Thoughts on last night

[conner01]

WR doesn’t scare me too much. We lack proven talent after Lamb but we have some decent depth we can work with
Swing tackle concerns me and has since off season began
Overall I think the roster, especially on the defensive side, is solid
Just have to be patient with smith and find an answer at swing tackle
We also have the talent at TE to take some pressure off WR
The key to me is running the ball
If we can run the ball the WR’s will look so much better

 

[Bullflop]

It's my fervent hope that Trysten Hill continues to display the desire and energy that he showed last night. If it continues, it's even possible that there might be consideration of converting him into a starter. That would be a leap of faith but one that might lead to big things later. Hill seems aware of his opportunity in the here and now to make the most of his chances to get ahead and yes, It's about time.

Another thing that commands hope within me is that this FO will see fit to acquire a swing tackle in the days and weeks that lie ahead. I wouldn't be too surprised, however, if they wait until the final cuts to acquire and sign an OT to tend to that task. They're well-known to resort to such hesitations to acquire the most affordable deals humanly possible. Let's hope they don't waste their chances to sign a good one.

 

[conner01]

It's my fervent hope that Trysten Hill continues to display the desire and energy that he showed last night. If it continues, it's even possible that there might be consideration of converting him into a starter. That would be a leap of faith but one that might lead to big things later. Hill seems aware of his opportunity in the here and now to make the most of his chances to get ahead and yes, It's about time.

Another thing that commands hope within me is that this FO will see fit to acquire a swing tackle in the days and weeks that lie ahead. I wouldn't be too surprised, however, if they wait until the final cuts to acquire and sign an OT to tend to that task. They're well-known to resort to such hesitations to acquire the most affordable deals humanly possible. Let's hope they don't waste their chances to sign a good one.

Contract year
Always a great motivator lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't get where this notion that Hill has only now started showing effort is coming from. His problem hasn't been effort on the field. He goes squirrely if he doesn't believe in coaching and he wasn't very good on his reads and would get blown up badly but effort?

He's been running down plays from the beginning.

 

[OmerV]

Completely random as they pop into my head

- Grier should be the backup.

- Dowdle and Davis are an interesting battle for that 3rd RB spot.

- Smith seems to be settling in at LG. He still has his mistakes but he can be so dominant at times. The more reps he gets (leave him at LG you schmucks), the better he's going to get and give us a nice OG combo with Martin.

- I've ripped Hill but there's no question he's playing well. Now he'll never be that dominant, interior wrecker but if we are going with the body rotation method at DT, he sure seems to be finding his spot. The question will be can he continually put forth the effort needed game in and game out, play to play, series to series.

- Tolbert clearly has some skill but he's not ready to be a big contributor yet. I am beating the hell out of this, but they have a WR issue and are just ignoring it thinking they can get by for 4-6 games with, I guess, a bunch of double tight end stuff, etc. I guess we'll see if their gamble will pay off.

- Ball just isn't that good. Like WR, I have no idea what they are doing depth wise at OT right now. My fear is they try to shift Tyler Smith to OT if one of the starters gets hurt and I think that would be a mistake.

- Wright just struggles with the ball in the air. Any talk of him being much better than Joseph is laughable. That's not an endorsement of Joseph, mind you. It's just reality with Wright. But then again, we are talking about a 4th or 5th or even 6th CB, so not exactly a huge issue for the season.

- Still too many penalties and that's a coaching thing. But I do like that the coaches have seemingly instilled a desire to be more physical. Both the OL and DL has played tough in these first two games. Now granted, it's a mixture of backups versus backups in many cases, but still, being able to just line up and take a punch and give a punch is important. The 49ers manhandled us last year with a better OL and DL. We are going to see that twice this year with Philly having loaded offensive and defensive lines.

These comments all seem pretty accurate to me.

As for RB, Davis just looks quicker and stronger to me than Dowdle.

 

[Sydla]

Thanx for sharing ..

- Grier may not have enuff game time to seriously change the backup decision. If Rush was equally ineffective vs Chargers, the decision may have swung towards
Wil Grier is limited too, but physically wise, he offers more snap and velocity ability than Rush, and it’s not like Grier has no game experience as a starting QB.
What Rush has, is that lone vikes win, familiarity with this Moore offense and longtime rapport with the OC and QB coaches that know and trust Rush.
I would seriously doubt we carry 3 QBs on the 53, nor should we.

- Even as a rookie, Tyler is too physically country strong and powerful to be sitting the bench in favor of McGovern, once Tyler is locked on in front of DL guys, they cannot
toss or overpower him. You don’t gain forward movement vs pass, and he moves defenders off the line vs run. I just dunno about our OL coach.

- Tolbert is playing tentative to a degree. Especially when it comes to slants and anything to do with tight traffic and crowded short middle catches.
Time will tell if he will end up proving a dependable slot WR.
He maybe the type that needs more developing time per game experience, coach up and offseason programing.
* Remember it took some developing time for the likes of Gallup and Cedrick Wilson. They were not instant rookie studs.

I never said anything about Tolbert being a rookie stud. But the reality is the Cowboys are seemingly not concerned with WR outside Lamb so they must be banking on Tolbert being a player right from the start. I believe that's foolish. Tolbert has talent but he's likely going to need time to develop into a quality NFL WR.

 

[eromeopolk]

It's not a good look when year two and both Joseph and Wright look meh to bad.
Joseph was a boom bust pick and we aren't seeing much to say they hit on him, yet.
Wright I'm going to think they got confused and thought they were in the 7th round.

3 year rule on draft picks. Wright just needs to turn around and intercept or swat the ball he is all over the WR but is not aware of the ball. Joseph had a pass break ups.

What no one is talking about is how well Connor McGovern is playing at OG. Dallas should not let him go as he is valuable at both OG spots and C.

 

[Sydla]

I think they need to bring in a vet receiver (TY Hilton for me) and a vet swing tackle (Sam Tevi maybe?)

I have to think they have a vet swing tackle in mind to sign after final cuts or after week one when his salary is no longer guaranteed.

Hopefully that's the case with regards to OT. My fear is they either think Ball will get better or in a situation where one of the OTs gets hurt they start playing mix and match across the OL.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Completely random as they pop into my head

- Grier should be the backup.

- Dowdle and Davis are an interesting battle for that 3rd RB spot.

- Smith seems to be settling in at LG. He still has his mistakes but he can be so dominant at times. The more reps he gets (leave him at LG you schmucks), the better he's going to get and give us a nice OG combo with Martin.

- I've ripped Hill but there's no question he's playing well. Now he'll never be that dominant, interior wrecker but if we are going with the body rotation method at DT, he sure seems to be finding his spot. The question will be can he continually put forth the effort needed game in and game out, play to play, series to series.

- Tolbert clearly has some skill but he's not ready to be a big contributor yet. I am beating the hell out of this, but they have a WR issue and are just ignoring it thinking they can get by for 4-6 games with, I guess, a bunch of double tight end stuff, etc. I guess we'll see if their gamble will pay off.

- Ball just isn't that good. Like WR, I have no idea what they are doing depth wise at OT right now. My fear is they try to shift Tyler Smith to OT if one of the starters gets hurt and I think that would be a mistake.

- Wright just struggles with the ball in the air. Any talk of him being much better than Joseph is laughable. That's not an endorsement of Joseph, mind you. It's just reality with Wright. But then again, we are talking about a 4th or 5th or even 6th CB, so not exactly a huge issue for the season.

- Still too many penalties and that's a coaching thing. But I do like that the coaches have seemingly instilled a desire to be more physical. Both the OL and DL has played tough in these first two games. Now granted, it's a mixture of backups versus backups in many cases, but still, being able to just line up and take a punch and give a punch is important. The 49ers manhandled us last year with a better OL and DL. We are going to see that twice this year with Philly having loaded offensive and defensive lines.

Who do you think should play tackle if one of ours gets hurt, seeing as you think Smith should stay at guard?

 

[Crown Royal]

I never said anything about Tolbert being a rookie stud. But the reality is the Cowboys are seemingly not concerned with WR outside Lamb so they must be banking on Tolbert being a player right from the start. I believe that's foolish. Tolbert has talent but he's likely going to need time to develop into a quality NFL WR.

I expect to see a TON of WR subbing along with TE heavy sets. Jake Ferguson is ready to step into 2TE sets today and contribute with Schulz. Lamb will likely get a lot of reps, but he'll get spelled.

From there we will see everything from Big packages where we have 2 TE with Simi Fehoko and Noah Brown being big bodied WRs to block, 3 WR sets wtih Lamb out wide, Tolbert in slot and Justin Houston/Fehoko/Brown playing the other side, and who knows how many combos in between.

Turbin will get plenty of work on Jet Sweeps, screens and other drag route plays.

Tolbert will be a year or two before being a big contributor but i think he gets there just needs work. In the meantime I'm quietly ok with the rest of the setup.

 

[Stash]

Hopefully that's the case with regards to OT. My fear is they either think Ball will get better or in a situation where one of the OTs gets hurt they start playing mix and match across the OL.

Let’s hope not!

 

[OmerV]

I don't get where this notion that Hill has only now started showing effort is coming from. His problem hasn't been effort on the field. He goes squirrely if he doesn't believe in coaching and he wasn't very good on his reads and would get blown up badly but effort?

He's been running down plays from the beginning.

The problem I think is the injuries and all the missed time, so it's hard to know what to think about Hill. The one issue I see is he is more of the same with what we have at DT - quick and can penetrate some, but not a run stuffer or a guy to clog up the middle.

 

[Sydla]

Who do you think should play tackle if one of ours gets hurt, seeing as you think Smith should stay at guard?

They should have or should go out and get a veteran tackle. There are a couple out there and there will be some cut.

Tyler Smith has playedd ZERO offensive tackle in camp thus far. He's shown he's adjusting to LG but still has some things to work on. How foolish would it be to move him to LT or RT in the middle of a season when he's had little to no experience practicing or playing OT at this level?

 

[John813]

3 year rule on draft picks. Wright just needs to turn around and intercept or swat the ball he is all over the WR but is not aware of the ball. Joseph had a pass break ups.

What no one is talking about is how well Connor McGovern is playing at OG. Dallas should not let him go as he is valuable at both OG spots and C.

for sure. Just would of liked to of seen more improvements but luckily it’s not like the team is desperate on the two corners mentioned above to handle a lot of snaps this year

 

[eromeopolk]

Casillas was a top 5 DT. Tolbert was a top 12ish DE. Maryland was far above average. Jimmie Jones, the backup DT, was a top 12ishDT. That DLine was loaded, there was nothing average about it. Do you realize that Jim Jeffcoat was on that team, another top 10ish pass rusher?

So was Chad Hennings who would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick if not for serving his country (Airforce).

 

[quickccc]

I never said anything about Tolbert being a rookie stud. But the reality is the Cowboys are seemingly not concerned with WR outside Lamb
so they must be banking on Tolbert being a player right from the start. I believe that's foolish. Tolbert has talent but he's likely going to need time to develop into a quality NFL WR.

no you didn't ... but that's just me delivering my point.
Some players just need more time to develop and grow than others.

My guess work only with the Cowboys plan at WR seems like , .
1) .lean heavily on Lamb (prayer he doesn't get hurt) while we wait week -to week upon Gallup's possible return.
Its supposedly rumored that the team may not chose to place him on the PUP list which means he'll have to sit out the first few games of the season.

2) as well as depend on collection (committee) of Brown, Tolbert, Simi, and maybe Houston.
I don't like the plan on depending our first half season on a rookie and a collection of nobody's that are not proven difference makers.
and we don't have the flat luxury of others WR teammates Cooper, Gallup and Cedrick like last year.

Don't be surprised if we hear Cowboys claiming they were depending so heavily upon injured FA signee James Washington
that this is what threw their plans down the drain.

 

[aikemirv]

Actually Wright looks just like Anthony Brown and Awuzie. Great coverage most of the time but can't find the ball - rinse and repeat with those guys!

 

[Crown Royal]

Actually Wright looks just like Anthony Brown and Awuzie. Great coverage most of the time but can't find the ball - rinse and repeat with those guys!

Anthony Brown was fantastic last year outside the Bucs game and Raiders games. Had interceptions, PBUs and was an excellent tackler. We were lucky to have him opposite Diggs.

Agree on Awuzie, though they love him in Cleveland.

Wright is worse than Awuzie right now IMO. He just has zero observable ball skills. I don't cut him because I think the physical tools are there but he just does not have any instinct to play the ball in the aira.

 

[aikemirv]

Completely random as they pop into my head

- Grier should be the backup.

- Dowdle and Davis are an interesting battle for that 3rd RB spot.

- Smith seems to be settling in at LG. He still has his mistakes but he can be so dominant at times. The more reps he gets (leave him at LG you schmucks), the better he's going to get and give us a nice OG combo with Martin.

- I've ripped Hill but there's no question he's playing well. Now he'll never be that dominant, interior wrecker but if we are going with the body rotation method at DT, he sure seems to be finding his spot. The question will be can he continually put forth the effort needed game in and game out, play to play, series to series.

- Tolbert clearly has some skill but he's not ready to be a big contributor yet. I am beating the hell out of this, but they have a WR issue and are just ignoring it thinking they can get by for 4-6 games with, I guess, a bunch of double tight end stuff, etc. I guess we'll see if their gamble will pay off.

- Ball just isn't that good. Like WR, I have no idea what they are doing depth wise at OT right now. My fear is they try to shift Tyler Smith to OT if one of the starters gets hurt and I think that would be a mistake.

- Wright just struggles with the ball in the air. Any talk of him being much better than Joseph is laughable. That's not an endorsement of Joseph, mind you. It's just reality with Wright. But then again, we are talking about a 4th or 5th or even 6th CB, so not exactly a huge issue for the season.

- Still too many penalties and that's a coaching thing. But I do like that the coaches have seemingly instilled a desire to be more physical. Both the OL and DL has played tough in these first two games. Now granted, it's a mixture of backups versus backups in many cases, but still, being able to just line up and take a punch and give a punch is important. The 49ers manhandled us last year with a better OL and DL. We are going to see that twice this year with Philly having loaded offensive and defensive lines.

Going cheap and not signing Cedric Wilson is going to cost them - just a stupid move!

 

[aikemirv]

Anthony Brown was fantastic last year outside the Bucs game and Raiders games. Had interceptions, PBUs and was an excellent tackler. We were lucky to have him opposite Diggs.

Agree on Awuzie, though they love him in Cleveland.

Wright is worse than Awuzie right now IMO. He just has zero observable ball skills. I don't cut him because I think the physical tools are there but he just does not have any instinct to play the ball in the aira.

How did Brown look his first couple of years?