Tim Hasselbeck On The Backup QB position

Alexander

What's it going to be then, eh?
Messages
62,482
Reaction score
67,294
Brings up valid points.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...omo-friendly-offense-good-reason-poor-qb-play

DMN: You were a backup in the NFL. So do you think it's acceptable that the Cowboys did so poorly when their offense was being run by Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden and Kellen Moore?

Tim Hasselbeck: I had this conversation with my brother [Matt Hasselbeck], had this conversation with my brother when he was a starter and I was a backup. I've had different conversations with him since he's not been the starter. So what I would say -- is it acceptable? Here's the way that I think I've always, especially after being an analyst, looked at it: If your backup has to play four games, I think that you hope that he can split them. I think if you were to go around to every situation, especially every situation that has got a Pro Bowler at quarterback -- if [New England's ] Jimmy Garoppolo had to play four games, he should split them. Think back to when [Tom] Brady was going to be suspended, people would have been happy with two out of four and getting Brady back, right? They would have been. So if Russell Wilson gets hurt, can Tarvaris Jackson go 2-2 in four starts? I think that's one of the reasons there was a lot of excitement around what Indy was doing with my brother. It was like, 'Oh my gosh. This guy starts two games, wins two, starts two more, wins those two. Like wait a second, the backup just won four games. That's unheard of.' Is it acceptable for a backup to go 1-7 or 1-8 or whatever the situation is, is it acceptable? No, I don't think it is. I think if you're a backup -- listen, I started what amounts to be five games and I won one. My career didn't last very long because of that. So, I do think the standard is, yeah, you have to play winning football. Otherwise, you shouldn't continue to get jobs as a backup. I guess what I would say, is that is it acceptable? No. I think you need to do that. I think it would be unfair to the personnel department in Dallas to say -- if Aaron Rodgers were to miss half the season, I'm not sure [Green Bay's] record would be much better. We saw Carson Palmer go down [in 2014] and we saw what happened to Arizona. With Carson Palmer, everybody thinks Bruce Arians is the best offensive play-caller on the planet. Is it acceptable? No. Would other teams find themselves in that same exact position? I think they would. I don't know if the [Cowboys] left themselves completely unprotected, I guess is the best way I can say it. In all seriousness, could they have paid my brother $4 million to be their backup? Yeah, they could have. He was due to be a free agent [in 2015] . They could have. But if they would have made that move, people would have thought they were crazy to make that move. So, it's easy for us to sit here now and be like, 'Hey, they should have done that.'

DMN: In 2009 Jerry Jones said he wanted to make the offense "Romo friendly." Do you believe the Cowboys' offense this year was too "Romo friendly," which made it harder for the backups to pick up the system and function within its parameters?

Tim Hasselbeck: I'll give you an example. I think Seattle is doing the right thing with somebody like Tarvaris Jackson as their backup because Tarvaris has started a bunch of games before so they are a team has high aspirations. Say Russell Wilson pulls his hamstring in the NFC Championship Game - do you have a guy who has played enough football that he can hopefully get you a win? Or is his skill-set similar enough that you're just doing the same things, but hopefully you're allowing for Russell's personality as a quarterback to shine through when he's there? Yet you can do the same things if it were Tarvaris Jackson. But take the Titans for example with [Marcus] Mariota as their starter and [Zach] Mettenberger as their backup -- they just aren't a fit. There are things you would prefer to do with Mettenberger that you would have never installed, thinking that Mariota is going to be your starter. I think with what Dallas does offensively -- there are a lot of guys that should be able to play in that system, just with their personality. Look at Andy Reid. Andy Reid has run a version of the West Coast offense for a very long period of time. He's had success with Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, Koy Detmer, A.J. Feeley, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, Nick Foles, you name it. He's had success with a bunch of different guys in that same exact system. When you look at what Dallas does, it's package-based. It's run games with checks. It's isolation matchups with Dez [Bryant]. It's option routes with Jason Witten. Honestly, Matt Cassel should be equipped for that. [Brandon] Weeden is a first-round draft pick that has been a starter. He should be equipped to do that. I don't know if that is a good reason for poor play at the position.
 

basstapp

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,667
Reaction score
886
The best part of this entire story is the Colts have a bad O-line, an average RB and a bad defense, but they still won games with a backup QB. Heck they could have been in the playoffs if Luck would have sit down when he was originally injured.
 

percyhoward

Research Tool
Messages
17,062
Reaction score
21,861
Over the last four seasons, teams (other than Dallas) are 32-23-1 (.582) when the QB who led them to the playoffs the previous year misses a game due to injury.

2012 (3-2)
Pit 1-2
SF 2-0

2013 (4-5-1)
Hou 0-1
GB 2-4-1
Min 2-0

2014 (7-4)
KC 1-0
Phi 4-4
Car 2-0

2015 (18-12)
Pit 3-2
Ind 6-3
Cin 2-1
Bal 2-4
Den 5-2
 

CATCH17

1st Round Pick
Messages
67,664
Reaction score
86,205
The QBs suck and the coaches did nothing to scheme around poor qb play to steal games

That sums it up

It was like the OL for years.

Yes the Oline was bad but the coaches did nothing to help them out.
 

CATCH17

1st Round Pick
Messages
67,664
Reaction score
86,205
The best part of this entire story is the Colts have a bad O-line, an average RB and a bad defense, but they still won games with a backup QB. Heck they could have been in the playoffs if Luck would have sit down when he was originally injured.


This....
 

Vanilla2

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,616
Reaction score
9,035
No excuse with the OL we have, the QB's were misused.

How? Are you saying Weeden was told to go out and check down all game? How was Cassel misused? And lastly how could've the coaches stopped moores hesitancy to throw the ball?
 

Vanilla2

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,616
Reaction score
9,035
The QBs suck and the coaches did nothing to scheme around poor qb play to steal games

That sums it up

Weeden was part of the system for 2 years.

Are you giving him a pass by not having a firm grasp on the scheme after all that time?
 

noshame

I'm not dead yet......
Messages
14,947
Reaction score
13,437
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
How? Are you saying Weeden was told to go out and check down all game? How was Cassel misused? And lastly how could've the coaches stopped moores hesitancy to throw the ball?

The offense was taylored to Tony, as soon as Tony went down and we new it was long term we should have made adjustments, we did not. The only reason we were checking down was EVERYBODY knows our offense, it's no surprise people go elsewhere and have success. Even Tony was struggling this year. I'm not saying anybody was super star potential, we simply didn't help anybody out. I couldn't help as soon as the OC's boy(Moore) jumped in we started making some adjustments. Go figure
 

Sarge

Red, White and Brew...
Staff member
Messages
33,773
Reaction score
31,540
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Over the last four seasons, teams (other than Dallas) are 32-23-1 (.582) when the QB who led them to the playoffs the previous year misses a game due to injury.

2012 (3-2)
Pit 1-2
SF 2-0

2013 (4-5-1)
Hou 0-1
GB 2-4-1
Min 2-0

2014 (7-4)
KC 1-0
Phi 4-4
Car 2-0

2015 (18-12)
Pit 3-2
Ind 6-3
Cin 2-1
Bal 2-4
Den 5-2

Great post.
 

sbark

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,213
Reaction score
4,407
Cowboys went 12-4 last year. We're viewed as a team on the rise. The rest of the league went to work on Garett's scheme, broke it down, figured it out. That is why even tony was struggling, weedon and castle had no chance. It happens every year to hot teams, the best systems get tweaked and changed up a little to combat other teams studying them....apparently Cowboys were slow to do so.
 

FaSho

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,334
Reaction score
2,148
Very good points.

Funny side note: I misread the thread title because I read it too fast. I thought you were suggesting we sign Tim as our backup lol
 

robjay04

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,240
Reaction score
14,068
The best part of this entire story is the Colts have a bad O-line, an average RB and a bad defense, but they still won games with a backup QB. Heck they could have been in the playoffs if Luck would have sit down when he was originally injured.

Hasselbeck is also a better player, he was a franchise QB for the Seahawks, 3X pro bowler and led his team to the superbowl. If Hasselbeck won his SB appearance, he would hear HOF chatter.

Big difference compared to Brandon Weeden.
 

DandyDon52

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,783
Reaction score
16,658
Bottom line is other coaches win with bkups at a rate of 50%.
Dallas and JG was 0% over a lot of games, not just 1 or 2 games.
 

JPostSam

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,810
Reaction score
1,481
sounds like hasselbeck is saying that his brother played better than could have been expected, and our guys played worse than could have been expected.

that sounds about right...

(although i never expected .500 ball from weeden, and i doubt that many others did, either.)
 

Mr Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
26,612
Reaction score
32,654
Hasselbeck is also a better player, he was a franchise QB for the Seahawks, 3X pro bowler and led his team to the superbowl. If Hasselbeck won his SB appearance, he would hear HOF chatter.

Big difference compared to Brandon Weeden.

And he was available the past off season, but Garrett and company chose to stick with Weeden.
 

Wolfpack

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,696
Reaction score
3,973
Cowboys went 12-4 last year. We're viewed as a team on the rise. The rest of the league went to work on Garett's scheme, broke it down, figured it out. That is why even tony was struggling, weedon and castle had no chance. It happens every year to hot teams, the best systems get tweaked and changed up a little to combat other teams studying them....apparently Cowboys were slow to do so.

It wasn't just last year. The offensive has been predicable for years, last year they changed to a running game which made the difference.
 

JBS

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,385
Reaction score
23,824
Weeden was part of the system for 2 years.

Are you giving him a pass by not having a firm grasp on the scheme after all that time?

What part of the QBs sucked...led you to believe I was giving any of the QBs a pass?
 
Top