This story seems to be underreported?

[visionary]

This is too funny.

Want to know what really happened?

Seems that Ciskowski's scouts were scouting for Ryan's defense and did not adjust to the new scheme. So Ciskowski is yelling to stick with your board and Marinelli hated Floyd.

As much of a perfectionist as Garrett is he looked mad because of the scouts screw up.

i know, this makes perfect sense BZ

here is what is what i think the cowboys should have done to avoid this last minute confusion in the war room:

1) the cowboys should have made it official that they fired ryan months ago

2) they should have had a press conference about the new defensive coaching staff

3) perhaps someone should have called or emailed the scouts

 

[Future]

My gosh-it's like it's the first time there has ever been a disagreement over a draft pick between NFL people.

Talk about overblown.

Seriously.

I'd bet that this kind of thing happens all the time in war rooms. I find it hard to believe that every coach in the league gets every player he wants.

 

[mmillman]

Seriously.

I'd bet that this kind of thing happens all the time in war rooms. I find it hard to believe that every coach in the league gets every player he wants.

I don't believe that it does. Most teams the owner and his son aren't making picks. They are letting the football people do that.

Secondly, I didn't see the warroom video and I can't find that anywhere. If it has been taken down is that normal or is it in order so guys like me cannot see the dysfunction?

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I don't know why some people follow the Cowboys or claim to be fans. Tired of folks jumping to the worst possible conclusion.

 

[morasp]

I was wondering if salary cap considerations may have played a role. Jerry went on in detail in his press conference how a lot of things we don't see have to factor into a draft pick. One of the main ones was managing salary cap. While they are probably sensitive to it, a coach and a scout probably aren't involved in those things in as much detail as the GM.

Last year we used two picks on one guy. This year we used one pick on two guys. A lot of opinions say those two guys could be quality starters for us. If we only get two starters out of this whole draft it will increase our average.

 

[Future]

I don't believe that it does. Most teams the owner and his son aren't making picks. They are letting the football people do that.

Secondly, I didn't see the warroom video and I can't find that anywhere. If it has been taken down is that normal or is it in order so guys like me cannot see the dysfunction?

I understand its different b/c of Jerry and his son, I just mean the dynamic between a coach and the GM. I'm sure there are disagreements all the time, regardless of whether a GM is a "football guy" or not.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Secondly, I didn't see the warroom video and I can't find that anywhere. If it has been taken down is that normal or is it in order so guys like me cannot see the dysfunction?

I think it was just live streaming video.

The only chance to see it afterward is if someone recorded it and uploaded it.

I will say this. Whether people liked, loved, disliked or hated the first pick. No matter if someone is accused of being a homer or hater with Jerry and this team...There WAS some very upset people in that war room during the trade down. To the point that Jason look dejected. Jerry and Stephen left the room for a good amount of time and when they came back Stephen and Tom C was having a VERY animated conversation and you could see Stephen trying emphatically to list off points of his arguments.

So take it how you want. This incident was not something made up by those that just don't like Jerry. There was a situation that did not make the HC and the Head Scout happy.

 

[TheCount]

It was blatantly clear that Jerry overruled both his head scout and head coach to trade down and again to make the pick.

 

[dogberry]

The GM understood that his new defensive coordinator wanted DLs that attacked gaps not defended them. I see Floyd as the Siegfried Line not a Panzer Division. Kif wants Panzers.

 

[burmafrd]

Some people have "other plans" for the team roster, that doesn't mean it would be successful.

Laughable is more like it.


Whether you like it or not they spent money on the OLine already.

They've addressed OL with a 1st Round Center and a top 10 OT in 2 or the last three Draft ..but complainers ignore the 2 out of 3 1st round choices (in 2011 & 2013) completely.


Stop and look around at the successful and most productive Offenses in the League, Cinnci just got another TE in the 2013 Draft to pair with Gresham, New Orleans with Jimmy Graham and a group of Wideouts, Seattle went and got Percey Harvin, Hotlanta with Gonzo, Julio Jones and Roddy White, New England has Gonzales and Gronkowski but just signed Amendola then Drafted WRs, Washington building around RG3 with Offensive Playmakers, while Denver added Welker, and the list goes on.

look around and most of the best offenses have a lot better O line. Don't know what team you were watching last year but it was not the Boys.

 

[Macnalty]

Love the Siegfried line analogy.
I agree completely the room flipped attitude after that event in the War Rm, and Jason looked insecure along with Tom C until the next day IMO. In my mind people were put in places by the Jones clan and there was not going to be a debate about who was in charge. Made me glad not to be in the room, no give and take happening IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

I agree that anyone thinking that Jerruh is not the straw that stirs the drink is either a fool or completely oblivious to reality.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So does anyone have anything other than facial expressions to base these claims on?

For all we know they wanted Eifert or any other possibility. At best you could say they were unhappy but I find it specious there is no corroborating video to go by. As to what they were unhappy about claiming that there is 'no doubt' is baseless.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I saw the whole thing as it happened on the War Room Cam. It showed Jason had no say in the pick(s) and he and Tom were dumfounded, with Tom and Stephen having words. For awhile afterwards things were very quite with Jerry and Stephen acting like they knew they pi**ed them off. I was expecting more of the same when the 2nd pick was made but Jason and Tom were involved with all the high fiving. I got the idea, maybe wrong, that the two decided it best to join in, than get fired.

I realized more this day that Jason had no say, none, in the picks. Jerry and Stephen very seldom talked with Jason and then it just seemed to be like Jerry was trying to make Jason feel like he belonged. Really eye opening.

I also realized that even after Jerry is gone that Stephen will be as bad if not worse. I got the feeling this, especially the first two picks, was Stephen
more than Jerry.

I saw the same exchange and it appeared Stephen Jones was running the show.

 

[Risen Star]

Kiper and McShay both had Frederick #1. Kiper had Schwenke #3 at 8.1 while Frederick and Jones were both 8.5.

No one has any proof that they were even discussing Floyd; they could have been afraid of moving all the way down to 31 and losing the final OL they really wanted. They may have been angry that Jerry didn't get more from SF.

We also have no idea what Jerry and Steven may have promised Tony Romo regarding the line in getting his contract signed.

It's time to drop all of this nonsense. The draft is over, and our players will prove this to have been a good draft or a poor one.

It's foolish to think the head of scouting would be against a trade down. Every head of scouting in the league had players scouted and rated...didn't every team that ever made a trade down for more picks bypass the scouts' higher rated players in order to move down for more picks? His job is to help put the board together, not run the draft or make decisions about who is selected when.

The only reason Cis has to be angry is if we take a much lower rated player....we didn't. We made a trade. To me, the same holds true for JG. He has a say in who gets selected, but he doesn't get to make decisions about trades for additional picks. Final decisions are usually made by the GM.

Anyone who hates Jerry as GM has an argument; however, this little firestorm is just stupid. This is how it's done in most war rooms.

Frederick was the top C. I don't know what the dude is talking about. Now there could have been teams who had Jones or Schwenke higher, but all the information we're privy to had Frederick the clear cut best C prospect in this draft.

I didn't watch every moment of the war room cam but I did look at it when people were claiming Garrett was mad. I didn't see it. He looked his usual reserved self to me.

The fact that Jerry may have overruled the head coach on a pick is a non story to me. That's what GMs do. That's the power they hold. That's why they're pretty important.

 

[kirkjrk]

It was blatantly clear that Jerry overruled both his head scout and head coach to trade down and again to make the pick.

Do you think it was more Jerry or Stephen? I almost think it was more Stephen.

 

[kirkjrk]

The GM understood that his new defensive coordinator wanted DLs that attacked gaps not defended them. I see Floyd as the Siegfried Line not a Panzer Division. Kif wants Panzers.

He got neither because of Jerry and Stephens incompetence.