Three waves of off season

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I think a lot of you are forgetting that there are multiple waves of times to improve a team in the off season. These include the following:

1. Traditional free agency (current wave). In this wave, tons of money is spent, and usually teams will lament overspending in free agency more often than they will benefit from it. The longer you wait, the shallower the pool, but the less you tend to pay. Moreover beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

2. The draft. The draft is the bread and butter of the talent acquisition process. It provides cheap, reliable labor for teams, and if they draft well, and lock up players on new contracts before they hit free agency, other teams don't get a chance to pry them away from you.

3. Post Draft Free Agency: After teams draft they are often forced to cut players that they would rather keep. Cheap labor acquired in the draft forces players off of teams due to the roster limits imposed by the league. The problem with this 3rd wave is that you really don't know who will become available, but players changing teams in this stage are often better quality and also come at a lower cost. For example Brandon Carr is on this team now (even with his bloated contract), but after the draft we might cut him to save cap space. If he were cut prior to the first wave of free agency, he might command a much bigger contract than after the free agent dollars start to dry up. If I remember correctly, we got Leroy Glover in this wave of free agency at a discount, because most of the teams had already spent most of their free agency capital before he hit the market.

4. Trades. If a hole is big enough, it can generally be filled via trade. The exception to that rule is generally teams will not trade a franchise QB. But a marginal starter can generally be acquired to fill a gaping hole at most other positions, if it is that bad.


We aren't even through the first wave of the talent acquisition process folks!!!! Lighten up!!!
 

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One things for sure, we're going to add vets between now and the draft. Probably three or four players.
 

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I could see us being much more active in the third wave (post draft) of free agency than the current wave.
 

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I also like the fact that we have kept some of our core mid tier players this year. I think the re-signings so far have been prudent use of cap dollars and have enabled us to not be pressed for needs, with the lone exception being defensive end. I hope we stick to our guns and don't press in that area. Wee don't need another Shane' Carver or Ekuban with the 4th pick overall. I don't think Bosa is worth the investment of draft capital at #4 overall.
 

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Sorry, Virginia, June1stmas does not really exist anymore.

The days of lucking out on a La'Roi Glover are pretty much over.
 

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Sorry, Virginia, June1stmas does not really exist anymore.

The days of lucking out on a La'Roi Glover are pretty much over.

Exactly, the only July cuts are way overpaid vets on the decline and if there are any decent ones they will sign with a percieved contender.
 

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One things for sure, we're going to add vets between now and the draft. Probably three or four players.

Two of which are Robinson and Morris. That's two down.
 

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I never forget about June 1stmas.

I'm making a list. Checking it twice.
 

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Two of which are Robinson and Morris. That's two down.

Maybe. It looks like we'll be adding to the secondary, for sure. But there are always guys added at this point in FA to cover us at positions prior to the draft.
 

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Maybe. It looks like we'll be adding to the secondary, for sure. But there are always guys added at this point in FA to cover us at positions prior to the draft.

That's what I'm counting on.

If signing Robinson, Morris and Manawa means we then don't have to force a pick and bypass a quarterback at #4? I'll consider that a 'Win' at this point.
 

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Sorry, Virginia, June1stmas does not really exist anymore.

The days of lucking out on a La'Roi Glover are pretty much over.

Man someone must have really pissed in your Cheerios for you to be such a sarcastic sour puss!!
 

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Exactly, the only July cuts are way overpaid vets on the decline and if there are any decent ones they will sign with a percieved contender.

I agree that the cuts after June 1 tend to be older guys, who were previously overpaid (sort of like Brandon Carr) but that doesn't mean that you can't sign one to help you on a cap friendly deal.
 

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I thought Leroy Glover "might" have been one such example. But but I guess me being inaccurate about that fact supports your argument that we CAN'T sign anyone after the draft and during roster cut downs? Is that where you are going with this? LOL.

Pointed out that you were wrong. You being "inaccurate about that fact" sure doesn't make your case look any better.

"LOL" about that fact.
 

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That's what I'm counting on.

If signing Robinson, Morris and Manawa means we then don't have to force a pick and bypass a quarterback at #4? I'll consider that a 'Win' at this point.

I'd be happy at this point to land Mayowa. It's probably not likely, but we really don't want to go into the draft needing players at two key positions, even with the high picks.
 

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Pointed out that you were wrong. You being "inaccurate about that fact" sure doesn't make your case look any better.

"LOL" about that fact.

You pointed out that I was not accurate about Glover in my initial post, which was qualified in my initial post as potentially not being accurate. Why do you think that is significant? Are you taking the position that we can't sign players who are cut after the draft? If so that is a pretty silly position to take.
 

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You pointed out that I was not accurate about Glover in my initial post, which was qualified in my initial post as potentially not being accurate. Why do you think that is significant? Are you taking the position that we can't sign players who are cut after the draft? If so that is a pretty silly position to take.

I'm taking the position that the name that you cited as a successful example of a post draft signing wasn't.
 

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I'd be happy at this point to land Mayowa. It's probably not likely, but we really don't want to go into the draft needing players at two key positions, even with the high picks.

Signing Mayowa should not in any way have any effect on our draft strategy. I have not read anything from Raiders' fans that indicate they give a flip about keeping or losing him. One poster said the only time you hear his name is when he screws up. Does not make any plays.
 
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