This is why I couldn't stand Wade Phillips, but I loved him at the same time

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Yeah, I think he was saying it full of sarcasm. He's constantly pointing to his record as head coach looking for another gig.

He's a weak minded excuse maker who could never take over a reclamation project and build a contender. It just won't happen.

tell em how you really feel!

 

[tyke1doe]

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Fantastic guy. Very solid defensive coordinator. Terrible head coach.

Some people aren't leaders of men, and that's perfectly OK. Not everybody is meant to lead, and an organization would fall to pieces if it had 50 CEOs. Most of us aren't built to run the whole tamale.

Jason Garett is a better head coach than he is a coordinator. Same for Jimmy Johnson and others.

But there is always a place for the Wades, Rod Marinellis, Scott Linehans, and Dick LeBeaus in football.

And to Wade's credit, he knows that and is fine with it. Good for him.

Good post. Why we criticize people because they're not the head dog is puzzling. Everyone can't be a leader. Some people are followers. But that's okay because a leader is only as good as the people who follow him.

 

[Risen Star]

For as lousy as he was....he did coach us to 13-3.

Timing is everything. He took over a team primed for success and left it much worse off.

The owner deserves the most blame for that. You know what you're getting when you hire Wade Phillips.

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree. Landry recognized his strong suit was not motivation, but he still believed in it.. He therefore brought in assistants that could handle those aspects. Guys like Ernie Stautner who could be loud, boisterous and in your face to motivate the players.

I don't believe in team motivation. I believe in getting a team prepared so it knows it will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.
Tom Landry

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/tomlandry154667.html#6ABOMogGYRKJkPGg.99

 

[Doomsday101]

...And then they quit on him...By the way, TO, is that you?

Yes they did quit on him and they quit on themselves. I'm not say Wade should not have done something, he should have. My issue is I think is ashamed that a team has to pay a player millions and then has to motivate him to play hard and to give his all? At 3 mill a year would you give me your all? or 5 mill, 6 mill? how many million will it take to get some guys to go out and play to their ability? I know there are some players who will bust their butts for a less than a mill

 

[Doomsday101]

Landry had the fear of God in his players. Whether or not he called it motivation or whatever, he had himself a big ole stick. Randy White and Bob Lilly were made uneasy by him and those two guys are tough as nails.

True, Landry would cut a guy or bench a guy and back then many players took jobs after the season because they were not being paid near what todays players get.

 

[erod]

For as lousy as he was....he did coach us to 13-3.

And Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.

 

[Doomsday101]

And Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.

Was never a big Switzer fan mainly because I grew up a Longhorns fan but to his credit he did win 3 national championships and a SB so he was doing something right.

 

[links18]

Was never a big Switzer fan mainly because I grew up a Longhorns fan but to his credit he did win 3 national championships and a SB so he was doing something right.

I actually like Switzer for some reason, but he was a poor fit for the team, but then again who could have stepped into situation and not been worse than Jimmy?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

thanks Wade, for the 3 years of wasted fandom in my life, not to mention a portion of Romo, Witten, Ware, etc careers.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

For as lousy as he was....he did coach us to 13-3.

Yep.
It was mostly his coaching decisions that got is 13 wins.... A bye(playoff win)... Lol


Seriously, he should have never taken the job if he thinks that/thought that.

 

[popp1234]

Yes they did quit on him and they quit on themselves. I'm not say Wade should not have done something, he should have. My issue is I think is ashamed that a team has to pay a player millions and then has to motivate him to play hard and to give his all? At 3 mill a year would you give me your all? or 5 mill, 6 mill? how many million will it take to get some guys to go out and play to their ability? I know there are some players who will bust their butts for a less than a mill

I understand and I agree. Me? I would play hard because it's my damn job to do so. Relatively speaking, I would do my job to the fullest if I were getting paid minimum wage or six figures a year.....it's my job, that's what I was hired to do. Period!

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand and I agree. Me? I would play hard because it's my damn job to do so. Relatively speaking, I would do my job to the fullest if I were getting paid minimum wage or six figures a year.....it's my job, that's what I was hired to do. Period!

Yep same here, when it came to playing ball be it football, baseball or track. No one had to tell me to hustle to play hard I loved it and would do all I could to improve. In football every year from Jr. High to college I never started the season as a starter the guy in front of me was always a bit bigger or stronger or faster but by the 2nd week of the season I started every game because I would do anything asked of me by the coach no questions asked, every play I gave 100% because I knew I was not good enough to relax. My will and determination was my one big edge over others

 

[TwoDeep3]

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Fantastic guy. Very solid defensive coordinator. Terrible head coach.

Some people aren't leaders of men, and that's perfectly OK. Not everybody is meant to lead, and an organization would fall to pieces if it had 50 CEOs. Most of us aren't built to run the whole tamale.

Jason Garett is a better head coach than he is a coordinator. Same for Jimmy Johnson and others.

But there is always a place for the Wades, Rod Marinellis, Scott Linehans, and Dick LeBeaus in football.

And to Wade's credit, he knows that and is fine with it. Good for him.

So how does he lead a defense if he is not a leader of men?

 

[Doomsday101]

So how does he lead a defense if he is not a leader of men?

Because as DC while you are leading a unit the HC is the final word on all matters, if a player is not getting it done he has more to worry about with the HC than the coordinator.

 

[popp1234]

Yep same here, when it came to playing ball be it football, baseball or track. No one had to tell me to hustle to play hard I loved it and would do all I could to improve. In football every year from Jr. High to college I never started the season as a starter the guy in front of me was always a bit bigger or stronger or faster but by the 2nd week of the season I started every game because I would do anything asked of me by the coach no questions asked, every play I gave 100% because I knew I was not good enough to relax. My will and determination was my one big edge over others

Yep, I'd like to refer you to my title, sir! This is exactly what it means.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Because as DC while you are leading a unit the HC is the final word on all matters, if a player is not getting it done he has more to worry about with the HC than the coordinator.

While you are LEADING a unit...

Is said unit filled with men?

Is Wade actually leading the unit?

Does he hold those men accountable and make decisions and recommendations on their status with the unit?

Do they play for him, who is not their immediate supervisor, but the manager of all the supervisors of that side of the ball?

Does Phillips create a defensive game plan, and assign tasks and grade out the players as to their execution of that game plan after the game?

I challenge your one-size-fits-all assertion the DC doesn't have the ability to move players from starters to back-ups depending on their success.

I have no issue with Phillips not being a man who was a successful head coach. But I also see him posting 13 wins in a season as that head coach. And if Jesse Holley is to be believed, I see Garrett scuttling the offense to get the head coach job. Which I have no issue with if Phillips was not aware enough to hold Garrett accountable.

Although, to be fair, when Jerry essentially names Garrett the co-head coach and created a house divided by allowing Garrett autonomy, Wade was on the way out at that point and all the leader of men arguments went with it.

 

[Doomsday101]

While you are LEADING a unit...

Is said unit filled with men?

Is Wade actually leading the unit?

Does he hold those men accountable and make decisions and recommendations on their status with the unit?

Do they play for him, who is not their immediate supervisor, but the manager of all the supervisors of that side of the ball?

Does Phillips create a defensive game plan, and assign tasks and grade out the players as to their execution of that game plan after the game?

I challenge your one-size-fits-all assertion the DC doesn't have the ability to move players from starters to back-ups depending on their success.

I have no issue with Phillips not being a man who was a successful head coach. But I also see him posting 13 wins in a season as that head coach. And if Jesse Holley is to be believed, I see Garrett scuttling the offense to get the head coach job. Which I have no issue with if Phillips was not aware enough to hold Garrett accountable.

Although, to be fair, when Jerry essentially names Garrett the co-head coach and created a house divided by allowing Garrett autonomy, Wade was on the way out at that point and all the leader of men arguments went with it.

all of that is true and to say he has no leadership skills would not be completely true but again as a DC he is not the HC the HC cuts guys the HC is the final word on all that will happen with a player not the DC not the OC.

As for Jason having Co powers that is not true, Jerry had told Wade that as HC he had the ability to over ride any thing taking place on the field. This comment was made following a loss to the skins when right before halftime a play came in to throw the short out instead of running out the clock to get to half time the pass was picked off and returned for a TD. As HC he has the say no one else if he does not like what is taking place it is on him to deal with it, if a player is not getting it done offense, defense or special teams it is the HC who must deal with it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yep.
It was mostly his coaching decisions that got is 13 wins.... A bye(playoff win)... Lol


Seriously, he should have never taken the job if he thinks that/thought that.

It wasn't his coaching decisions but coming off of Bill Parcells to a more player friendly coach in Wade did help us go 13-3. The honeymoon is always over when you have player friendly coaches like that sooner rather than later but i'm not going to not give him any credit at all. His defense was a large part of that 13-3. The offense was the better unit but having a terrible defense would've eliminated a few of those wins.

And Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.

With Jimmy's team.

Timing is everything. He took over a team primed for success and left it much worse off.

The owner deserves the most blame for that. You know what you're getting when you hire Wade Phillips.

I don't know if it was "primed for success". Wade took this defense to another level that Parcells and co. couldn't do.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It wasn't his coaching decisions but coming off of Bill Parcells to a more player friendly coach in Wade did help us go 13-3. The honeymoon is always over when you have player friendly coaches like that sooner rather than later but i'm not going to not give him any credit at all. His defense was a large part of that 13-3. The offense was the better unit but having a terrible defense would've eliminated a few of those wins.



With Jimmy's team.



I don't know if it was "primed for success". Wade took this defense to another level that Parcells and co. couldn't do.

Parcells and Wade BOTH left deep playoff runs on the table. Probably twice each!