Three Years From Today (Dec. 21st)

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There are really two main premises of what will happen in or around 2012 in regards to the plane of the Milky Way. The first was popularized by John Major Jenkins back in 1998, and it deals with an apparent alignment, as viewed from Earth. To quote him:
Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is, right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way, is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years. [page XXXIX, italics are his]
The bottom line of my theory is that the ancient Maya chose the 2012 end-date because this is the date on which occurs a rare alignment of the solstice sun with the Galactic Center. [page XLI, italics are his]
The Long Count calendar is a galactic calendar because it pinpoints a rare alignment with our Milky Way Galaxy, due to occur in A.D. 2012 – a date written as 13.0.0.0.0 in the Long Count.

However, he gets the dates wrong, and corrects it in a later book published in 2002:
Early on in my research, I recognized that the solstice-galaxy alignment would occur around 1998 or 1999. This was based on precise astronomical concepts (e.g. galactic equator and solstice colure) and a rough estimate I made with EZCosmos astronomy software, confirmed by the calculations of European astronomer Jean Meeus and the US Naval Observatory. I’ll have more to say about this precise timing in chapter 21, but suffice it to say two things here. First, the fourteen-year error between 1998 and 2012 amounts to less than one-fifth of a degree – a tiny sliver of the width of the full moon and thus negligible, considering it is a forward calculation in precession of at least 2,000 years. Second, the sun itself is one-half a degree wide, so an alignment zone between 1980 and 2016 must be allowed, thus embracing the 2012 end-date. [page 12]
His math is a little wrong – 0.2° is actually 40% of the width of the full moon, not a tiny sliver, but I’ll forgive that for the sake of just presenting his argument.


Journalist Lawrence Joseph expanded upon this in his own book, Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization’s End. In a statement to USA Today, he said:
Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that “whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time,” Joseph writes.
Why This Is Wrong

Jenkins’ premise is actually somewhat correct in the sense that, yes, the sun will be somewhat near the plane of the galaxy as seen from Earth around the winter solstice in 2012. But not anywhere near Sag A*. And there’s nothing mystical about the plane of the galaxy … in fact, the sun passes “through” it as seen from Earth once a year. It just so happens that for the last ~300 years through the next ~300 years, this will happen to coincide with mid-December – winter solstice in the Northern hemisphere and summer in the Southern. There is really NOTHING special about this other than New-Age woo and mysticism.
The Second of Two Ideas of the Galactic Center/Plane and its Relation to 2012

The second idea is that our solar system will actually pass through the plane of the galaxy on December 21, 2012 — instead of an apparent alignment, this version of the claim is that it is a physical alignment. I’m sure others believe it, but the person I have heard this from is Brent Miller of the Horizon Project. Now, just from a practical standpoint, I want to make this point: Brent and the folks at the Horizon Project claim to have incontrovertible proof that Earth will suffer considerably in 2012 due to various things. However, they don’t provide that information on their website (thehorizonproject.com). Rather, they want you to order their DVD for “only $24.95 each!” Now, capitalism is great and all that, but you would think that if they really want to help people survive this thing when they literally claim that up to half the world’s population will die within a day, then they’d be putting out as much free information as possible.


Note that the material and quotes in this section of the post come from Miller’s interview by George Noory on Coast-to-Coast AM from November 10, 2008.


Anyway … their idea is based on a few major false premises. Their scenario is that our galaxy has a central, massive black hole (this is true). Stars oscillate up and down through the plane of the galaxy (this is also true, as I explained in the beginning of this post). This black hole sends out gravity waves (this is predicted by Einstein, but has never been proven). These gravity waves radiate along the plane of the galaxy, creating a “dark rift” zone that is filled with asteroid-sized dust material (this is where it starts to get … incorrect would be the most polite term, or perhaps unproven and unlikely). In addition to being populated by this potentially dangerous material, it has “a very very large intense gravitational field to it, and it takes about 20 years for our planet and the solar system to pass through it.”


Miller makes many claims as to the effects that crossing through this “dark rift” would have on Earth, the bulk of which is called a “pole shift” that I will address in a future blog posting in this series on Planet X and 2012. For the purpose of this post, I am solely going to address his mechanism for doomsday, which is us passing through this “dark rift.”
Why This Is Wrong

First off, keep in mind that this is the entire mechanism for all of Miller’s doomsday predictions (that will be addressed in a future post, as the “pole shift” topic is quite extensive and has its own branch of pseudoscience surrounding it). Consequently, if I can show that his entire mechanism is flawed, then it should cast serious doubt upon his predictions.


And, I can do that fairly easily by referring to the data in the second section of this post: The sun right now is above the midplane of the galaxy by 35-70 light-years, and it’s still moving away from it. It is NOT, as Miller claims, currently in the middle of a 20-year process of moving through this midplane. It is far from it. And, if he has actual data (as in real science) to back up his claim of the sun’s position in the galaxy, then why doesn’t he publish it in the scientific literature? If nothing else, this should make someone seriously question his mechanism, and hence his claims. And ask for actual evidence that can be independently tested.


There’s another reason why this is wrong. The galactic midplane is not this abrupt region of increased gravity. This is a common misconception in astronomy, that galaxies are “solid” objects. All the midplane is is a non-pysical, mathematical 2-D plane where if you add all the gravity from the material below it and above it, then you get the largest possible value. Go a little above it, and there is more mass below you that will pull you back down (eventually). Go a little below it, and the reverse happens.


It is true that, simply by a “settling” of material over time, there is a greater density of stars and gas and dust the closer to this plane that you get. And there’s less as you get farther away.


A reasonable way to think of this is like a valley, or a gently sloped, shallow bowl. If you’re near the top of the valley or the rim of the bowl, then you are going to get pulled down towards the center. And then your momentum will carry you past the center, and you’ll climb back up the other side. And when your momentum runs out, you’ll fall back down towards the center, and this cycle will repeat.


What Miller wants to throw in there is effectively a brick wall … or perhaps a wall of molasses. In his scenario, when you get to the center, you hit that wall and will be affected by something that only exists in the center of the bowl (or valley). What I am saying is that the galaxy is not built that way, there’s no wall, no “dark rift” no “very very large intense gravitational field” to the central few hundred billion kilometers that’s filled with Planet Xs and asteroids and other dangers that will cause doomsday to happen in the neighborhood of 2012.


(stolen shamlessly from a debunking doomsday site)


http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/20...n-wrong-astronomy-about-a-galactic-alignment/


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in all seriousness i don't see the point in worrying about it. if the poles do shift or we get mass earthquakes, volcano's etc theres not a whole heap we'll be able to do anyway. as far as the mayan thing i'm sorry but i'm not worried about that.
 

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zrinkill;3167250 said:
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UPDATE:Nibiru has changed its name to Galactus.
 

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Response to zrinkill's post.

IF in fact gravitational waves DO exist, (although all attempts to measure them have failed) there would be a areas within the waves field that very well could be quite nasty. This is a known affect of waves, especially if wavelengths can be altered by exterior forces.

Take for instances the random monster waves that occur off the coast of South Africa. Those of course are caused current going one direction and wind blowing in the opposite direction. Waves start to get pushed back and merge with other waves, then finally so many merge that the wave becomes massive enough to sink ships.

Obviously gravitational waves would require the same type forces to merge them together to cause something nasty like that (directionally competing waves maybe causing a chaotic ripple effect), otherwise they would stay uniform to their creation.

Some believe that after crossing the galaxy mid plane that the earths poles will shift and show an example of that happening by pointing out a water vortex's directional spin in a draining basin based on northern/southern hemisphere as proof. They do this because they don't understand why it does that. It is based on the natural spin of the earth, centrifugal forces and someones specific location / perspective, not any gravitational waves or rift.

As the water moves downward to the drain, the earth is spinning so the water gets slightly deflected in one direction causing it to spin as it goes down in that direction. Imagine you where on a spinning carousel spinning to the left. If you had a ball and you released that ball outward, it would appear to you as though the ball was moving away and curving the the right. (the Coriolis effect) Now, if you were standing on the opposite side (southern hemisphere) it would appear to curve to the left as you are inverted therefore the forces to your upright stance are also inverted. (if you threw a ball up, it would be throwing it down to someone upside down) So there goes the water spins the opposite way in the basin. Your perspective decides which way the vortex appears to be spinning.

It's actually spinning in the same exact direction to both northern and southern hemisphere. People in the southern hemisphere are just viewing it from below while northern hemisphere are viewing it from above!
 

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ROMOSAPIEN9;3167353 said:
It's the 21st because it's on the winter solstice which is the 21st each year.

In all seriousness.......

What is true is that the Earth on that date will pass through the plain of our galaxy. Going from the upper plain to the lower. That is supposed to shift the poles on Earth (scientist have proven that the poles have shifted many times throughout history.) When that happens the core of the Earth is supposed to shift thereby changing the poles and every volcano is supposed to erupt with a fury, Blocking out the sun and creating essentially a nuclear winter.

You might not be laughing then.

Do I think it's gonna happen? .......no, because if it does, then that means everything was preordained from the beginning, and I don't believe that for a second.

I don't think it would mean that everything was preordained. It would mean that someone was very good at using patterns of the cosmos, the magnetic poles and such to predict what may/will occur in the future. There is so much variation in the data for anyone to come to a specific date for such an event to occur, but I don't think it is a stretch to predict that a pole shift can occur.

For example, there is an asteroid heading for Earth that will arrive in about 2029. They can track its past path and determine its future trajectory. They have a rough estimate of how close it will get to the Earth on its way to the sun. They don't know how close it will get when it goes around the sun and heads back towards the Earth a few years later. Scientists can tell a lot from the data, but they can't predict everything. There is just too much information that they don't have to be extremely precise on this asteroids full trajectory. I think the same applies with predicting when the solar system will pass through the galaxy plain or when the poles will shift. Of the two things it is easier track a single asteroid.
 

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ROMOSAPIEN9;3167353 said:
Do I think it's gonna happen? .......no, because if it does, then that means everything was preordained from the beginning, and I don't believe that for a second.


That's because predestination was doomed from the start.
 

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joseephuss;3167108 said:
Is it the 21st or the 12th? I have heard both referenced as the doomsday date. It would suck for the world to end twice in the same month.

It depends on whether you're dyslexic or not...

Personally, I saw dyslexic, but I'm KO now...
 

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There has been 75 predictions for the world to end within the years of 1800-2020, this one was just the first in 12 years, so that makes it legit.
 
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