting a lot better season. Jimmy and Jerry were looking like jokes. I started having hope in 1990 and TONS of hope in 91.

That’s fine. Doesn’t mean everyone else felt that way.

The point is about having hope. I had much more hope in an unknown Aikman and the other factors listed than I do for the next few years.

 

[Chasing6]

There’s just no oomph. No real breakout star or fun coach. No life right now. It’s jsut coming across like a really old player out franchise in upper management. And a really young over matched roster on the field.


Marist lafau? Calen Carson? Cooper beebee ? Rico doodle? Some of the young players have honestly been put in an unfair spot by having to step right in and do so much. They kind of gave these guys no shot from the beginning.

Jerry does not bring enough oomph by himself. anymore?

 

[KJJ]

That’s fine. Doesn’t mean everyone else felt that way.

The point is about having hope. I had much more hope in an unknown Aikman and the other factors listed than I do for the next few years.

I was around for that season. We didn’t have the Internet and social media so it’s hard to gauge how fans were feeling, but I’m sure most were very discouraged after the 89 season. It was a complete disaster. We traded away our best player and our QB who we gave up the first overall pick for was 0-11 and got beat up. Some in the media were calling him a bust. There really wasn’t any hope after that season. Jimmy and Jerry were receiving a lot of criticism and jokes were being made about them. Even though they got a boatload of draft picks for Herschel Walker, a lot of people didn’t like the trade. It appeared after that season that both Jimmy and Jerry were in over their heads. A college coach had never had success in the NFL. That season was a complete train wreck. There really wasn’t anything to feel encouraged about until the following year.

There was noticeable improvement in 1990. Although we only won 7 games, we could’ve won two or three other games. Aikman was starting to show great potential and Emmitt Smith, who was one of the draft picks we got for the Walker trade was looking good. I was feeling MUCH better about the team after the 1990 season. The Cowboys really started to turn the corner in 1991. They won 11 games and beat the eventual Super Bowl champions on the road. We gave Washington their first loss that season. Despite Aikman being injured, we won several games with our backup QB and even won a playoff game on the road with him. After that season, I started thinking Super Bowl. That thought never came close to crossing my mind after the 89 season.

 

[RS12]

If by juice you mean qualified people running football ops, whose job security depends on successful results, we are in complete agreement.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That boring staleness was sealed the moment Jerry offered Dak that contract.

 

[MyFairLady]

The team has repeatedly quit on the field and not shown up for games now. It is clearly broken and needs a hard reset. A young hungry staff needs to be brought in. We need to find our next Irvin. Irvin can tell the coaches who is not 100% all in and needs to go. Start from the bottom and try to build something special.

 

[links18]

Juice isn't the only thing it lacks. Brains is pretty high on the list too....

 

[Typhus]

There’s just no oomph. No real breakout star or fun coach. No life right now. It’s jsut coming across like a really old player out franchise in upper management. And a really young over matched roster on the field.


Marist lafau? Calen Carson? Cooper beebee ? Rico doodle? Some of the young players have honestly been put in an unfair spot by having to step right in and do so much. They kind of gave these guys no shot from the beginning.

So you are saying not enough umph?

 

[charron]

This has been going on forever now. Dallas loves their own players, to a fault. The Jones family is desperate to tell everyone they built a winning roster. We always extend our own to unwarranted extensions and ignore free agency. Dallas and Green Bay at least back when we played them in the playoffs in 2017, were at the top of the league of having the most 'homegrown' players. This isn't always a good thing if those players can't perform when it matters. Not sure where we rank now but it still has to be very high. Jones family is a sucker for their own. They think extending their own somehow proves their draft picks were correct. Doesn't work like that.

I think it is important to look at who's available and if you can get a similar player for 2/3 of the price you have got to consider it just so you can add more talent to try and get that divisional win. Their way of keeping the talented guy they know at all costs vs taking chances at getting multiple cheaper but similarly talented or maybe slightly less talented players has proven to be a terrible formula. Sometimes you gotta play a little money ball untill you need that 1 player that can put you over the top. Right now we need 50 players.

 

[fivetwos]

I was around for that season. We didn’t have the Internet and social media so it’s hard to gauge how fans were feeling, but I’m sure most were very discouraged after the 89 season. It was a complete disaster. We traded away our best player and our QB who we gave up the first overall pick for was 0-11 and got beat up. Some in the media were calling him a bust. There really wasn’t any hope after that season. Jimmy and Jerry were receiving a lot of criticism and jokes were being made about them. Even though they got a boatload of draft picks for Herschel Walker, a lot of people didn’t like the trade. It appeared after that season that both Jimmy and Jerry were in over their heads. A college coach had never had success in the NFL. That season was a complete train wreck. There really wasn’t anything to feel encouraged about until the following year.

There was noticeable improvement in 1990. Although we only won 7 games, we could’ve won two or three other games. Aikman was starting to show great potential and Emmitt Smith, who was one of the draft picks we got for the Walker trade was looking good. I was feeling MUCH better about the team after the 1990 season. The Cowboys really started to turn the corner in 1991. They won 11 games and beat the eventual Super Bowl champions on the road. We gave Washington their first loss that season. Despite Aikman being injured, we won several games with our backup QB and even won a playoff game on the road with him. After that season, I started thinking Super Bowl. That thought never came close to crossing my mind after the 89 season.

I can see how you felt that way being local now that you mention it.

And yes about the coverage being a very small fraction of what it is today and how peoples opinions could have been much different.

I recall seeing a news clip from a local Cowboys fan days before the Walker deal was done, but the rumors were out there. He said “that’d be about the last straw.” I also recall how unpopular Jerry and Jimmy were early on.

I became a fan as a kid almost entirely because of Coach. He was my hero. I was very high on Aikman throughout his senior year and remember him and Landry shaking hands on the field of the Cotton Bowl in 1988 figuring that’s our future. I didn’t think the 88 team was as bad as it actually was…thought we just needed a QB.

Wasn’t wild about how things went down with Coach, but I also was accepting of it, figuring that maybe new blood was necessary.

I was very high on Aikman and very high on Johnson. Not that I’m some genius, I’ve been wrong about plenty, but I had a whole lot of hope, and even more so once all the draft picks came in. Maybe not multiple SBs, but certainly an improvement from what we saw to that point since 1983.

Back to the original point…..I personally had plenty of hope at that point and don’t at all right now. I suppose we have flipped spots lol, but doesn’t make either of us right or wrong.

 

[KJJ]

I can see how you felt that way being local now that you mention it.

And yes about the coverage being a very small fraction of what it is today and how peoples opinions could have been much different.

I recall seeing a news clip from a local Cowboys fan days before the Walker deal was done, but the rumors were out there. He said “that’d be about the last straw.” I also recall how unpopular Jerry and Jimmy were early on.

I became a fan as a kid almost entirely because of Coach. He was my hero. I was very high on Aikman throughout his senior year and remember him and Landry shaking hands on the field of the Cotton Bowl in 1988 figuring that’s our future. I didn’t think the 88 team was as bad as it actually was…thought we just needed a QB.

Wasn’t wild about how things went down with Coach, but I also was accepting of it, figuring that maybe new blood was necessary.

I was very high on Aikman and very high on Johnson. Not that I’m some genius, I’ve been wrong about plenty, but I had a whole lot of hope, and even more so once all the draft picks came in. Maybe not multiple SBs, but certainly an improvement from what we saw to that point since 1983.

Back to the original point…..I personally had plenty of hope at that point and don’t at all right now. I suppose we have flipped spots lol, but doesn’t make either of us right or wrong.

I was very high on Troy Aikman, but his rookie season was concerning. Plus, I was having to listen to all the negative commentary about him and the team in 89 which can get to you as a fan. Most thought Aikman would lose his confidence. A lot of young QBs do lose their confidence after taking a beating and being on such a bad team. However, things turned out better than many ever imagined. I certainly have no hope for the current team. I started losing hope with the Cowboys years ago because they continue to spin their wheels under Jerry Jones. The Cowboys best shot of getting over the hump was the previous three seasons. Now the talent has diminished and they can’t compete against real good teams. Things are probably going to get worse before they ever get better. I’m just thankful I got to see all 5 of their Super Bowl wins. The first Cowboys game I ever watched was Super Bowl VI.