Tip your waiters!!!!

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Since we're on the subject, a quick question for y'all... I work in the hotel biz, and I wonder how many of you leave a small gratuity for the girl who cleans your room??

Though I work at a mid-upscale hotel, even there it appears that precious few do...

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just curious... until I went to work in the hotel biz it would never have occurred to me to do so, no on those rare occasions that I stay at a hotel, I try to leave anywhere from a coupla bucks, to as much as five if the room was well-tended...
 

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theogt;2810426 said:
I have all of my bills on auto-pay. It's nice not having to worry about whether I forgot to pay something.

I hear ya, but like I said, my way I never have to worry about credit card fraud, or somebody hacking into my banking info... if they do, they'll get peanuts for their efforts...

He who steals my identity, doesn't get much... :D
 

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I was curious about proper tipping etiquette. My philosophies seem to be in harmony with this. Therefore I am posting it since it agrees with me.

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http://www.essortment.com/all/propertippinge_rmuv.htm

Tipping is gesture of appreciation for services rendered. But figuring out how much to tip can be very complex. While standard tip amounts that may read on those handy tipping-guideline plastic cards may tell you to offer 10% for a specific service, good patronage may tell you to offer another amount.

Take for example, getting your hair cut. This is an ordinary experience that we all do on a fairly regular basis. If you're at a low budget chain haircutter, you may offer up only the standard 10%, but wait, will you be back next month? Next year? Yep, think again. That 10% may not be enough, especially if you want to be remembered by the people whom you frequent for this haircutting service. And if you're a regular patron at an upscale hair salon, you may have to shell out 20% frequently, as well as remembering that stylist at Christmas and other times of the year. Different tipping percentages are standard for a range of services. Read on for more hints on how to be gratuity savvy.

At a salon: The standard amount for salon gratuity is 15% to 20% depending on the extent of the services, the skill of the stylist and whether or not you intend to frequent the establishment and the stylist again. Given all these factors are positive, you'll want to offer a tip in the 20% range. Don't overlook the people who shampoo your hair and those who get you coffee and magazines--they get at least a dollar for their services.

At a restaurant:
Offer up 15% to 20% of your total bill. Keep in mind that the amount you tip reflects the total price before any coupons, gift certificates, etc. Just because you get a discount, does not mean that your server did not serve up the full order. If you are part of a party of more than 8 people, you should offer an amount closer to the 20% marker, if not more, depending on the needs of the guests in your party. If, for example, one of your guests insists on getting the salad dressing on the side, extra bread, more water and no avocado, then you definitely want to compensate the server who extended service to include these extras.

At a club or bar: Tip the bartender between 10% and 15% depending on the complication of your drink order. If you just order a beer in a bottle, there's not too much effort involved in providing the service, but if you order a mixed drink that takes time and includes a lot of ingredients, then offer up a more sizable tip, somewhere closer to the 15% range.

Transportation: Whether you hail a cab or take a limousine, you best offer a gratuity between 10% to 15% of the fare. If the drivers are particularly rude or unhelpful, give them the minimum. But if they are attentive to your travel needs and help you in any way beyond the norm, remember and thank them with a 15% or larger gratuity. If you use valet service at a hotel, restaurant or shopping area, offer the driver 10% for the service, but never give change. Another guideline is simply offering the attendant a back or two for the parking and retrieval of your car. And if you're traveling through an airport, and utilizing the aid of skycaps, offer a dollar per bag and up that amount if the bags are particularly heavy or large.

At a Hotel: It is standard to leave the maid a few bucks for tidying your room. If you have additional needs such as more towels, soap, an extra toothbrush, etc. thank the maid with an additional dollar or two. When checking in and out of a hotel, remember the bellhop with a gratuity of a dollar per bag, unless, once again, you have particularly large or heavy bags.

Overall, think before you tip. You don't want to regret the decision to be stingy at a later date. Like when you're hair's a mess and you really need the stylist to squeeze you in for an appointment, but you left such a small tip last time, that she won't make the time to make you look amazing this time.
 

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TheKey;2807494 said:
Also, the kitchen is to blame for most food mistakes.

Actually, that's 100% untrue. MOST mistakes ARE the server's fault.

1. They can put in the order wrong into the computer or if it's a written ticket they submit, they could have written something down wrong or hard to read.

2. They could have forgotten to put in the order in the first place.

3. Most mistakes with food are visable:

A. Condiments of any kind regardless of who brings out the food can be brought out by the server ahead of time.

B. If someone orders extra crispy bacon with their pancakes, then the bacon looks limp, not stiff, and you can even see some white fat on it, guess what? MY SERVER COULD HAVE SEEN THAT TOO AND TOLD THE COOKS IT WASN'T CORRECT, TO RECOOK IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO ME WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!

C. If I asked for bbq sauce on the side of my ribs and none on my ribs, if when you take the plate from the kitchen, my ribs have bbq sauce on them guess what? It's YOUR FAULT you BROUGHT me the ribs with bbq sauce on them. That's a DUH misake.

D. I have had this happen twice that I ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce with baby back ribs, then the servers brought out ribs without any bbq sauce. They didn't listen. I NEVER SAID I didn't want bbq sauce on the ribs and that I wanted it "on the side", I said I wanted "2 SIDES" of bbq sauce. If you think about it, that means I want a LOT of bbq sauce. If I said I wanted it on the side, then that's different, but I didn't. I also didn't say I wanted no bbq sauce on the ribs either. Ever since those 2 times, I end up telling my server I want bbq sauce on the ribs as well as 2 sides of bbq sauce, although, I shouldn't have to tell them what's already on the menu already. It comes with bbq sauce, so I shouldn't have to truly say that. It's pathetic that they ASSUMED I wanted my ribs delivered completely dry. One waitress at Bennigan's doubted herself before she handed me my plate when it was in her hand and asked if I wanted bbq sauce on the ribs. I was thinking, it would have been nice if she was confused to have asked me when she was getting ready to put in the order. What an IDIOT!!

E. Any wrong side dishes or entrees are the fault of the server if they bring out the food even if they put in the order right. You can tell the difference between a baked potato and mac n' cheese, yet, a waiter at Logan's Roadhouse was so stupid as to bring me mac n' cheese when I ordered a baked potato. I noticed it within 5 seconds of the food hitting my table. Like DUH a baked potato looks completey different from mac n' cheese.

F. Any MISSING side dishes, appetizers, condiments, or entrees ARE the server's fault if they bring out the food as well. Have had that happen a few times or so. Our servers aren't blind, so they can tell if something is missing or not.

G. I have seen a red steak delivered to someone before at Outback which means let's say the customer ordered their steak well done, that the server could have noticed the color difference.

H. If something looks burnt such as a piece of bread with the food and the person didn't order it burnt, my server is at fault for serving me that.

I. If my server forgets an item that an entree or appetizer comes with, that's their fault if they brought me my food.

J. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown." I have had their fries before cooked the way I like them before many of times before this time I am talking about. This stupid waitress decided to blame the kitchen staff for REALLY DARK BROWN FRIES as if she was blind or something and my husband even told me he could see that they were really dark. My husband may not agree with me on every subject of course, but with that, you could EASILY tell just by LOOKING that those fries were overdone and very dark. She said she put in the order correctly. I am thinking, SO? I wish I could have said "Are you blind?" That was HER FAULT she DECIDED TO SERVE ME THOSE FRIES THAT WEREN'T CORRECT. I noticed the mistake within 3 seconds of my food being placed in front of me.

My point is, the final outcome is what matters so if the same server that took the order also brings out the food, they can notice obvious mistakes, which most mistakes are that obvious. There are some that aren't such as raw food(if you cannot tell, which 99.9% of the time you cannot tell) or a wrong burritio filling(as long as the order was put in correctly) or a pickle under a bun that wasn't supposed to be there(as long as the order was put in correctly),

My main point is, most mistakes with food ARE the fault of the server that they decided not to compare the written order to the plate of food to have at least TRIED to notice a mistake. Most of the time, it's not that they did actually check over the food, but they never once did and just brought it out as if it was a fast food restaurant or something. If the server did try and missed something, I would think they would have the decency to apologize. MOST servers don't apologize no matter how nice you are about the mistake.

There are very little mistakes that are truly the kitchen staff's fault. Most mistakes that are the kitchen staff's fault if the order was put in correctly would be things like a steak cooked wrong or undercooked or overcooked items that you cannot tell just by simply looking at it or if another server runs the food that has obvious errors when the order was put in correctly(not counting condiments, because the original server can offer to bring those out ahead of time). If a person receives for example, raw chicken tenders, that couldn't possibly be the server's fault. Wrong burrito/chimichunga filling wouldn't be the server's fault as long as they put in the order correctly. Just anything the server cannot SEE without touching the food to know the mistake if they bring out the food and took the order(as long as they put in the order correctly of course) wouldn't be the server's fault.

Even if another server forgets my side dish, which has happened a couple of times at least, that mess up was a part of my service even if the original server put the order in right. It should still affect the tip, because the service as a whole wasn't good. Go tell your manager about that the particular server that made your tip go down, so it won't happen as often. If I tip well, you will never know anything went wrong or if I did tell you, that you think that I think it's not a big deal, when it is.

http://www.friedchillies.com/index.php/site/detail/the_outback_steakhouse/




If I ordered a steak "well done" or even "medium well", would you be so stupid as to bring me that steak in the picture if you took my order? Even if you weren't my server, if the ticket was correct "Well done" let's say, would you be so stupid as to BRING me that steak? A caring, smart server would tell the cooks it's wrong and to cook it longer.

http://www.bunrab.com/dailyfeed/dailyfeed_images_feb-07/df07_02-04_baconn.jpg

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You can tell just by LOOKING at that bacon since it's not covered up by anything that it's very crispy in this picture above. If the customer ordered their bacon very crispy, you can SEE it's correct to deliver it to the customer's table.

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In this picture above, you can tell the bacon isn't crispy and let's say the customer ordered the bacon crispy, would you be so stupid as to BRING it to the customer like that?

My point is, MOST food mistakes ARE the SERVER'S fault as to why they get to the customers.

So please quit LYING! Most mistakes with your food are the SERVER'S FAULT in general. It's very rare that a mistake is the kitchen staff's fault, because most mistakes my server can see without touching the food if they bring it out and a lot of times, the servers put in the order wrong or forget to put an order in. Also, condiments can ALWAYS be brought out ahead of time no matter what.
 

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Cajuncowboy;2807608 said:
If you forget to bring the steak sauce after I asked for it originally, I don't dock the tip. It's a mistake and I understand that. Lots of tables, lots of people you can't remember everything.

Sorry, I disagree. If a person forgets my ranch(don't order steak sauce), first off, they could have offered to bring it out WAYYY BEFORE, especially something like steak sauce in a bottle. Secondly, if they are that forgetful, they should WRITE down EVERY DETAIL and REREAD the written order. My server's job is to get my order right. If they are forgetful, you have to remember, it doesn't take no 25 minutes or so to get a bottle of steak sauce, give me a break!! A good, caring server offers to bring that out ahead of time so she or he WON'T forget as I have had quite a number of servers throughout the years VOLUNTARILY do that so they wouldn't forget. A few stated they didn't want to forget, so that's why they decided to bring the condiments I ordered out ahead of time. Most did ask permission first though, which I think they should, because some people may be bothered by having their condiments out ahead of time.

I don't dock the tip at all if a server is extra special nice and fixes it right away for something small forgotten, but it's a RARITY that they apologize for small things. I am not mean or anything, I am very nice, but still most of the time, the servers don't apologize.

What I am trying to say is, it's your server's job to get your order right as much as they possibly can, so if they are that forgetful, they need to offer to bring condiments out ahead of time. That way, they won't forget. Especially, if another server brings out the food, normally they are too lazy to read the ticket to even care about what they are bringing out, because it's not their tip on the line to care.
 

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TheKey;2808516 said:
Obviously an expensive steak doesn't take more work than spaghetti,

Actually, there is more work with a steak. Putting in the order, the server has more buttons to press. Also, with steaks, sometimes they get sent back not cooked enough. So, sorry, you are wrong!!
 

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Springs1;2811911 said:
So please quit LYING! Most mistakes with your food are the SERVER'S FAULT in general. It's very rare that a mistake is the kitchen staff's fault, because most mistakes my server can see without touching the food if they bring it out and a lot of times, the servers put in the order wrong or forget to put an order in. Also, condiments can ALWAYS be brought out ahead of time no matter what.

Can you say, "overreaction"?

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ScipioCowboy;2811932 said:
Can you say, "overreaction"?

:laugh2:

I am just TIRED of servers on forums and blogs as well as servers I have had in restaurants think it's not their fault for most mistakes, when it is. That's all. I am tired of the sappy story as we should feel sorry for them, when it's not the kitchen staff's fault most of the time for food mistakes. I wish most servers would care about what they bring you, but most don't, then wonder WHY the tip is crappy.
 

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Springs1;2811935 said:
I am just TIRED of servers on forums and blogs as well as servers I have had in restaurants think it's not their fault for most mistakes, when it is. That's all. I am tired of the sappy story as we should feel sorry for them, when it's not the kitchen staff's fault most of the time for food mistakes. I wish most servers would care about what they bring you, but most don't, then wonder WHY the tip is crappy.

Well, you certainly made the correct decision here.

Accusing him of lying and composing a 50 page retort were infinitely better options than trying to understand his perspective or, at the very least, allowing him to vent.

Sympathy and understanding are so overrated.
 

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Holy over reactions Batman.

:omg:

It's like I stumbled upon the Soup **** as a restaurant patron.

No soup for you!!!
 

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Springs1;2811935 said:
I am just TIRED of servers on forums and blogs as well as servers I have had in restaurants think it's not their fault for most mistakes, when it is. That's all. I am tired of the sappy story as we should feel sorry for them, when it's not the kitchen staff's fault most of the time for food mistakes. I wish most servers would care about what they bring you, but most don't, then wonder WHY the tip is crappy.

Wait tables for a day, let me know where it will be at. I am going to come in with you opinion and see how mad you get, then I will tip you .10 cents and see if your opinion has changed.

I had a table the other day leave me 10 bucks for a 40 ticket. I do not expect that from people, but they were very very nice, and people that treat me well make my job worthwhile.
 

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My wife is the high maintenance one when it comes to eating out. If a waitress comes and sits next to me while we are eating out I automatically know she won't get much of a tip. When the wife says well done, she means well done. IF she asks for scrambled eggs hard and brown, don't bring her runny eggs. IF she asks for butter with the bread, don't bring the hot bread and 10 minutes later bring the butter. And don't ever roll your eyes if she asks you to do something. Talk to both of us, not just me.

Me on the other hand could care less. If I order well done and it comes back medium well, I am ok with that. I will eat it just about any way it is delivered unless it is raw.

And don't get chatty. I don't want to get chatty. I am there to eat out with my wife or kids and am not interested in telling some stranger about my day or hearing about theres.

I always tip 20% unless I have to fight the wife who wants to tip less because the waitress sat down next to me. If the service is awful, I just call the manager over before I leave and let them know. Usually if that is the case, I will get a gift certificate to come back and try them again.

Mothers day, my step daughter took me and her mom out to Grill Smith. The service was horrible. They lost our reservation for the 2nd year in a row and the server really screwed up. The entre came out before the appetizer, I never got my salad, and the water glass stayed empty. At the end, the daughter paid the bill, I called the manager over complained and they gave use four $25 gift certificates. More than the cost of the meal. I don;t complain to the waiter about the service and I don't stiff them either. I complain to the manager and they usually make it right.

Edit, and I do tip the hop at Sonic a dollar even if they just bring me a coke.....
 

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FloridaRob;2811995 said:
My wife is the high maintenance one when it comes to eating out. If a waitress comes and sits next to me while we are eating out I automatically know she won't get much of a tip.

Do waitstaff still do that at restaurants?

That's really lame.
 

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Springs1;2811911 said:
J. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown."

I'm sorry but if you are ordering FRIES you don't get to call how they are done. They are FRENCH FRIES and you are at OUTBACK.

That's like saying "I want mashed potatoes, not entirely smooth, with 4 lumps of no larger than a dime"
 

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TheKey;2811994 said:
Wait tables for a day, let me know where it will be at. I am going to come in with you opinion and see how mad you get, then I will tip you .10 cents and see if your opinion has changed.

I had a table the other day leave me 10 bucks for a 40 ticket. I do not expect that from people, but they were very very nice, and people that treat me well make my job worthwhile.

Am little consideration can go a long way. If I demonstrate some interest in my waiter as a person, I generally get good service.
 

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TheKey;2811994 said:
Wait tables for a day, let me know where it will be at. I am going to come in with you opinion and see how mad you get, then I will tip you .10 cents and see if your opinion has changed.

It won't change the "FACTS" that it's mostly the server's fault for food mistakes. Can't change facts, now can you?

We have stiffed before, but those times, they were 100% DESERVED!! My opinion will NEVER change, because I know that if I messed up majorly, I deserve A BIG FAT ZERO! I know what I would deserve or wouldn't. If I would get a few small things wrong, I shouldn't get 15% even, more like 10%-12% range. Do you see where I am coming from? If you know you did poorly, you know what kind of tip you deserve. If you know you did things correctly and got things in a timely fashion, then those people may be just cheapskates or possibly there may be something that you did that bothered them personally such as being too chatty(which I have had servers do that before, made their tip go down due to delaying our order or whatever we asked for or just plain being able to eat.).

I had a table the other day leave me 10 bucks for a 40 ticket. I do not expect that from people, but they were very very nice, and people that treat me well make my job worthwhile.

My husband and I have left $12 on $42 and some cent check before once. We have left 25%-30% LOTS of times. The ones that deserve it get that. The ones that are lazy and don't check the food(as far as stuff that is in their control), get a bad tip. What goes around, comes around. Treat my food as if that were YOUR FOOD. Do you want your food wrong the first time around? How do YOU personally feel when you get your food wrong? Do you like it?

Also, my husband and I have had many overcharges during the years just to let you know that the entire outing can be wonderful, the BOOM, the bill isn't right, crushes the tip. WHY? They want our money, shouldn't they care about our money as if it were theirs? The only way I wouldn't take off much would be if I would see the server asking the manager to comp something, which NOT ONE of around 30 times literally since 2001 have the servers asked their manager to do that since THEY messed up, they should TRY at least to make-up for their mistake. MOST, no matter how nice you are, DON'T SAY THEY ARE SORRY!! Then, they wonder why they get no tip at all for overcharging us without an apology.

My point is, the tip is for everything. We have waited once 17 minutes to get rung up, now do you think we gave a tip? NO WAY!! That's just ridiculous holding us hostage like that. You have to remember, that the tip is NOT just to serve you food and drinks, but also TIMING as well is a HUGE part of it. It's one thing if someone needs the bathroom(we are all human here), but it's another when you do see your server around, but keep doing other things when you are waiting for something or to leave.

Just think about WHY you get 10 cents tips at times? Maybe you suck? Ever thought of that it might not be that those people were cheap? Now, I know there are plenty of cheap people out there. I just want you to see it from the customer's point of view. Are you EVER a customer to understand what it's like? Have you ever been overcharged in a restaurant before or received the completely wrong food or waited a very long time for your check, had servers FORGET to put in an order, etc.? If you have never experienced any of these, then you can't possibly understand how it feels when you are PAYING this person to CARE. A waiter once admitted forgetting to put in our appetizer order, but instead of zero, he received 16%. WHY? He profusely apologized twice and offered us a different appetizer for free that was on the menu(chips n' salsa) in the meantime. Not many people do that you know. MOST servers don't try to make-up for a major mistake. Most don't care. I am just curious if you ever made-up for a major mistake if you have made one by doing something like that such as asking the manager to comp something? If you haven't and have made some major mistakes(wrong food for example), NO WONDER why your tips are crappy. Just think about if that were YOU, how YOU'D feel. Do you want your server to not care? That waiter acted as if that were him. Most don't do that though, that's the sad part about it.
 

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AbeBeta;2812012 said:
I'm sorry but if you are ordering FRIES you don't get to call how they are done. They are FRENCH FRIES and you are at OUTBACK.

That's like saying "I want mashed potatoes, not entirely smooth, with 4 lumps of no larger than a dime"

You have NO CLUE of WHAT you are talking about. When I told the waitress that I had ordered them "lightly cooked", guess what? Another server brought them out YELLOW, NOT OVERDONE. I also have been to Outback MANY, MANY, MANY times during the YEARS, which I have gotten my fries lightly cooked, NOT overdone as they usually come. So shut up, because you have NO CLUE of WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
 
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