Thoughts on the game

[Chasing6]

Trey was not ehhhh

He had maybe 4 bad throws all night

Can you imagine if Dak had a stat line if 15/23 for 151 yards?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Ehhh is average. That's what he looked like to me tonight (granted that's better than last week). A lot of safe, shorter throws, but he still had some issues early. He averaged 6.6 YPA which is pretty low. He did show his athleticism for sure.

You guys are desperate for him to show enough to continue the Dak is done drum beat, so I get that. But Lance still needs a ton of work, particularly in the passing game. And at the end of the day all of this won't matter all that much if Dak signs an extension.

I wont sit here and say that Lance gives the Cowboys a better chance to win week 1 of 2024 than Dak does, but in terms of having a player who seems to be trending in a positive direction and developing well I don't think its crazy to suggest that it may be impacting certain contract negotiations for a particular player.

Trey was mostly ehhh with some massive failures in terms of accuracy against LA. Against LV he still has some accuracy issues but was certainly improved. I really think that first game had the deck stacked against Lance due to the run/pass splits. 44 passes to 17 run plays just allows the defense to tee off on the QB. This doesnt excuse the clear misses he had week 1, but when looking at his advanced metrics where his struggles really came were when the defense created pressure rushing just 4 guys. This week he decreased his time to throw by nearly a half second, his numbers off of play action were significantly better, and he seemed to have a better understanding of where the ball needed to go.

So far through two preseason games Lance is

6-9 behind the LOS (1 drop)
25-38 on throws 0-9 air yards (5 drops)
8-10 on throws 10-19 air yards
1-5 on throws 20+ air yards

The big thing you'd like to see out of Lance in this final game is him driving the ball down field. He looks extremely comfortable on those mid length throws, not so much on the deep balls, but needs to do more of both of them. Tough to be a starting NFL QB with 75% of your passing being under 10 yard throws unless you can be Brady level efficient. Last year Dak was around 66% on balls under 10 yards, but he is also one of the more efficient deep ball throwers in the league. It might be tough to trust the numbers on his deep balls with 2nd/3rd string receivers, but we still want to see the throws.

I'm yet to do a true deep dive into the Raider game film but the impression I get from Lance is that he has a very strong understanding of what defenses are doing, especially with their front 7 but doesn't have as good of a grasp of his own offense as backwards as that sounds. He seems to pick up on the blitz well and gets the ball out quick. His lack of putting the ball in harms way tells me he isnt getting fooled by coverages. We just are not seeing the anticipation throws. I'm not sure if this is because Lance doesn't fully understand route concepts, doesn't trust the receivers he is working with or what the issue is, but I would love to see him take some aggressive shots against the Chargers.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Can you imagine if Dak had a stat line if 15/23 for 151 yards?

Sounds similar to what he did in the opener last year.

 

[sbark]

When you watch other young quarterbacks play you can see that Trey just seems “off”. If he was a rookie I wouldn’t think much of it but it’s concerning he’s a 4 year pro. The guy can run though I’ll give him that.

But even comparing him to Rush…I don’t know if I would cut Rush for him. I’d have to take three guys.

Thing is......cut Trey to get him on PSquad to use the 3 qb rule thing
He gets poached

Cut Rush....he makes it to the PS

A conundrum

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thing is......cut Trey to get him on PSquad to use the 3 qb rule thing
He gets poached

Cut Rush....he makes it to the PS

A conundrum

I mean the only option is to take 3 into the season.

 

[Chasing6]

Sounds similar to what he did in the opener last year.

The opener we won 40-0.

 

[rambo2]

To me, a 2nd round pick should be a bigger impact guy than what you are likely to get from Schoonmaker at this point. He's nothing all that special at TE. So if he can be a solid backup, great, but the reality is the Cowboys likely need their 2nd round picks to be bigger impact guys (especially considering they sit out FA) than what Schoon likely will be. So to me, he's kind of a wasted 2nd round pick if all he amounts to is a decent backup to Ferguson.

Schoomaker is a complete, solid tight end.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Schoomaker is a complete, solid tight end.

Is there anyone on the team you’re disappointed in or would prefer to see them replaced?

 

[rambo2]

Is there anyone on the team you’re disappointed in or would prefer to see them replaced?

Fehoko and Snoop

 

[thunderpimp91]

The opener we won 40-0.

They won last night too, not sure I get the point?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Schoomaker is a complete, solid tight end.

I’m still bullish on schoon as well. I’d love to see him take a step forward as a receiver this year. I think half his issues are just staying healthy.

 

[rambo2]

I’m still bullish on schoon as well. I’d love to see him take a step forward as a receiver this year. I think half his issues are just staying healthy.

All they have to do is target him and he would take a step forward.

 

[quickccc]

Trey had a pretty good showing, IMO. His mobility is very good and threatens defenses in ways most QB’s don’t. In the regular season, the key would be putting together a game plan that would play to his strength’s and use his legs to extend drives.

Now, clearly, Trey isn’t a threat to Dak and isn’t ready to be a starter in this league, but if he show’s pretty well in the last PS game, I’d be fine with rolling with him as the backup. That’s just IMO, of course. I think they could do enough with the play calling to have some success in the regular season and move the ball if Dak gets hurt. Let Lance continue to grow and see what you have toward the end of the season.

If the coaches like what they’ve seen in January, then do what you can to sign him for a couple more seasons, if possible.

Like I said, he’s no threat to Prescott but the guy definitely has huge upside once he’s had enough time to develop some.

That’s just my two cents worth on the backup QB.

Football politics aside .. i don't think Trey Lance should be even a threat to Cooper Rush as the No.2 backup ,,forbid an injury to Dak .

i'm still seeing a Lance that is throwing behind receivers, having them overwork to twist and contour to make difficult catches,..one that bails when he's confused about his progression reads , and just not accurate - especially the further he has to throw it vertically downfield .

though i'll always be concerned about the lack of power in arm strength, I trust Cooper's knack for the pass game, rhythm and familiarity with the Cowboys offense over a still very inconsistent and raw game Lance..

i'd be cool with Lance staying as 3rd QB this year and developing in next years' offseason-preseason should he re-sign with us.

 

[Blast From The Past]

To me, a 2nd round pick should be a bigger impact guy than what you are likely to get from Schoonmaker at this point. He's nothing all that special at TE. So if he can be a solid backup, great, but the reality is the Cowboys likely need their 2nd round picks to be bigger impact guys (especially considering they sit out FA) than what Schoon likely will be. So to me, he's kind of a wasted 2nd round pick if all he amounts to is a decent backup to Ferguson.

Maybe Schoon is second because Ferg is just much better. Maybe the Cowboys didn't think he meaning Ferg was gonna grow but after drafting Schoon in the infamous second round and Ferg was king at TE and got better and better as the season progressed Schoon is now a backup. Just his luck not meant to insult him, he got beat out by a better player. Doesn't mean Schoon is bad but I get it we need more out out our second rounders in these parts. I kinda like John Stephens as a third TE even over Hendershot.

 

[75boyz]

Obviously this is prefaced with the reality that often times we were facing guys who might not even make the Raiders 53, nevertheless:

- There looks to be some players and depth in the secondary. Thomas really stood out last night. And frankly, I have some concerns about the pass rush so having a strong secondary might be very important for us. Booth got beat but then had some nice plays later. He looks like a nice 4th or 5th CB.

- Granted, Lawrence and Parsons aren't playing but there doesn't appear to be "much" at DE behind them. I thought Kneeland looked good against the run but he looks pretty blah at this point as a pass rusher. With that, though, is the understanding that rookies often aren't big impact players at DE save for the elite guys and Kneeland was admittedly raw coming into the league. This team could really use a backup like a Fowler IMO.

- Lance was ehhhh. He struggled early against some of the Raiders 1st teamers and got better as the game went on. Was that him settling in or the fact the level of talent on D dropped off during the game? He is definitely a real threat with his legs. He still seems to lack any touch on some of his passes but at least this game he made a nice throw on that one fade whereas last week he made a terrible throw on a similar play.

- LB looks like they should be OK assuming Overshown isn't going to be always nicked up. With him, Liufau and a couple others, they are certainly going to be able to get out there and fly around. Liufau looked decent, showing good athleticism but a couple of times he overran or got churned up due to his aggressiveness and that was an issue he had at ND.

- I still am not sure what to think of DT. But the fact even Jerry kind of hinted they need help, I think we can say it's still a concern.

- Vaughn looked pretty good but he's unforunately, a situational guy at best.

- Schoonmaker was decent enough. Setting aside the fact we wasted a 2nd rounder on him, he looks like a competent backup to Ferguson.

- Both Guyton and Beebe looked good. Guyton got some nice reps against the better players on the Raiders DL. It makes you wonder if there is ever a thought of Beebe playing LG, Tyler Smith playing LT and Guyton playing RT if Steele can't rebound in Year 2 removed from the ACL injury.

Agree on pretty much everything, especially the oline positions.

 

[khiladi]

Can you imagine if Dak had a stat line if 15/23 for 151 yards?

You mean like Dak year 3, pre-Amari..

In game 1 against the panthers, Scored a whopping 8 points, all of them came in the 4th, meaning stat padding, and threw for 170 yards. Count the sacks, 138 yards.. also fumbled..

Or in game 3, against the Seahawks, a whopping 137 yards, counting the sacks, otherwise 168 yards and 2 INTs and his only TD as usual, in garbage time in the 4th.

Or 2017, Eagles, 145 yards and 3 INTs on 31 attempts. Count the sacks it’s 113 yards.

Or the Chargers, threw 2 picks and 179 yards.

Or the Falcons.. 176 yards on 30 attempts.. count the sacks, 126 yards.. threw a pick on the first drive, but it was negated by an off sides. The only drive they scored on..

 

[Brax]

Can you imagine if Dak had a stat line if 15/23 for 151 yards?

He has and the general homer consensus is it was everyone else’s fault.

 

[Chasing6]

He has and the general homer consensus is it was everyone else’s fault.

So I guess he played well in those games. I mean if Trance did right.

 

[TwentyOne]

- Lance was ehhhh. He struggled early against some of the Raiders 1st teamers and got better as the game went on. Was that him settling in or the fact the level of talent on D dropped off during the game? He is definitely a real threat with his legs. He still seems to lack any touch on some of his passes but at least this game he made a nice throw on that one fade whereas last week he made a terrible throw on a similar play.

Raiders first team D played the full first half. And some of them during the second. At least thats what the commentators said.

 

[Brax]

So I guess he played well in those games. I mean if Trance did right.

Never said TL did just responded to your-
“Can you imagine if Dak had a stat line if 15/23 for 151 yards”
I guess you don’t know that Dak never has a bad game, so by your standards I guess TL didn’t either