Time to get off Zimmer's back...?

[Doomsday101]

Zimmers play calling nearly cost of the game against the Chargers. I am sure how we remember how Brees had no problems leading his team down field and all of us were sweatin it out with only seconds left in the game.

How many 4th quarter leads does this guy have to blow before people see he is not good at all.

Parcells went away from Zimmers so called best D to the 3-4. What does that tell you. We had a weak schedule in 03 with made our D look better then it really was. But 2004 showed Zimmer for who he is. So far 2005 is doing a good job of that to. Nearly blowin the lead against the Chargers and then his play calling blowing it against the Commanders.

A few more games like these 1st 2 and you can say good by to Zimmer after this year.

Zimmer did not allow the chargers to hit a 3rd and 27 aginst the chargers nor did the blow the double on Moss last week players did that. As for what Bill thinks of Zimmer he has put him in charge of a defense he has not coached bfore that tells me he has a lot of faith in Zimmer ability to be a DC. Bill could havce easily replaced Zimmer had he felt that Zimmer could not do the job. Lastly players were in position to make plays in both the chargers and skins game and did not do it (except for the Glenn int in the chargers game) I don't care who the DC is when plays are there to the taking and the player does not capitalize on that then that is not coaching.

 

[Wolverine]

Zimmer did not allow the chargers to hit a 3rd and 27 aginst the chargers nor did the blow the double on Moss last week players did that. As for what Bill thinks of Zimmer he has put him in charge of a defense he has not coached bfore that tells me he has a lot of faith in Zimmer ability to be a DC. Bill could havce easily replaced Zimmer had he felt that Zimmer could not do the job. Lastly players were in position to make plays in both the chargers and skins game and did not do it (except for the Glenn int in the chargers game) I don't care who the DC is when plays are there to the taking and the player does not capitalize on that then that is not coaching.

Ah yes the usual excuses for Zimmer. Nothing is ever Zimmers fault. It is always someone elses fault. Funny how other DCs do not have these problems with their defenses year after year. After so many years excuses like this no longer have any weight and you have to look and see what the real problem is. The problem is Mike Zimmer.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Glenn got beat and Williams stayed up a bit too long on a crossing route.

Sorry that is not Zimmer's fault.

One thing you guys refuse to acknowledge is that we already have 7 sacks tied for fourth in the league. We have 3 interceptions which has us tied for 5th.

For the past several years you guys have been saying that his passive scheme blah blah blah. Well now you have gotten what you wanted and now youre still whining its pathetic.

Its a new defense and our LBers are definitely having a hard time adjusting. They are letting receivers run by them without a jam time after time which certainly contributed to Glenn haveing problems when Moss was making his double moves.

I mean you talk of Zimmer as a coach and adjustments etc. In the San Diego gameWare was getting pinned inside repeatedly for overcommitting. He goes to the sideline and Zimmer talks to him and on the next series he gets a tackle for loss on the same play.

This defense is a work in progress but Zimmer is putting his players in position to make plays. Glover, Canty, Spears, Henry, Newman, Dat, Roy when not covering deep all look very good, making sacks tackles for loss and picks.

The dfensive line rotation is working and when they start to feel comfortable in their base our average yardage numbers will improve.

This was all expected actually I was thinking the defense was going to perform much worse.

One thing I definitely see is a bunch of guys seeing a bunch of problems and throwing out words like high school and peewee but at the same time do not provide any sort of counterexample.

Ive seen zone blitzes and delayed blitzes and overloads and dogs and stunts and slants all come from our players. We show blitz then back off we blitz from standard defensive alignments. So exactly what is this exotic blitz package that you talk of?

Really i just see a bunch of malcontents that dont like losing so they go for an easy target over and over again. Myopic fans always start blaming the coach.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well.....he is good because Bill kept him......and we all know....Bill doesn't make any mistakes

Good lord. This about as childish response as you will find on any board. You think you're clever...the only think I am missing is your rolling eyes.


I don't think ANYONE believes BP doesn't make mistakes. Now what *MOST* fans do is support the team. You even a fan?

Not saying you can't criticise, but go easy on the condescension.



About Zimmer, he's a decent DC, and I agree he does have trouble finding the right tweak during a game. You just have to be careful translating a good OC/DC into a good head coach.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Players have to take responsiblity as well, Zimmer had the players in the right situation to make plays such as Roy Williams having a chance to make the int that bounced off his face mask which would have ended the game to claim that Zimmer has no clue is just not right coaches coach but players have to make the plays and fact is the players did not make the plays

Indeed. But it's more fun to pick on the coaching, as if that validates your football knowledge.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't see anything special with Zimmer. People here are saying that Parcells kept Zimmer because his damn good. I don't see it and its not true.

But has it dawn to these Zimmer supporters that if Zimmer was so good Parcells wouldn't be calling the plays?

If Zimmer was so good we would haven't give up over 400 points last year and over 30 TDs?

If Zimmer was so good why does he have a history of defenses with very few sacks, turnovers and INTs?

Why did we overhaul the defense to a 3-4 rather than sticking with the 4-3?

Why did we spend our entire draft on defensive players?

Why have we failed time and time again to stop anyone during crutchtime? Yes, we got an INT at the Chargers game. But still we allowed them to march down the field quite easily.

People say Zimmer is great but I'm not convinced. His blitz package is predictable and called at the wrong moments. He also is criticized for not adjusting during halftime.

Face it people Parcells is controlling a large portion of this defense now. Zimmer is on the ropes. He has a very talented group. And if he can't field a topnotch D like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots, Skins and Dolphins, then there is not reason to give him credit for anything.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't see anything special with Zimmer. People here are saying that Parcells kept Zimmer because his damn good. I don't see it and its not true.

But has it dawn to these Zimmer supporters that if Zimmer was so good Parcells wouldn't be calling the plays?

If Zimmer was so good we would haven't give up over 400 points last year and over 30 TDs?

If Zimmer was so good why does he have a history of defenses with very few sacks, turnovers and INTs?

Why did we overhaul the defense to a 3-4 rather than sticking with the 4-3?

Why did we spend our entire draft on defensive players?

Why have we failed time and time again to stop anyone during crutchtime? Yes, we got an INT at the Chargers game. But still we allowed them to march down the field quite easily.

People say Zimmer is great but I'm not convinced. His blitz package is predictable and called at the wrong moments. He also is criticized for not adjusting during halftime.

Face it people Parcells is controlling a large portion of this defense now. Zimmer is on the ropes. He has a very talented group. And if he can't field a topnotch D like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots, Skins and Dolphins, then there is not reason to give him credit for anything.

Many good points in that post.

 

[dbair1967]

keep blaming the players all you people want, but good coordinators dont have their #1 pick pass rush specialist dropping into coverage on a key play in week one (ended up being San Diego's 2nd TD to McCardell)...good coordinators dont continually make head scratching decisions like leave the other teams best (and at the time only) WR matched up against our oldest (and slowest) CB, not once, not twice but THREE times where he was beaten deep...good coordinators dont watch a team totally manhandle the other with blitzing and then call off the dogs with the game on the line...good coordinators dont find ways to continually have 4th qtr late game meltdowns

6+ yrs is enough...its the same crap every yr with this clod...we change players left and right...we add talent via the draft and free agency...we change schemes...we play teams that stink offensively or have poor quarterbacking...and STILL we see the same stuff...eventually light will dawn on marble head for some of you

and I guarantee you once Zimmer is FINALLY run here, he wont get another NFL coordinator job...mark it down

David

 

[Wolverine]

keep blaming the players all you people want, but good coordinators dont have their #1 pick pass rush specialist dropping into coverage on a key play in week one (ended up being San Diego's 2nd TD to McCardell)...good coordinators dont continually make head scratching decisions like leave the other teams best (and at the time only) WR matched up against our oldest (and slowest) CB, not once, not twice but THREE times where he was beaten deep...good coordinators dont watch a team totally manhandle the other with blitzing and then call off the dogs with the game on the line...good coordinators dont find ways to continually have 4th qtr late game meltdowns

6+ yrs is enough...its the same crap every yr with this clod...we change players left and right...we add talent via the draft and free agency...we change schemes...we play teams that stink offensively or have poor quarterbacking...and STILL we see the same stuff...eventually light will dawn on marble head for some of you

and I guarantee you once Zimmer is FINALLY run here, he wont get another NFL coordinator job...mark it down

David

Between what you and ConstantReboot said....


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[dbair1967]

we just gave up a nearly perfect passer rating to possibly the worst starter in football...

we have one sack and no turnovers against the least talented offense in football

a team AVERAGING 180 yds a game has well over 200 in ONE HALF

after both our TD's we allowed easy, almost uncontested scores by the opponent

again, what more do people have to see regarding Mike Zimmer

a team totally outmanned is just taking us to the woodshed, and this is TYPICAL of a MIKE ZIMMER COACHED DEFENSE

this is just a disgrace, and Mike Zimmer is a disgrace and hands down the worst coach this franchise has ever had...what a HORRIBLE game plan

David

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I thought this 3-4 was suppose to be a blitzing defense. We obvisously can't get there with a 4 man rush.........RAttay looks like Joe Montana back there.

I hate Zimmer.............

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Well said, I think Zimmer is made the scapegoat for a lot of our problems. Could he be a better defensive coordinator? SURE Is he the reason for all of our problems: I doubt it. Parcells is a very hands-on head coach. He doesn't just manage his assistants and watch the games like most head coaches. He actively calls plays himself particularly on the defensive side of the ball. So if you are going to criticize our defense, Parcells deserves some of the blame at least.

 

[big dog cowboy]

we all know who the anti-Zimmer crowd is. but regardless of Parcells' imput, mike zimmer has done an outstanding job for the most part in picking up a new scheme. he studied and copied the TB defense a few years back and gave us the #1 ranked defense, using subpar talent at that...
i think Zimmer has a real shot at replacing BP when he leaves, moreso than Payton. Payton was picked up after losing his job with the Giants for - surprise - poor playcalling at inopportune times. sound familiar? let's take a hard look at which of our coordinators is the weak link...

Defend your boy now.

GROZ lives.

 

[Rack]

we just gave up a nearly perfect passer rating to possibly the worst starter in football...

we have one sack and no turnovers against the least talented offense in football

a team AVERAGING 180 yds a game has well over 200 in ONE HALF

after both our TD's we allowed easy, almost uncontested scores by the opponent

again, what more do people have to see regarding Mike Zimmer

a team totally outmanned is just taking us to the woodshed, and this is TYPICAL of a MIKE ZIMMER COACHED DEFENSE

this is just a disgrace, and Mike Zimmer is a disgrace and hands down the worst coach this franchise has ever had...what a HORRIBLE game plan

David

I'm right there with you. Been saying it even the year we finished with the #1 D. I saw it then, and everyone (with half a brain) can see it now.

 

[dbair1967]

Well said, I think Zimmer is made the scapegoat for a lot of our problems. Could he be a better defensive coordinator? SURE Is he the reason for all of our problems: I doubt it. Parcells is a very hands-on head coach. He doesn't just manage his assistants and watch the games like most head coaches. He actively calls plays himself particularly on the defensive side of the ball. So if you are going to criticize our defense, Parcells deserves some of the blame at least.

scapegoat? geez man, how many more lousy game plans, por play calls and late game meltdowns do you need to see?

David

 

[billyrags]

No crap! It would be one thing to successfully call a coverage so that you don't beat deep, but since we can't execute that coverage... Why are we giving this scrub time to throw? Zero coverage worked 2 years ago and it worked in San Diego this year. I don't remember ever getting gashed like we are now because the QB never got the time to throw.

Reading between the lines in some articles I've read Zimmer is insecure and even more so now in a foriegn D, but I put some of this on Parcells too. There is a reason Philly and P-bugh has great Ds, Jim Johnson and Dick LeBeau! They dictate the game.

 

[Wolverine]

I am not sure what it is gonna take for some people to wake up and see that Mike Zimmer is the biggest joke in the NFL for a DC. The word sucks is not even strong nuff to use for him.