Time to be real at Wr....

[BigDFan5]

My friend, it was not I who allowed a vagueness into the argument. It was you. I was crystal clear. I will again post the facts as I stated them earlier.

Not a single Super Bowl winner in the last 6 years has had a WR go to the Pro Bowl in the year the Super Bowl was won.

is that clear enough for you? Is this free enough of "snide comments" for you? Shall I paint a picture of the previous 6 Super Bowl winners with their WR corp watching the Pro Bowl in front of their TV sets to illustrate?

DANGIT! I allowed a snide comment to creep in!

LMAO Wait which is it? in this post you say "not a single super bowl winner in the last 6 years"

That consist of 4 teams

Before this you said

And Cincinnati did the Ickey Shuffle once. It doesn't change the fact that the year the last 6 teams won the Super Bowl NOT ONE of their receivers went to the Pro Bowl

The last 6 teams totally change the argument because that takes away 3 years of Pats, and Brings the Rams, and Broncos into the conversation


So using the last 6 years post

3 of them are New England and 1 Baltimore no pro bowlers

2002 Tampa Pro Bowl WR 2001 didnt win the popularity contest in 2002 but was still coming off a pro bowl year

2005 Pitt, Hines ward had made 4 pro bowls 2001,2002,2003, and 2004

Was he suddenly not as good because he didnt win the popularity contest in 2005? You know him the superbowl MVP and all time Steelers reciveing leader

 

[2much2soon]

Biletnikoff? Warfield? Why don't you cite Festus Cooper? After all, he went to the Pro Bowl (then known as the Mercantile Bowl) back in 1814 out in the Montana Territory and his team won a Super Bowl (then known as the Wagon Wheel Bowl) 6 years later!

Got any support for your argument that's a little more - I don't know - current?

I have no support for my argument if you consider one team in the past 5 years to be the model while throwing out 40 years of actual performance.

I am sure the Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers, Miami Dolphins, San Francisco 49'ers, Denver Broncos, St. Louis Rams, Oakland Raiders, and Washington Commanders all would have preferred to not have their super star WRs playing for them in their Super Bowl seasons.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Biletnikoff? Warfield? Why don't you cite Festus Cooper? After all, he went to the Pro Bowl (then known as the Mercantile Bowl) back in 1814 out in the Montana Territory and his team won a Super Bowl (then known as the Wagon Wheel Bowl) 6 years later!

Got any support for your argument that's a little more - I don't know - current?

We'd have to rely on CBZ to tell us about ole Festus

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I have no support for my argument if you consider one team in the past 5 years to be the model while throwing out 40 years of actual performance.

No, I simply went back as far as I felt I needed to make the point I chose to make. That point was, once again, that having a Pro Bowl receiver on one's team is not a requirement for winning the Super Bowl or, dare I say, even contending for one. If you've nothing better to do with your time then research every Super Bowl ever played then I eagerly await the results.

So I will put it to you this way. Can you tell me which teams in Super Bowl history had a WR selected to the Pro Bowl in that same year? I'd be willing to bet it's fewer than 50% of the teams. I do know it's none of the last 6 Super Bowls.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

LMAO Wait which is it? in this post you say "not a single super bowl winner in the last 6 years"

That consist of 4 teams

Before this you said



The last 6 teams totally change the argument because that takes away 3 years of Pats, and Brings the Rams, and Broncos into the conversation


So using the last 6 years post

3 of them are New England and 1 Baltimore no pro bowlers

2002 Tampa Pro Bowl WR 2001 didnt win the popularity contest in 2002 but was still coming off a pro bowl year

2005 Pitt, Hines ward had made 4 pro bowls 2001,2002,2003, and 2004

Was he suddenly not as good because he didnt win the popularity contest in 2005? You know him the superbowl MVP and all time Steelers reciveing leader

Oh my GOODNESS! BigDFan5 scores a point on a technicality. Yes sir, you are correct. It was never my intention to state "the last 6 teams". Of course I meant the last 4 teams that won the last 6 Super Bowls and, of course, you conveniently left out the fact that I expressly said "the last 4 teams that won the last 6 Super Bowls" in an earlier post. Convenient oversight!

You can argue your point for all of 2007 if you like and I won't argue back. I actually agree that having a "top quality WR" would be great (and we have several now). Hines Ward can lead the league for the next 50 years and it won't change the facts as I stated them.

And whoever made the point earlier (Chocolate Lab?) about using the Pro Bowl as a benchmark is dead-on. It's a popularity contest - nothing more. As much as I hate the guy, Owens' stats say he should be there WAAAAY before Anquan Boldin.

All of this got started because of a few people who swear TO is actually - in all reality - the savior of all mankind. From that someone made the ridiculous assertion that "we must have a talent like TO if we're ever going to compete".

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Who do the Eagles have at WR?

Or the Patriots? Or the Chargers? Or the Bears?

I'm sick of this notion that we have to "replace" T.O. with some other big-name star, or someone else just as big and fast. We don't. WR is just about the least important component of a Super Bowl-winning team.

We do 'need' a star....our defense is not nearly as good as the defense of those teams....and we do not run the ball that well to be honest with you. And have you noticed some of the stinkers Brady, Rivers and Grossman put up against with that WR corps. I have said it 100 times. It's about how you force people to defend you. If you line up with Glenn, Crayton, Hurd and Rector next year...everyone will be calling for Romo to be benched. Part of Romo's success has been the easy reads he gets due to the respect BOTH of the guys we have on the outside command

I will continue to beat the drum I have been beating for 2 years now...the Texans are going no where...Carr will be cut....Andre Johnson is wasting away in Houston...I would make a move for him with a draft pick. I DO NOT want to see another 1st day pick used on a LBer or DL...between Spears and Canty, make one of those bums play backup NT....Let Hatcher start in their place and keep it moving. Our 7M coach needs to coach the toys he has be acquiring on defense up....we cannot allow Romo to regress....we have found a QB fall in our laps...let's show some appreciation by getting him a more consisten running game and grooming replacements for Glenn/Owens

 

[conner01]

it's nice to have great wr's, but you can win with average wr's if your oline can protect the qb long enough for them to get open, and your qb can get them the ball, and they can catch it.
brady does alot with nothing because he has the time and he's pretty dang good.
romo can be suceesful with glenn, and the crew without t.o. if we get the oline fixed where we can run the ball and have the time to find who is open.
the nice thing about great wr's is they beat their man, well given time every wr can beat their man.if we don't bring back t.o. we had better fix the oline or romo will not be successful