This will be Dak's third defensive rebuild. Does it matter?

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It's refreshing to have a new DC, but wonder if it really matters? There's a solid argument that Dak's only non-choke game was 2022 season. But even that game had a slow offensive start, the defense just kept them in it.

He had franchise WRs in all these seasons, although Dez was on the way out in his rookie year. However he had best running game and offensive line of his career. Defense was pretty bad before Marinelli and DQ took over, so it can be rebuilt quickly, but also lucked into some awesome draft picks with Parsons and Diggs who quickly contributed. Benefit this year is we have a very solid interior defensive line which can easily say they never had, but holes all over the D in other positions.

No more Great Wall Dallas II remnants left. And some shaky OTs. I don't know fellow fans, maybe should have just moved on from Dak when we could. Lot of holes, and an expensive QB. And if they re-sign Pickens, a lot of money and draft picks invested in that offense. Cue the Jerry Jones GM arguments. Hope the new Coaches have some new input in the draft and free agency that can get them there.

2016 - Lost at home 34-31 to Packers.
Not a flashy defense, but #1 against run. Marinelli had managed to make something with a new 4-3 base. Secondary was weakness which allowed one of greatest QBs in NFL history to easily score. Don't forget though that Dak's slow start was also key. Pack were up 21-3 by half. Dak had best running game of his career. If we had 2026 Dak in this game, maybe they win, but rookie Dak unable to do it. Pack get destroyed by DQ's Falcons in NFC Championship game.

2018 - Lost on road 22-30 to Rams
Defense was 6th in NFL points, 7th in yards. That one season where LVE and Jaylon could still ball. Well rounded defense. Decent ends with Tank and Gregory. Another great running game and line. Coop comes in to save the passing game. Again, slow start in first half. Cowboys already down 21-3. Rams lose Super Bowl to Brady and the Pats. Only score 3 points.

2021 - Lost on road 17-23 to 49ers
Young Diggs and Parsons leading a new DQ transformed defense causing turnovers and havoc. Another slow start by the offense. Only 7 points in 3 quarters. Defense did play well enough to win the game though. 49ers lose a close one to Rams in NFC Championship game.

2022 - Lost on road 12-19 to 49ers
DQ's defense still dominating. And best playoff support Dak ever had on defense. Cowboys destroy Tampa. San Fran Round 2 is a hard fought game with mostly FGs. 9-9 into 4th quarter. Dak improving, but couldn't get over hump. 49ers move to NFC Championship game to get crushed by Philly. My guess is if Dak ends up without a ring, this is the Playoffs he looks at as the one that got away.

2023 - Lost at home 32-48 to Packers
The crushing defeat game. Defense was ranked high for season but had nothing left in Playoffs and teams had figured them out. But offense wasn't much better either. Cowboys only 7 points going into halftime. Green Bay loses next round against San Fran who wins out and finally gets over their NFC Championship Game slump.
 
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In addition to the OP there is the context that defences were saying that the Cowboys offence was overly simplistic and defence could read their "tells" on the plays.

There is absolutlely nothing wrong with the defence knowing what play is coming next, but you better be good enough to win on the execution of the play, and the players have to be good enough to win the key one on one battles.

If you don't have that talent, then you better have the culture of execution. Do your job!

Not entirely sure about what is the issue with the Cowboys through those years, but the results of the games was that the team, possibly offence, wasn't always ready for the moment.
 
Dak deserves blame for his poor performance games but I don’t care what anyone says or what rankings say with my own two eyes you know what it takes to win in this league. You need good coaching, good QB play and a good defense. You need to be tough physically. You can’t cheat it. You have to be tough and physical in the trenches. Giving up 200 rushing yards isn’t that. Not getting off the field on 3rd down isn’t it.

There’s a certain standard when it comes to winning and physicality. Soft teams don’t win SBs. They will make the playoffs and get exposed.
 
When it matters most the offense which carries this team in the regular season has failed in the post season games. Both the offense and defense need to do better.
 
VaqueroTD said:
It's refreshing to have a new DC, but wonder if it really matters? There's a solid argument that Dak's only non-choke game was 2022 season. But even that game had a slow offensive start, the defense just kept them in it.

He had franchise WRs in all these seasons, although Dez was on the way out in his rookie year. However he had best running game and offensive line of his career. Defense was pretty bad before Marinelli and DQ took over, so it can be rebuilt quickly, but also lucked into some awesome draft picks with Parsons and Diggs who quickly contributed. Benefit this year is we have a very solid interior defensive line which can easily say they never had, but holes all over the D in other positions.

No more Great Wall Dallas II remnants left. And some shaky OTs. I don't know fellow fans, maybe should have just moved on from Dak when we could. Lot of holes, and an expensive QB. And if they re-sign Pickens, a lot of money and draft picks invested in that offense. Cue the Jerry Jones GM arguments. Hope the new Coaches have some new input in the draft and free agency that can get them there.

2016 - Lost at home 34-31 to Packers.
Not a flashy defense, but #1 against run. Marinelli had managed to make something with a new 4-3 base. Secondary was weakness which allowed one of greatest QBs in NFL history to easily score. Don't forget though that Dak's slow start was also key. Pack were up 21-3 by half. Dak had best running game of his career. If we had 2026 Dak in this game, maybe they win, but rookie Dak unable to do it. Pack get destroyed by DQ's Falcons in NFC Championship game.

2018 - Lost on road 22-30 to Rams
Defense was 6th in NFL points, 7th in yards. That one season where LVE and Jaylon could still ball. Well rounded defense. Decent ends with Tank and Gregory. Another great running game and line. Coop comes in to save the passing game. Again, slow start in first half. Cowboys already down 21-3. Rams lose Super Bowl to Brady and the Pats. Only score 3 points.

2021 - Lost on road 17-23 to 49ers
Young Diggs and Parsons leading a new DQ transformed defense causing turnovers and havoc. Another slow start by the offense. Only 7 points in 3 quarters. Defense did play well enough to win the game though. 49ers lose a close one to Rams in NFC Championship game.

2022 - Lost on road 12-19 to 49ers
DQ's defense still dominating. And best playoff support Dak ever had on defense. Cowboys destroy Tampa. San Fran Round 2 is a hard fought game with mostly FGs. 9-9 into 4th quarter. Dak improving, but couldn't get over hump. 49ers move to NFC Championship game to get crushed by Philly. My guess is if Dak ends up without a ring, this is the Playoffs he looks at as the one that got away.

2023 - Lost at home 32-48 to Packers
The crushing defeat game. Defense was ranked high for season but had nothing left in Playoffs and teams had figured them out. But offense wasn't much better either. Cowboys only 7 points going into halftime. Green Bay loses next round against San Fran who wins out and finally gets over their NFC Championship Game slump.
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You lost me misspelling the word ,offense as DAK

inserting it as Dak NON- CHOKE, somehow the slow starts were on the quarterback alone??!!! is that what you're trying to say??:facepalm::angry::popcorn:

had nothing to do with the offensive line, the lack of a run game, the lack of good blocking, I don't know the 11 penalties in the one game Yeah by the offensive line, literally How is this slow start has Prescott's name by it, as if it was all him, what is it the word non choke games..

This has to be the biggest troll post I've ever seen on Prescott,

the fact that you don't mention anything else but him in the title as if he's choked in the playoffs ,and I don't see where he's choked..

slow starts are not choke-ING, slow starts by the offense are systemic and the lack of execution across the board has to put blame evenly throughout all levels.

he played great against the Packers as rookie, and they lost that game, that's all on the defense, The Rams in 2018 are you kidding me ,

You mean to keep away with time of possession because the defense gave up almost 300 yards rushing, You mean that game that looked close but it really wasn't? We all watched the game the offense didn't get enough possessions to even make a difference but once again where is the rest of the blame on the coaches the offensive line the lack of a run game etcetera etcetera I mean guys weren't getting open dropping passes we can do this all day and you're still gonna lose except for the little people that you got to help troll with you another flame war of Prescott to choker in the playoffs versus those who see it was a lack of a team effort..

Sure some of the offenses had slow starts, but how is all on Dak?

that's the ENTIRE offense, from the offensive line to the run game to people not getting open bad game plans, bad in game play calling, just bad coaching, they literally got out coached...

how do you think that those defenses are able to come out and at the beginning this seemed to have an answer for the play calls, and the fact that there was no execution anywhere else....

how was the quarterback supposed to execute where he has no run support in many of those games show me the runs show me the losses in recent history now show me the yards per carry the touchdown Any impact plays?

I'm not going to go through and break it down like this,

but I'm already gone after your first line saying the only non-choke game and then somehow all the slow starts had Dak named on it, not the offense...

Finish this Those playoff losses were total team losses but it was lost in the trenches on both sides of the ball You can't function as a quarterback if you can't play in the trenches really the team can't function if you're getting your **** kicked in the trenches on both sides of the ball..

It can't be broke down much more simple than that,

I don't know any quarterbacks can overcome some of that garbage, especially the game where there was 14 penalties,

How are you supposed to play behind the chains; first and 20, 2nd and 15, 3rd and 10+ all game long, and constantly every time you made a play have to go backwards... Same on the other side of the ball getting your butts driven five yards down fuel before the running back is touched and then just run over you like it's nothing and somehow that's just back to the quarterback slow starts..


I mean if you can't run or stop the run it's going to make everything look bad and that is how we've lost those playoff games..
 
charron said:
When it matters most the offense which carries this team in the regular season has failed in the post season games. Both the offense and defense need to do better.
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Right the entire offense the offense, last I checked wasn't only Prescott, lot more moving parts, than that including coaching game plans, adjustments in game, but the offensive line has been horrible in most of those games, It starts there, there's no run game ,nothing,

but sure, you want to put a percentage on it is 70% defense 30% offense...


The coaching Staffs has gotten their **** kicks as much as the trenches have been horrible and a lot of these losses,

there's just nothing there ,you're getting moved easily, and you can't move anyone, you're not going to have much of a game against that kind of talent, you get away with it in the regular season, you're not getting away with that garbage especially with all the penalties you added to it in the playoffs.

Yes the team choked in big moments in bigger games and I'll include some of the regular season but when Prescott is the only name up in the thread it was meant to troll it was meant to do this very thing Start more Prescott homers versus Prescott haters this is all it is and I'm still not sure why it's allowed because this is going to go really far South...

Buckle up...
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Dak deserves blame for his poor performance games but I don’t care what anyone says or what rankings say with my own two eyes you know what it takes to win in this league. You need good coaching, good QB play and a good defense. You need to be tough physically. You can’t cheat it. You have to be tough and physical in the trenches. Giving up 200 rushing yards isn’t that. Not getting off the field on 3rd down isn’t it.

There’s a certain standard when it comes to winning and physicality. Soft teams don’t win SBs. They will make the playoffs and get exposed.
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But it is so much easier to blame Dak for every loss. Never thinking we never had an offense as bad as our defenses were. That Green Bay game, over after the first drive. Defense over the years cannot get off the field on third down or make a stop to end the game a thousand times more than Dak not playing well.
 
blueblood70 said:
You lost me misspelling the word ,offense as DAK

inserting it as Dak NON- CHOKE, somehow the slow starts were on the quarterback alone??!!! is that what you're trying to say??:facepalm::angry::popcorn:

had nothing to do with the offensive line, the lack of a run game, the lack of good blocking, I don't know the 11 penalties in the one game Yeah by the offensive line, literally How is this slow start has Prescott's name by it, as if it was all him, what is it the word non choke games..

This has to be the biggest troll post I've ever seen on Prescott,

the fact that you don't mention anything else but him in the title as if he's choked in the playoffs ,and I don't see where he's choked..

slow starts are not choke-ING, slow starts by the offense are systemic and the lack of execution across the board has to put blame evenly throughout all levels.

he played great against the Packers as rookie, and they lost that game, that's all on the defense, The Rams in 2018 are you kidding me ,

You mean to keep away with time of possession because the defense gave up almost 300 yards rushing, You mean that game that looked close but it really wasn't? We all watched the game the offense didn't get enough possessions to even make a difference but once again where is the rest of the blame on the coaches the offensive line the lack of a run game etcetera etcetera I mean guys weren't getting open dropping passes we can do this all day and you're still gonna lose except for the little people that you got to help troll with you another flame war of Prescott to choker in the playoffs versus those who see it was a lack of a team effort..

Sure some of the offenses had slow starts, but how is all on Dak?

that's the ENTIRE offense, from the offensive line to the run game to people not getting open bad game plans, bad in game play calling, just bad coaching, they literally got out coached...

how do you think that those defenses are able to come out and at the beginning this seemed to have an answer for the play calls, and the fact that there was no execution anywhere else....

how was the quarterback supposed to execute where he has no run support in many of those games show me the runs show me the losses in recent history now show me the yards per carry the touchdown Any impact plays?

I'm not going to go through and break it down like this,

but I'm already gone after your first line saying the only non-choke game and then somehow all the slow starts had Dak named on it, not the offense...

Finish this Those playoff losses were total team losses but it was lost in the trenches on both sides of the ball You can't function as a quarterback if you can't play in the trenches really the team can't function if you're getting your **** kicked in the trenches on both sides of the ball..

It can't be broke down much more simple than that,

I don't know any quarterbacks can overcome some of that garbage, especially the game where there was 14 penalties,

How are you supposed to play behind the chains; first and 20, 2nd and 15, 3rd and 10+ all game long, and constantly every time you made a play have to go backwards... Same on the other side of the ball getting your butts driven five yards down fuel before the running back is touched and then just run over you like it's nothing and somehow that's just back to the quarterback slow starts..


I mean if you can't run or stop the run it's going to make everything look bad and that is how we've lost those playoff games..
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another novela defending Dak
yawn
 
VaqueroTD said:
It's refreshing to have a new DC, but wonder if it really matters? There's a solid argument that Dak's only non-choke game was 2022 season. But even that game had a slow offensive start, the defense just kept them in it.

He had franchise WRs in all these seasons, although Dez was on the way out in his rookie year. However he had best running game and offensive line of his career. Defense was pretty bad before Marinelli and DQ took over, so it can be rebuilt quickly, but also lucked into some awesome draft picks with Parsons and Diggs who quickly contributed. Benefit this year is we have a very solid interior defensive line which can easily say they never had, but holes all over the D in other positions.

No more Great Wall Dallas II remnants left. And some shaky OTs. I don't know fellow fans, maybe should have just moved on from Dak when we could. Lot of holes, and an expensive QB. And if they re-sign Pickens, a lot of money and draft picks invested in that offense. Cue the Jerry Jones GM arguments. Hope the new Coaches have some new input in the draft and free agency that can get them there.

2016 - Lost at home 34-31 to Packers.
Not a flashy defense, but #1 against run. Marinelli had managed to make something with a new 4-3 base. Secondary was weakness which allowed one of greatest QBs in NFL history to easily score. Don't forget though that Dak's slow start was also key. Pack were up 21-3 by half. Dak had best running game of his career. If we had 2026 Dak in this game, maybe they win, but rookie Dak unable to do it. Pack get destroyed by DQ's Falcons in NFC Championship game.

2018 - Lost on road 22-30 to Rams
Defense was 6th in NFL points, 7th in yards. That one season where LVE and Jaylon could still ball. Well rounded defense. Decent ends with Tank and Gregory. Another great running game and line. Coop comes in to save the passing game. Again, slow start in first half. Cowboys already down 21-3. Rams lose Super Bowl to Brady and the Pats. Only score 3 points.

2021 - Lost on road 17-23 to 49ers
Young Diggs and Parsons leading a new DQ transformed defense causing turnovers and havoc. Another slow start by the offense. Only 7 points in 3 quarters. Defense did play well enough to win the game though. 49ers lose a close one to Rams in NFC Championship game.

2022 - Lost on road 12-19 to 49ers
DQ's defense still dominating. And best playoff support Dak ever had on defense. Cowboys destroy Tampa. San Fran Round 2 is a hard fought game with mostly FGs. 9-9 into 4th quarter. Dak improving, but couldn't get over hump. 49ers move to NFC Championship game to get crushed by Philly. My guess is if Dak ends up without a ring, this is the Playoffs he looks at as the one that got away.

2023 - Lost at home 32-48 to Packers
The crushing defeat game. Defense was ranked high for season but had nothing left in Playoffs and teams had figured them out. But offense wasn't much better either. Cowboys only 7 points going into halftime. Green Bay loses next round against San Fran who wins out and finally gets over their NFC Championship Game slump.
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VaqueroTD said:
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Right back at cha brother.
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Really pot calling the kettle black you're saying that your posts not only was it really A total troll post you call that short you call your post short wow hypocrisy at its best Trolling dumpster fire of a post way way too long Put all the blame on one person and somehow that's good I didn't have to read yours either to come to a conclusion it was meant to create a flame war-
 
During Romo's starting career Dallas made the playoffs 3 times.
In those years he had a top 10 defense 4x, 2 of those being 2007 & 2009 (ranked 9th both times)
2014 arguably his best season the defense was 19th and most years were mid with a couple historically bad
Only twice did he have a runningback break 1k yards (Demarco- 2013, 2014) and 2014 was the 'Dez caught it' divisional game
I'd say support matters
 
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