This is why I couldn't stand Wade Phillips, but I loved him at the same time

[erod]

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“I was a lousy head coach, but I am a pretty good defensive coordinator,” Phillips said, via Troy Renck of the Denver Post.

Fantastic guy. Very solid defensive coordinator. Terrible head coach.

Some people aren't leaders of men, and that's perfectly OK. Not everybody is meant to lead, and an organization would fall to pieces if it had 50 CEOs. Most of us aren't built to run the whole tamale.

Jason Garett is a better head coach than he is a coordinator. Same for Jimmy Johnson and others.

But there is always a place for the Wades, Rod Marinellis, Scott Linehans, and Dick LeBeaus in football.

And to Wade's credit, he knows that and is fine with it. Good for him.

 

[Frozen700]

At least he admits it.

 

[Doomsday101]

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Fantastic guy. Very solid defensive coordinator. Terrible head coach.

Some people aren't leaders of men, and that's perfectly OK. Not everybody is meant to lead, and an organization would fall to pieces if it had 50 CEOs. Most of us aren't built to run the whole tamale.

Jason Garett is a better head coach than he is a coordinator. Same for Jimmy Johnson and others.

But there is always a place for the Wades, Rod Marinellis, Scott Linehans, and Dick LeBeaus in football.

And to Wade's credit, he knows that and is fine with it. Good for him.

I have always like Wade, he has been and is a good DC, When he has had the chance to be HC he has treated his players like men but all to often the players do not act like men. Face it guys are paid big bucks you should not have to ride them about watching film, getting in the work out you need, being on time and putting in max effort.

 

[Frozen700]

I have always like Wade, he has been and is a good DC, When he has had the chance to be HC he has treated his players like men but all to often the players do not act like men. Face it guys are paid big bucks you should not have to ride them about watching film, getting in the work out you need, being on time and putting in max effort.

That too.

When you have a team full of undisciplined bums. You can't really fault a guy for that.

 

[Doomsday101]

That too.

When you have a team full of undisciplined bums. You can't really fault a guy for that.

I don't think a HC in the NFL should have to get guys to focus and to work hard hell they are paid big money to essentially play a game. However the reality is different, some guys do have to be as Jimmy would say kicked in the back-side to get them motivated while others you have to deal with a bit different to get the most out of them.

Guys who played for Wade liked Wade he is a good guy but when it came to getting players to produce at a high level Wade just never has been able to push that button on a player

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think he was a lousy head coach as his record shows differently. Dave Campo was a lousy head coach. Chan Gailey was a lousy head coach. Rich Kotite was a lousy head coach. Scott Linehan was a lousy head coach.

Wade is an excellent X's and O's guy, but developing players was not his strongsuit. That's why he makes a really good D-Coordinator and has success early on as a HC but struggles later on.

What I've never forgiven Wade for was his major weakness is he wasn't good at motivating players because no player ever feared him if they acted up. That was until 2009 when he changed his tune.

The result? Going 11-5 and winning his first playoff game of his entire HC career.

But after that he went back to his old ways and we got what we got in 2010.

I understand that old habits are hard to break. But, when trying something different and it works for you better than it ever has and you're the HC of the most prestigious franchise in the NFL....for you to revert back to your old habits just shows you're either dumb, lazy or careless or all of the above. He may be a great guy outside of the football field, but I can't ever forgive that as a coach.






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[Toruk_Makto]

We know Wade. We know.

 

[DenCWBY]

I have always like Wade, he has been and is a good DC, When he has had the chance to be HC he has treated his players like men but all to often the players do not act like men. Face it guys are paid big bucks you should not have to ride them about watching film, getting in the work out you need, being on time and putting in max effort.

But isn't that what a good HC does? Molding players into great players who work together as a team? Building a team that develops a chemistry that they will not let their teammates down? It's a tough task.
To start these players have had all the attention/protection in the world building up throughout their athletic lives. Bursting into the NFL with confidence, they finally get the coin to go with the ego and think they are invincible. A recipe for disaster for some players to handle especially when some head coaches have little or no power to delegate a great deal of authority. Players don't have to answer directly to some head coaches and answer to their agents, GM, their position coach, the owner and a few of the other veteran players. Some head coaches are sitting ducks depending on the organization and the nature of the head coach himself.

 

[pancakeman]

I don't think a HC in the NFL should have to get guys to focus and to work hard hell they are paid big money to essentially play a game.

I dunno, by the same token getting guys to work hard is what head coaches are paid big money to do!

 

[Doomsday101]

But isn't that what a good HC does? Molding players into great players who work together as a team? Building a team that develops a chemistry that they will not let their teammates down? It's a tough task.
To start these players have had all the attention/protection in the world building up throughout their athletic lives. Bursting into the NFL with confidence, they finally get the coin to go with the ego and think they are invincible. A recipe for disaster for some players to handle especially when some head coaches have little or no power to delegate a great deal of authority. Players don't have to answer directly to some head coaches and answer to their agents, GM, their position coach, the owner and a few of the other veteran players. Some head coaches are sitting ducks depending on the organization and the nature of the head coach himself.

Reality is yes you are 100% right in my view, it should not have to be that way, if I'm paying you a 4 year 40 mill dollar contract I should not have to beat you over the head to get you to do the job I hired you to do. lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wade always struck me as a very good 'good cop' but very poor in playing the 'bad cop.' You have to have the carrot and the stick and his stick was a whiffle ball bat.

 

[Doomsday101]

I dunno, by the same token getting guys to work hard is what head coaches are paid big money to do!

Yes but as I just mentioned that is pretty sad if I have to pay you millions and then have to motivate you to do your job? hell is that what the millions was for? is that not enough motivation and incentive to do your job. As a HC they should be there spending time teaching the system and presenting the game plan to the player so they can know it under stand it and execute it. For some player they do exactly that you don't need to motivate them, you don't need to hold their hands to get them to do the job. Others clearly you do

 

[Doomsday101]

Wade always struck me as a very good 'good cop' but very poor in playing the 'bad cop.' You have to have the carrot and the stick and his stick was a whiffle ball bat.

The carrot is the money? That is what they moan and cry about the money. Thankfully this current team does have many guys on it who do not need to be baby sited to do their jobs. OL took on themselves to get together and go over tape to help each other out. Romo, Witten, Dez and Murray go about their business open to coaching but putting in the extra time on their own.
On the other hand you have a guy like Carter who is very athletic but was benched for the 1st time in his career at any level because of his lack of preparedness which showed up on game day

 

[kevm3]

Yes but as I just mentioned that is pretty sad if I have to pay you millions and then have to motivate you to do your job? hell is that what the millions was for? is that not enough motivation and incentive to do your job. As a HC they should be there spending time teaching the system and presenting the game plan to the player so they can know it under stand it and execute it. For some player they do exactly that you don't need to motivate them, you don't need to hold their hands to get them to do the job. Others clearly you do

That's part of the coaching job. If players could completely motivate themselves to the fullest and gameplan, coaching would be a 100k job. Head coaches imprint their personality on the team. Under Garrett, we saw that the players never quit, which is somethng they did under Wade. Wade is simply a better technician than a head coach, and sometimes we all have to be honest about ourselves to put ourselves in the best position. Garrett is a better head coach than a technician, and we improved greatly once he put the /coordinate hats down and was allowed to focus just on head coaching.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The carrot is the money? That is what they moan and cry about the money. Thankfully this current team does have many guys on it who do not need to be baby sited to do their jobs. OL took on themselves to get together and go over tape to help each other out. Romo, Witten, Dez and Murray go about their business open to coaching but putting in the extra time on their own.
On the other hand you have a guy like Carter who is very athletic but was benched for the 1st time in his career at any level because of his lack of preparedness which showed up on game day

Nah the carrot is the "we're not a football team but a family," team BBQs, soft practices, assurances in role for veterans, etc. the guys loved him.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's part of the coaching job. If players could completely motivate themselves to the fullest and gameplan, coaching would be a 100k job. Head coaches imprint their personality on the team. Under Garrett, we saw that the players never quit, which is somethng they did under Wade. Wade is simply a better technician than a head coach, and sometimes we all have to be honest about ourselves to put ourselves in the best position. Garrett is a better head coach than a technician, and we improved greatly once he put the /coordinate hats down and was allowed to focus just on head coaching.

Yet coach Landry did not believe in motivation. I think getting guys to understand is important I don't think all guys need motivation they carry themselves as professional and take on themselves to go out and do the job they have been paid to do. You think Roger Staubach needed coach Landry to motivate him? or Jimmy to motivate Troy Aikman? these guys too the job seriously they acted as professionals as do many. Others on the other hand need constant supervisions they do not know what being a professional is.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nah the carrot is the "we're not a football team but a family," team BBQs, soft practices, assurances in role for veterans, etc. the guys loved him.

Wade treated players like men and what he got was many who acted like little kids and quitters. Yes it was up to Wade to put and end to that and he didn't which cost him but I think it is a damn shame when highly paid pros can't wrap their heads around the fact that we pay you to do a job, not for your lip not for your opinion but to do the job and all it entails.

 

[DenCWBY]

Reality is yes you are 100% right in my view, it should not have to be that way, if I'm paying you a 4 year 40 mill dollar contract I should not have to beat you over the head to get you to do the job I hired you to do. lol

Amen!!

 

[Alexander]

That self deprecation is why I never respected him as a head coach. Too bad because the man knows defense inside and out, no question.

 

[Stash]

Another in a long list of great coordinators and bad head coaches. But at least he realizes it now. I bet Norv still wants a head coaching gig.