Tim MacMahon needs a pat on the back

[WoodysGirl]

He replied with a heartfelt pat on my back that he posted on numerous online forums.

Just want y'all to know, that's a link to THIS thread on the Zone.


Go Cowboys! :starspin

 

[2233boys]

At that time I, and about 70% of Cowboys Nation, still thought Julius Jones was going to find all that greatness he showed flashes of in 2004 and 2005 so of course we wanted the home run hitter on the field as the starter.

70% that is high, I didn't want him as a starter last season. If anyone watched the two objectively, they could see that Barber was the better runner two years ago. Most of Jones' carries were a waste of time.

Was this a threat? Was he trying to get me to admit that MBIII could be a feature RB? Was I the only one last June to think that Jones was going to go back to form and stop running like a robot? Did I ever say in those comments that I wanted MBIII out of the picture? Did I say MBIII stinks? Do I want Darren McFadden on the Dallas Cowboys?

Yes you were the only one, Jones isn't a good running back, in fact he is below average. I wouldn't mind McFadden at 22, but no way in hell should Dallas trade up to get him. We need to build depth on the team, and already have a good rb, if we want someone else to spell him or with the ability to take it to the house, we can get that at our current picks.

 

[2233boys]

So I guess Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett should have been fired for starting Jones for 16 games this season, lol.

They should be questioned as should Bill Parcells, because that was straight up ********. Jones was horrible this year.

 

[2233boys]

No. I think there's a valid reason we at least nominally started him -- his fragile ego required it. Whether he started or backed up didn't matter because they both received the same amount of drives. Simply giving him the first drive of every game was meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but likely meant a lot to Jones.

I agree the only reason he started was his ego, but that equates to bad coaching. Switching them every other drive or so was bad as well, Jones killed drives and/or possessions.

 

[theogt]

I agree the only reason he started was his ego, but that equates to bad coaching. Switching them every other drive or so was bad as well, Jones killed drives and/or possessions.

I think reasonable minds could have differed going into 2007 (though I agree with you myself), but by mid-season it was just painfully apparent. I just don't know that they had another option.

 

[2233boys]

Jones is a one hit wonder, he showed a lack of vision and a lack of diversty in his moves from day one. The league hadn't seen him before and didn't know what he was, so he produced. I got banned from two other forums as a troll for saying this exact thing when he was producing VERY well. He has been and always was very limited in his skill set and eventually that catches up to you in the NFL. Plus the ****** has been working on his upper body way too much for a running back, his arms got huge and his legs stayed the same, the guy doesn't get it, likely never will.
I will freely admit I am completely biased against him, I just don't like him, but that isn't something that was always true, he worked his way onto my "I wanna kick him in the balls" list.

Best response in the thread.

 

[Temo]

Forget all teh JJ/Barber stuff, that's been decided already. Anyone who wants to shell out top 10 money for another RB is not thinking clearly. We've got a back who could be a 1300-1500 yard guy next year, why pay that much cap space for another one?

 

[CF74]

Those were both 06-07 season weren't they.

Many moons ago

 

[dcfanatic]

70% that is high, I didn't want him as a starter last season. If anyone watched the two objectively, they could see that Barber was the better runner two years ago. Most of Jones' carries were a waste of time.

Yes you were the only one, Jones isn't a good running back, in fact he is below average. I wouldn't mind McFadden at 22, but no way in hell should Dallas trade up to get him. We need to build depth on the team, and already have a good rb, if we want someone else to spell him or with the ability to take it to the house, we can get that at our current picks.

Of course we know he stinks now, but we all wanted him to be the RB we saw flashes of from 2004 and 2005. Maybe we just thought 2006 was a bad season.

And I highly doubt I was the only one.

Even you at one point said to give him a break...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=436795&postcount=32

So don't act like you weren't in the mix with the rest of us at one point in thinking that Julius Jones could be something special.

 

[dcfanatic]

Best response in the thread.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=436795&postcount=32

Yeah, you always knew he stunk huh?

 

[2233boys]

Of course we know he stinks now, but we all wanted him to be the RB we saw flashes of from 2004 and 2005. Maybe we just thought 2006 was a bad season.

And I highly doubt I was the only one.

Even you at one point said to give him a break...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=436795&postcount=32

So don't act like you weren't in the mix with the rest of us at one point in thinking that Julius Jones could be something special.

That was in 2005. I said in 2006, (2 seasons ago) that Jones was wasting carries. Nice try though... I also wanted to draft him when he came out. But the point is, I didn't cling to that "HE IS A COWBOY" mentality and was able to recognize his weaknesses by the start of his second season. You on the other hand had to wait until this year. When did you jump from the JJ bandwagon, Week 3, week7 or was it the playoff game he didn't start?

 

[dcfanatic]

That was in 2005. I said in 2006, (2 seasons ago) that Jones was wasting carries. Nice try though... I also wanted to draft him when he came out. But the point is, I didn't cling to that "HE IS A COWBOY" mentality and was able to recognize his weaknesses by the start of his second season. You on the other hand had to wait until this year. When did you jump from the JJ bandwagon, Week 3, week7 or was it the playoff game he didn't start?

2005 was his second season bro.

Did he not rush for 1000 yards in 2006 with a 4.1 ypc avg and lead the team with 5 20+ yard runs?

Let's not act like he was a complete bum last June when I made those comments.

And when did I say 'ok. maybe it's time for the change to Barber based on the way the team responded to him'?

Probably around Week 5 or 6 of last season.

If you ask some people who listened to my show we all said Julius was going to get a chance to earn a contract ext and if he was faltering by then it was time for MBIII to get his chance.

I think Julius Jones' problem is that his vision as a RB is awful and when there were no huge holes for him he can't break a simple arm tackle like MBIII does. He had those holes in 2004 and 2005 and this is why he had all those big TD runs. His quickness into the hole is better than MBIII but his instincts are bad and he goes down way too easily.

 

[2233boys]

2005 was his second season bro.

Did he not rush for 1000 yards in 2006 with a 4.1 ypc avg and lead the team with 5 20+ yard runs?

Let's not act like he was a complete bum last June when I made those comments.

And when did I say 'ok. maybe it's time for the change to Barber based on the way the team responded to him'?

Probably around Week 5 or 6 of last season.

If you ask some people who listened to my show we all said Julius was going to get a chance to earn a contract ext and if he was faltering by then it was time for MBIII to get his chance.

I think Julius Jones' problem is that his vision as a RB is awful and when there were no huge holes for him he can't break a simple arm tackle like MBIII does. He had those holes in 2004 and 2005 and this is why he had all those big TD runs. His quickness into the hole is better than MBIII but his instincts are bad and he goes down way too easily.

He was a complete bum last June. You just couldn't see it. I saw it by Mid Season 2006.

You are right though that he lacks vision, and can't break tackles. He has had holes this year and last year and would run up the back of his line. He was and is an awfule back. I was wrong, in 2004 when I wanted to draft him, and in 2005 when I thought he still had potential, you were still wrong in June.

 

[DocFord]

Only the biggest homers were still calling Julia a home run threat last year.

He sucked from the start. He was lucky in that his first year he sat for half the season and we became a passing team and he came back and caught some teams with draw plays.

He has never, never, broke a tackle in the NFL or proven that he could do such a thing.

He's Hambrick II.

If he would have been drafted by the Commanders, we would have all laughed at him.