This team drafted like a team that loves Dak, CeeDee and Zeke

[InPhiltraitor]

That is why I am not excited yet about getting FA, drafting or Overshown coming back at LB. If we don't add some DT's, they are screwed and will still be making tackles 5 yards down the field.

I was wanting RB at 87, but if not, I was thinking along your lines and wouldn't have been upset with McKinnley Jackson.

 

[jterrell]

Hard to tell with draft smoke-screen talk and add in a touch of Jones and it makes reading the tea leaves just as difficult as trying to discern what Jerry's scribbling on those note pads when he should be paying attention.

Agreed and it is definitely tea-leaf reading.
But Dallas has never went as hard after a guy publicly as they did Brooks.
This wasn't back house leaks this was front of camera.
And the leak started to Jane who is the biggest UT homer in media.
You know she told literally everyone.

Dallas did that knowing they only had pick 56 and had zero interest in trading up (also something Stephen said; they wanted the extra pick and would move down again if things fell properly but not up).

Dallas draft strategy is pretty clear and SJ reiterated it post round 1.
They wanted to pick up a 4th at least. When they fell from 24 there were 4 guys they liked and 5 picks left.
They got Guyton who was one of those 4. Sounded like the last of the 4 but he wouldn't name names or clarify.

So you need a guy to get passed over 55 times are you really as in love with him as Jerry sounded???

Anyways it wasn't that big a deal. Dallas wasn't getting Brooks at 56. And they didn't touch RB at all through 3 rounds knowing they don't have a 4th.

 

[jterrell]

I'm a Mavericks fan dude I just watched the last game I get it they're playing better defense they didn't get those guys and that didn't start till like the last 15 games of the season but they got their butts handed to them do you not understand you can't compare basketball or the other sports that have a series to one and transport with the Super short season you just can't make a comparison what The Mavericks just literally got their butts kicked in game one if that was football it would have been over I'm saying they came just as unprepared and uninspired in game one is the Dallas Cowboys did in the Green Bay game that's what game one of The Mavericks look like are you saying you didn't watch that game they couldn't shoot they didn't play defense they didn't look like they had any energy... I mean you're not getting my point the other sports that have like 100 games and they have a five to seven game series it's much different then NFL you can't compare most any sport to the NFL because of its short physical season very long off season and one and done in the playoffs it's no comparison because if that was the same the stars in Mavericks would have already been out of the playoffs they did not show up in their first games..

That's all I'm saying you shouldn't have led with The Mavericks which just talk about the Cowboys I mean why do you need to bring the NBA into it it has nothing to do with football... I say let's discuss football on its own merit not comparing it to something that doesn't have anything to do with each other the sports are completely different.. I mean they got a second chance and yes The Mavericks turned it around but if they didn't get that second chance they'd be done the way they showed up it's the same unprepared uninspired thing we saw from our football team game one looked like trash for The Mavericks did you not watch that game you trying to forget that game??

good grief my man, let it go.
The Mavs traded for Gafford and PJ for a very specific reason.
IF you actually watch the games then you know it has completely remade how the team plays.
They win with defense and rebounding and dunks.
They lose the 3-point battle nightly and still win, many nights easily.

You can literally ask Alexa/Siri and she will detail how this has impacted the Mavs.
They had the 3rd best record in basketball post trade have yes lost the first 2 quarters handily versus the Clips but have stomped on their throats since to take home court advantage with game 4 in Dallas. The Clips are scoring 91.5 points per game the last 2.

And yes, in all contact sports physicality matters and can very much be compared.
It is OK however if you don't like the comparison.

 

[blueblood70]

good grief my man, let it go.
The Mavs traded for Gafford and PJ for a very specific reason.
IF you actually watch the games then you know it has completely remade how the team plays.
They win with defense and rebounding and dunks.
They lose the 3-point battle nightly and still win, many nights easily.

You can literally ask Alexa/Siri and she will detail how this has impacted the Mavs.
They had the 3rd best record in basketball post trade have yes lost the first 2 quarters handily versus the Clips but have stomped on their throats since to take home court advantage with game 4 in Dallas. The Clips are scoring 91.5 points per game the last 2.

And yes, in all contact sports physicality matters and can very much be compared.
It is OK however if you don't like the comparison.

Got man to you absolute Ditto stop bringing the NBA or the NHL or something that's not relative to football I said that the mems with these same guys got their butts kicked in game one if that's not a fact I don't know how to else to explain it to you you should have never used the NBA as an example so there there you go I'm gonna keep saying it I'm not letting it go yes their team is improved they play better defense they got it turned around but that doesn't take away from the fact that if there was a one and done situation like football both The Mavericks and stars were already be sitting at home... They got a second chance you can't do that in football so you brought this ridiculous analogy up and it's not landing with me and I'm gonna keep saying it's a good God man I don't use Siri for my information I use my eyes and my ears..

 

[FanofJerry]

Jimmy back at the table?

 

[InPhiltraitor]

Anyways it wasn't that big a deal. Dallas wasn't getting Brooks at 56. And they didn't touch RB at all through 3 rounds knowing they don't have a 4th.

Does your last sentence scare you, or anyone else for that matter? "Knowing they don't have a 4th", which means if the status quo holds, you have to wait through 73 more selections until you even have an opportunity to draft a RB. Unless I missed something, our first up is Rico Dowdle. I would have been more comfortable drafting a guy to be the primary rock-totter, not just a complimentary piece to the juggernaut that is...Dowdle. My fear is us being the RB needy equivalent to the quarterbackless Raiders, sitting at the table holding our junk with limited to no options. Can't even watch, I'm going to the driving range.

 

[jterrell]

Well skills players don't perform well with out the trenches being take care of. An OLineman does not need a good RB for him to be successful at his position. However, an RB is dependent on a good OLine.

That is why I am not excited yet about getting FA, drafting or Overshown coming back at LB. If we don't add some DT's, they are screwed and will still be making tackles 5 yards down the field.

True and the point I appear to have made badly here is two-fold.

1. Both Mavs and Cowboys were known as finesse teams and that wasn't working. Beautiful when it worked but it came up short a lot when it mattered like the playoffs.
2. Cowboys didn't draft like a team looking to replace highly paid skill guys instead a team relying on them they add physicality around them as the Mavs did around Luka/Kyrie.

 

[Sheepherder]

Is there any interested in taking a shot at a quarterback in here? Count me in

 

[blueblood70]

Does your last sentence scare you, or anyone else for that matter? "Knowing they don't have a 4th", which means if the status quo holds, you have to wait through 73 more selections until you even have an opportunity to draft a RB. Unless I missed something, our first up is Rico Dowdle. I would have been more comfortable drafting a guy to be the primary rock-totter, not just a complimentary piece to the juggernaut that is...Dowdle. My fear is us being the RB needy equivalent to the quarterbackless Raiders, sitting at the table holding our junk with limited to no options. Can't even watch, I'm going to the driving range.

Yeah, but there are three highly rated running back still left for today if one of them is there for the Cowboys, they could take him in the fifth round you know like that team over there winning all those Super Bowls with a seventh round running back I mean... TD ?? broncos in the 1995 6th rounder..hmmm

 

[FanofJerry]

The Dallas Mavericks snake bit themselves by letting themselves be blinded by stats. As Wizardly as Luka is(best offensive player Ive ever seen)...you cant win Playoff basketball games with a Heliocentric Offense. You can...but you have to acquire the right players. The Mavericks were blinded by numbers...they put 3point shooters that cant play defense around Luka....and they stuck with the numbers way too long using Dwight Powel because of his elite roll game....but he sucks at defense.

The Mavericks rosters from 2018-2022 were riddled with guys that had major fundamental flaws to their games(cant catch a pass, cant dribble, cant play defense, just bad over all feel for the game)...and were merely elite shooting stat role players put around Luka....and it failed miserably. Numbers dont always win. The eye test won in regards to the Mavs current situation. They started acquiring guys that actually looked like basketball players on both sides of the court...not just 3 point specialists. Mavs also move the ball around more instead of Luka massaging the defense for 20 seconds.

Mavs are in a good spot right now. Abandon the Heliocentric offense, get basketball players around Luka...not specialist role players for a system built around one player...skies the limit.

I think the Mavs recent turnaround is a massive massive blow to sports analytics, personally. At least as far as trying to use analytics to create a system that makes sense as an idea but is very hard to implement successfully.

 

[jterrell]

Got man to you absolute Ditto stop bringing the NBA or the NHL or something that's not relative to football I said that the mems with these same guys got their butts kicked in game one if that's not a fact I don't know how to else to explain it to you you should have never used the NBA as an example so there there you go I'm gonna keep saying it I'm not letting it go yes their team is improved they play better defense they got it turned around but that doesn't take away from the fact that if there was a one and done situation like football both The Mavericks and stars were already be sitting at home... They got a second chance you can't do that in football so you brought this ridiculous analogy up and it's not landing with me and I'm gonna keep saying it's a good God man I don't use Siri for my information I use my eyes and my ears..

If you do not understand the NBA gets more physical in the playoffs and the NFL gets more physical in the playoffs, you are lost.
If you do not understand both the Mavs and Cowboys have been known as finesse teams, then again you are not going to be reached.

This was my thread and you can disagree but if you just want to argue you can do so with air.

You had no salient point about the Mavs. Zero, none. They were flat on the road after a 10-day layoff for about 2 quarters... so what?? Weakest point in the history of this board and you are on your 3rd attempt at making it. The Mavs have CLEARLY never been this good on defense or the boards in the Luka era. Literally every basic NBA fan understands this.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Then in a draft where they could have found great value in many places they draft mauling OL and DL? Just completely making this team over as physical juggernaut that will beat you up. Skill guys on both sides of the ball were there all day and Dallas leaned into the physical.

I said last night these guys will punch you in the mouth all game. Especially the rebuilt OL now.

All we need is a good running scheme (last years should be shredded) and the Cowboys should be able to run all day.

 

[Smith22]

But my hope is that they FINALLY figured out that getting your arse whipped in the trenches is a fatal flaw that guarantees an early loss in the playoffs. You build your team from the inside out, fix the trenches and THEN you fix the skill positions, otherwise you're not even getting a good assessment of the skill players.

Amen. Let's hope so.

 

[Parcells4Life]

When you can build a run game and good OL, you can at least drag most games out to the 4th quarter.

This team has no depth at:
WR
RB
DT
CB
S

So getting in 40-37 shootouts won’t end well. But if you can bleed the clock and wear teams down you’ve got a shot.

 

[boysfanindc]

For all of Jerry's love to Jonathon Brooks it appears Dallas never had any intention of drafting a RB and in fact had Zeke on the grounds as Jerry was telling the world we were taking Brooks.

Then in a draft where they could have found great value in many places they draft mauling OL and DL? Just completely making this team over as physical juggernaut that will beat you up. Skill guys on both sides of the ball were there all day and Dallas leaned into the physical.

I'm starting to wonder if this is what All-In actually means. The big bet on the skill guys in house and Zeke.

In many ways that is mind boggling because we tried that for about 4 years right?

But I was also watching the Dallas Mavericks vs the LA Clippers during round 2/3. And they have built around Luka a physical team that will play bully ball and literally fight you. And the team and Luka look different. Look like a 90s championship squad. So maybe, just maybe this will work where finesse and pretty 29PPG failed.

And if it fails it was all a 1-year gambit anyway. fire the coach and the QB.

Agree, the only thing I can come up with to explain their approach, if there is one:

• They know they screwed up the last Dak deal and are now in a dead cap hell.
• They don't want to be blamed for screwing up the last Dak deal, cannot have that I mean actually admitting they were wrong.
• They know they want to pay CD and Micah.
• Thought they put a team around Dak last year (won the off season) that they thought Dak should have won with.
• They know Dak will not really give a discount on the next deal and will have to pay another huge contract.
• Based on last year they do not feel they can afford to put the type of team around Dak he would need to win it all paying the type of dollars they know Dak will want.
• Believe they have to move on from Dak (why they brought in Lance), but don't want to announce a rebuild (might hurt revenue the thing that is really most important).
• Embarrassing failure in playoffs against GB, which pissed the fan base off.

So, what to do?

• Announce you are all in (no rebuild) after the game to sooth the fan base.
• Spend less money than any other team in the NFL on outside free agents, stating you need to save money for Dak, CD and Micah.
• Don't spend money on your free agents, even the ones that could have come relatively cheaply and would have plugged some holes i.e. Hankins, Tyron, Fowler, Gallimore etc.
• Draft guys that have great potential, but will need a year to be plus starters (Guyton, Kneeland etc.)
• Announce you need to see more leaf’s fall before engaging Dak in contract negotiations, even though you already know what the parameters would look like to get a deal done.
• Announce sometime in training camp we really want to sign Dak, but Dak is asking for too much money and his side is being unreasonable.
• Move ahead and resign CD and Micah.

What does this accomplish for the Joneses?

• Go into rebuild without having to say it.
• Never have to admit they screwed up the 1st Dak contract extension or even the second one.
• Move on from Dak next year never having to say they wanted too.
• See another year of Lance.
• Clear a huge portion of Dak's dead money while on the cheaper side of CD's and Micah's contracts.
• Have an uninspiring 2024, that allows you fire MM (without having to pay him for not coaching).
• Go into 2025 with a new shiny coach, huge part of Dak's money cleared.
• Build the excitement in 2025 around new coach, better cap situation and how they are all in to get this team back to a place that can win in the playoffs.

This is one man’s theory, but I have found nothing else to wrap my head around that makes sense. I am generally an optimist and have loved my team for over 30 years, but with the Joneses in charge I just don't see how we get back to the glory years. I want to, really, I do!

But the Joneses are like the Hans Christian Andersen fable “The Emperor's New Clothes”, the emperor pays a lot of money for some new magical clothes which can only be seen by wise people. The clothes do not really exist, the emperor is naked, but he does not admit he cannot see them, because he does not want to appear foolish.
The Joneses’ main objective is to make money not winning, or they would bring in a GM who is accountable for winning and fire them if they do not win in the playoffs, which is kind of the objective. But they like playing with their toy while making money so they have to sell us a story every year. The emperors could not answer the question would you fire your GM if they only produced 4 playoff games in 25 years. So, the Emperors keep telling us to look at their magical clothes.

The Jones boys look pretty naked to me and we have another throw away year.

 

[jterrell]

Does your last sentence scare you, or anyone else for that matter? "Knowing they don't have a 4th", which means if the status quo holds, you have to wait through 73 more selections until you even have an opportunity to draft a RB. Unless I missed something, our first up is Rico Dowdle. I would have been more comfortable drafting a guy to be the primary rock-totter, not just a complimentary piece to the juggernaut that is...Dowdle. My fear is us being the RB needy equivalent to the quarterbackless Raiders, sitting at the table holding our junk with limited to no options. Can't even watch, I'm going to the driving range.

I very much now believe they are banking on Zeke/Dowdle and whatever else to get by.
I mocked many RB to Dallas but it appears they did not care about my mocks and were lying about Brooks lol.
They could trade up into R4 but it seems unlikely as the price would be next year's 3rd??.

There are 3 RB I still like and if it was me, yes I would BADLY want to get one of Allen, Davis, Wright.
But I also would have taken one by now because they have about 60 picks before they go again.

They could have traded down in R2 and gotten a 4th or high 5th but chose a big, physical edge instead.
Then followed with 2 more picks and went OC and LB. The LB was a need pick and maybe even a small reach.

 

[jterrell]

Agree, the only thing I can come up with to explain their approach, if there is one:

• They know they screwed up the last Dak deal and are now in a dead cap hell.
• They don't want to be blamed for screwing up the last Dak deal, cannot have that I mean actually admitting they were wrong.
• They know they want to pay CD and Micah.
• Thought they put a team around Dak last year (won the off season) that they thought Dak should have won with.
• They know Dak will not really give a discount on the next deal and will have to pay another huge contract.
• Based on last year they do not feel they can afford to put the type of team around Dak he would need to win it all paying the type of dollars they know Dak will want.
• Believe they have to move on from Dak (why they brought in Lance), but don't want to announce a rebuild (might hurt revenue the thing that is really most important).
• Embarrassing failure in playoffs against GB, which pissed the fan base off.

So, what to do?

• Announce you are all in (no rebuild) after the game to sooth the fan base.
• Spend less money than any other team in the NFL on outside free agents, stating you need to save money for Dak, CD and Micah.
• Don't spend money on your free agents, even the ones that could have come relatively cheaply and would have plugged some holes i.e. Hankins, Tyron, Fowler, Gallimore etc.
• Draft guys that have great potential, but will need a year to be plus starters (Guyton, Kneeland etc.)
• Announce you need to see more leaf’s fall before engaging Dak in contract negotiations, even though you already know what the parameters would look like to get a deal done.
• Announce sometime in training camp we really want to sign Dak, but Dak is asking for too much money and his side is being unreasonable.
• Move ahead and resign CD and Micah.

What does this accomplish for the Joneses?

• Go into rebuild without having to say it.
• Never have to admit they screwed up the 1st Dak contract extension or even the second one.
• Move on from Dak next year never having to say they wanted too.
• See another year of Lance.
• Clear a huge portion of Dak's dead money while on the cheaper side of CD's and Micah's contracts.
• Have an uninspiring 2024, that allows you fire MM (without having to pay him for not coaching).
• Go into 2025 with a new shiny coach, huge part of Dak's money cleared.
• Build the excitement in 2025 around new coach, better cap situation and how they are all in to get this team back to a place that can win in the playoffs.

This is one man’s theory, but I have found nothing else to wrap my head around that makes sense. I am generally an optimist and have loved my team for over 30 years, but with the Joneses in charge I just don't see how we get back to the glory years. I want to, really, I do!

But the Joneses are like the Hans Christian Andersen fable “The Emperor's New Clothes”, the emperor pays a lot of money for some new magical clothes which can only be seen by wise people. The clothes do not really exist, the emperor is naked, but he does not admit he cannot see them, because he does not want to appear foolish.
The Joneses’ main objective is to make money not winning, or they would bring in a GM who is accountable for winning and fire them if they do not win in the playoffs, which is kind of the objective. But they like playing with their toy while making money so they have to sell us a story every year. The emperors could not answer the question would you fire your GM if they only produced 4 playoff games in 25 years. So, the Emperors keep telling us to look at their magical clothes.

The Jones boys look pretty naked to me and we have another throw away year.

I wouldn't really disagree with any of this.
I think they are taking a shot with the guys they have and making the most of this 1 year run while rebuilding into a more physical group.
Zim plays a very physical defense and the double OL draft that early says they want to pound people.
Zeke runs about as fast as me, so they are signing him for power and toughness.

Dak's current deal is a bargain on the cap in AAV but the extra stuff in that contract is awful. No trade, no tag... sheesh.
But again, Trey Lance alone doesn't strike me as a post Dak plan.
And I don't see one at WR or RB either.
Which tells me 2024 will be a lot of heavy lifting for Dak, CeeDee and Zeke.
Then they decide on a fully cleaned house or extensions all-around.

 

[blueblood70]

If you do not understand the NBA gets more physical in the playoffs and the NFL gets more physical in the playoffs, you are lost.
If you do not understand both the Mavs and Cowboys have been known as finesse teams, then again you are not going to be reached.

This was my thread and you can disagree but if you just want to argue you can do so with air.

You had no salient point about the Mavs. Zero, none. They were flat on the road after a 10-day layoff for about 2 quarters... so what?? Weakest point in the history of this board and you are on your 3rd attempt at making it. The Mavs have CLEARLY never been this good on defense or the boards in the Luka era. Literally every basic NBA fan understands this.

Oh my God ohh the NFL Dallas cowboy page I don't have anything to say about The Mavericks no I say that in my Mavericks Facebook areas and on Twitter and on Bleacher Report you know where there's mixed groups here this is about the Dallas Cowboys you got that?! Apparently it runs right over your head that these are two different types of sports that are built very differently especially with the salary cap how many players rosters all this stuff it's 100% different just like I said if you don't understand the fact that The Mavericks came into the game one and they looked like trash they only got a second chance because of the differences in the sport or they would already be out you got that they came in and played the same horrible first game in the playoffs that the Cowboys did in Green Bay..

So I'm trying to tell you this is not the place to compare the Cowboys or any NFL team to the NBA they're completely 100% different sports there's no parallels whatsoever.... I'm glad The Mavericks recovered and now they're up to one that's not the place to discuss it I'm telling your analogy is terrible I do understand I don't need a clear salient opinion because this is not about basketball this place I come to discuss the Cowboys....got it yet??!!!

 

[InPhiltraitor]

There are 3 RB I still like and if it was me, yes I would BADLY want to get one of Allen, Davis, Wright.
But I also would have taken one by now because they have about 60 picks before they go again.

Don't forget the compensatories. We actually have to wait through 73 picks.

 

[boysfanindc]

I wouldn't really disagree with any of this.
I think they are taking a shot with the guys they have and making the most of this 1 year run while rebuilding into a more physical group.
Zim plays a very physical defense and the double OL draft that early says they want to pound people.
Zeke runs about as fast as me, so they are signing him for power and toughness.

Dak's current deal is a bargain on the cap in AAV but the extra stuff in that contract is awful. No trade, no tag... sheesh.
But again, Trey Lance alone doesn't strike me as a post Dak plan.
And I don't see one at WR or RB either.
Which tells me 2024 will be a lot of heavy lifting for Dak, CeeDee and Zeke.
Then they decide on a fully cleaned house or extensions all-around.

Can not disagree with any of what you said. Not sure I believe yet Lance is a plan either, just trying to understand their logic.

Just interested, how do you think they would respond to the question (if a reporter would actually ask it) if a GM was in place whom produced 4 playoff wind in 25 years would they still have a job?