this is absolutly the most awesome awe inspiring pictue i have ever seen

[Hoofbite]

There's another argument to the Why haven't we been contacted or have contact?

First, why would a more advanced civilization even bother? You walk past a mound of ants running around, do you feel the need to interfere with them to show that you are there observing or do you just let them do their ant thing? To a more advanced civilization, we might be the equivalent of watching paint dry.

Secondarily, we've only been able to transmit or listen to radio waves for such a short period of time as compared to the age of the universe, it's almost completely insignificant. Because we communicate in radio waves, who's to say that isn't the most primitive communication device there is?

Timing in contact is everything. I'm just waiting for the next series of Martian landers to show us that life exists in our solar system outside of our little rock. If not there, then the moons of Saturn or Jupiter surely hold it.

Ideally an advance civilization would have mastered the idea we call "peace" and would want to pass that **** along.

Who knows. I think something is out there. Just too damn much space to not happen on some level.

 

[CliffnDallas]

"First, why would a more advanced civilization even bother? You walk past a mound of ants running around, do you feel the need to interfere with them to show that you are there observing or do you just let them do their ant thing? To a more advanced civilization, we might be the equivalent of watching paint dry."

When I find a ant hill in the yard I leave it be. Unless it's causing a problem. Then I exterminate it...

 

[rkell87]

Trekkie convention in this thread.

or maybe we enjoy something a little more thought provoking than R2A

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Life on other planets has probably come and gone many times before. By the time some other life form notices that we were here, we probably won't be anymore.

So, even if other lifeforms are existing right now, the chances of communication between us in a universe this large, matching up at exactly the right time in our evolution, is so slim.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Life on other planets has probably come and gone many times before. By the time some other life form notices that we were here, we probably won't be anymore.

So, even if other lifeforms are existing right now, the chances of communication between us in a universe this large, matching up at exactly the right time in our evolution, is so slim.

Not really. Best estimates say there are approximately

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars out there, or 1 trillion galaxies with about a trillion stars each.

I say the odds are very good. Maybe only a few thousand centuries off. Possibly a few hundred centuries. Problem is our life cycles are too dang short.

 

[CliffnDallas]

or maybe we enjoy something a little more thought provoking than R2A

Some people (I wont name names) Have all the inate curriosity, of a Little Debbie Snack cake.

 

[theogt]

"First, why would a more advanced civilization even bother? You walk past a mound of ants running around, do you feel the need to interfere with them to show that you are there observing or do you just let them do their ant thing? To a more advanced civilization, we might be the equivalent of watching paint dry."

When I find a ant hill in the yard I leave it be. Unless it's causing a problem. Then I exterminate it...

You don't bother the ants because they're not receptive. If you walked past a mound of ants and they were receptive to you, you're damn straight you'd stop and have a chat. There are better arguments, however, for a conscious decision not to make contact, in my opinion.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

You don't bother the ants because they're not receptive. If you walked past a mound of ants and they were receptive to you, you're damn straight you'd stop and have a chat. There are better arguments, however, for a conscious decision not to make contact, in my opinion.

Ant's aren't receptive to you because you don't command their respect.

When I walk past an ant hill, you can hear them yell "Attention on Deck" in unison from their little ant mouths.

 

[CowboyWay]

You don't bother the ants because they're not receptive. If you walked past a mound of ants and they were receptive to you, you're damn straight you'd stop and have a chat. There are better arguments, however, for a conscious decision not to make contact, in my opinion.

First, you're assuming that the human race would be receptive to another life form coming to our planet. I can guaranty you there would be far more people scared to death and ready to kill anything that tried to step foot on this planet than there would be people who would be "receptive". Imagine the religious ramifications alone. I won't go into detail what would happen there, because this post will be deleted, but you can imagine what would happen if everything billions of people had always believed in, was just proven to be untrue.

Secondly, the reasons we don't bother the ants isn't because they aren't receptive. Its because they lack the brainpower "to be" receptive. It would be the very same reason we would lack the brainpower to be receptive to anything that found us. Anything comes from 10 billion light years away to pay us a visit, is going to be incredibly more intelligent than we are.

 

[rkell87]

First, you're assuming that the human race would be receptive to another life form coming to our planet. I can guaranty you there would be far more people scared to death and ready to kill anything that tried to step foot on this planet than there would be people who would be "receptive". Imagine the religious ramifications alone. I won't go into detail what would happen there, because this post will be deleted, but you can imagine what would happen if everything billions of people had always believed in, was just proven to be untrue.

Secondly, the reasons we don't bother the ants isn't because they aren't receptive. Its because they lack the brainpower "to be" receptive. It would be the very same reason we would lack the brainpower to be receptive to anything that found us. Anything comes from 10 billion light years away to pay us a visit, is going to be incredibly more intelligent than we are.

not to get in a religous discussion but there is nothing(that i know of) in the holy book that says we are alone in the universe.

 

[theogt]

First, you're assuming that the human race would be receptive to another life form coming to our planet. I can guaranty you there would be far more people scared to death and ready to kill anything that tried to step foot on this planet than there would be people who would be "receptive". Imagine the religious ramifications alone. I won't go into detail what would happen there, because this post will be deleted, but you can imagine what would happen if everything billions of people had always believed in, was just proven to be untrue.

Secondly, the reasons we don't bother the ants isn't because they aren't receptive. Its because they lack the brainpower "to be" receptive. It would be the very same reason we would lack the brainpower to be receptive to anything that found us. Anything comes from 10 billion light years away to pay us a visit, is going to be incredibly more intelligent than we are.

By receptive I mean able and willing to communicate. Ants aren't. We are. The analogy is useless.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

or maybe we enjoy something a little more thought provoking than R2A

WHOA calm down trekkie.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ant's aren't receptive to you because you don't command their respect.

When I walk past an ant hill, you can hear them yell "Attention on Deck" in unison from their little ant mouths.

:laugh2:

 

[SaltwaterServr]

By receptive I mean able and willing to communicate. Ants aren't. We are. The analogy is useless.

The analogy is apt. You assume we'll be able to understand their communicative processso es and be able to respond in kind. We know and understand the communicative processes of bees and ants.

So we've got an advanced being that has worked out the ability to get around the speed of light issue or has such a long lifespan that it can make the journey from a distant star system and return in its lifetime. Now you are also operating under the assumption of similar communicative rates. What if the same verbal sentence for us that takes seconds is an electronic dermal display that takes hours or days for our visitor? How long does it take us to understand the syntax of static electricity displayed in such a manner? Why would an organism that saw us not displaying any of its communicative properties bother with trying to communicate with a species that it might not want to interfere with its cumulative conscious evolution?

There is a huge religious discussion here as well, but I ain't going to touch it.

 

[theogt]

The analogy is apt. You assume we'll be able to understand their communicative processso es and be able to respond in kind. We know and understand the communicative processes of bees and ants.

So we've got an advanced being that has worked out the ability to get around the speed of light issue or has such a long lifespan that it can make the journey from a distant star system and return in its lifetime. Now you are also operating under the assumption of similar communicative rates. What if the same verbal sentence for us that takes seconds is an electronic dermal display that takes hours or days for our visitor? How long does it take us to understand the syntax of static electricity displayed in such a manner? Why would an organism that saw us not displaying any of its communicative properties bother with trying to communicate with a species that it might not want to interfere with its cumulative conscious evolution?

There is a huge religious discussion here as well, but I ain't going to touch it.

Yes, I assume that one group as technologically advanced as ours and another group technologically advanced to the point of being able to travel through space in such a manner would be to communicate.

Seems a pretty simple assumption. Pretty far cry from ants. This is getting a bit silly.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, I assume that one group as technologically advanced as ours and another group technologically advanced to the point of being able to travel through space in such a manner would be to communicate.

Seems a pretty simple assumption. Pretty far cry from ants. This is getting a bit silly.

Why you have to be racist about it?

 

[ethiostar]

Why you have to be racist about it?

Actually, that would be speciesism.

 

[theogt]

Why you have to be racist about it?

No one's perfect.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually, that would be speciesism.

Oh, you want to get literal. Well let's get literal.

 

[rkell87]

WHOA calm down trekkie.

lol ive seen the new star trek movie and thats about it